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[–] 125 points 9 months ago

Oof. Kudos to Notepad++ for being up front with the details.

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yikes... i guess i am confused though. What data was being sent through this channel? What did they get from people while it happened and why did it take 2 months past them stopping it to finally make a release? I love the app, but this sounds really bad.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    The software itself, and the devs, have little to nothing to do with this besides detecting the issue. Which was not obvious, since (it seems) the attack was targeted at specific IPs/hosts/places. It likely worked transparently without alteration for most users, probably including the devs themselves.

    It also would only affects updates through the built-in updater; if you disabled that, and/or installed through some package managers, you would not have been affected.

    A disturbing situation indeed. I assume some update regarding having adequately digitally signed updates were done (at least, I hope… I don't really use N++ anymore). But the reality is, some central infrastructure are vulnerable to people with a lot of resources, and actually plugging those holes requires a bit of involvement from the users, depending how far one would go. Even if everything's signed, you have to either know the signatory's public key beforehand or get a certificate that you trust. And that trust is derived from an authority you trust (either automatically through common CA lists, or because you manually added it to your system). And these authorities themselves can become a weak point when a state actor butts in, meaning the only good solution is double checking those certificates with the actual source, and actually blocking everything when they change, which is somewhat tedious… and so on and so on.

    Of course, some people do that; when security matters a LOT. But for most people, basic measures should be enough… usually.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    So what malware got shipped?

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    So should we at least uninstall our current Notepad++ and then download a new version? What else should we do, the post really doesn’t offer any advice.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I would just follow their advice, download the newest version from their site directly and use the new versions installer to update manually. I would probably do the same thing when the newest version with certificate and signature verification releases, after that I would assume you should be good to go. However its probably also worth scanning your system for malware just incase you updated during the time frame the attack was live.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I don't think you'll need to uninstall. If I'm reading the article correctly, it looks like they plugged the hole in their update process by switching hosting providers to one that's even more hardened and secure. So requests from the updater should go to the correct place now and not the state-sponsored hacker.

    Then in about a month, the next version of notepad++ that is released will also properly validate/verify any downloaded update files from the server.

    You could also just disable the checks for updates from within the application too. Or better yet, use something like winget to handle the updates instead of the built-in updater.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    The article literally states that should you download the latest version from their site directly and then use the installer to update manually. Who knows if those who were effected already could have something else compromising the update/install process. I wouldnt update from the built in updater until the new fix with certificate and signature verification is released.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (21 children)

    And work bosses saw a news story on this and banned the app outright :( can anyone suggest a replacement that is not paid and has features useful for searching lots of large logs files quickly for keywords?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Notepad++ installed from any package manager was perfectly fine and safe.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Well those would have included the update checker. So if you installed from a package manager, then let it update when prompted for the new version, you could still have been at risk.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I don't know how most package managers on windows work, but usually, auto updates are disabled by default for software that comes from one. For example, Firefox installed using APT on various linux distro will not auto-update out of it.

    I vaguely remember chocolatey packages not really doing that, causing mismatch between installed versions and its internal database, though, so maybe it wasn't that good of a solution.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    If I recall correctly this is the second time this has happened to N++. Fool me once… can’t get fooled again.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    I would like to know starting from wich version should i be concerned. I haven't updated in a while i think.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    What was the latest version before June 2025?

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Looks like 8.8.1 was May 2025 https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/v881-we-are-with-ukraine/

    8.8.2 was June 2025 and has a warning to ignore "false positives" of malware in the update.... Ouch. https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/8.8.2-available-in-1-week-without-certificate/

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    You might have version 8.8.1 or lower, however it might have tried to order update got the vulnerable package instead and then remained on the older version. I think even if you have the older version that's not a sign that you weren't compromised.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    Fair point. I was assuming the malicious payload would come along with an update on order to hide, but it's also possible that the malicious payload was delivered without any update to notepad++.

    I've not seen any IOCs published have you?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure what you mean. The article states there were remote hands on keyboard noticed in multiple companies. That's how the vulnerability was discovered.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    How would you know if you updated?

    My notepad++ is on 8.9.1 and I have no idea how it's on that ver (ninite I think is where I sourced it....maybe it's auto updating?)

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    Unfortunately i do work for a targeted company (we do a lot of secret squirrel stuff) in south East Asia.

    We get a lot of attacks.

    I was looking at the attack and malware they inject (there is a blog post link on the notepad++ notice) which pointed out how the attack worked. Apparently they run a service called bluetoothservice.exe. I didn't see anything like that or any the other stuff they said gets created.

    But then again finding malware isn't my bag so who knows.

    Pretty sure my updates came via nanite installer so I'm hoping I wasn't targeted.

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    [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    So that’s what the second plus includes….

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    This is why I don't update things that don't need updates. Untill I switched to Linux I had been using the same version for like a decade.

    Also I'd imagine the American government is doing the exact same shit. Or rather Israel is doing it in behalf of the American government

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  • [+] -31 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    china isn't a state they're a different country and do not belong to the united mexican states.

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    i don't speak german. sorry. :(

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    [–] 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Dude, I miss the days of using Notepad++ in windows.

    I mean, Kate is better, but it does not have that same I'm using it in highschool feeling that Notepad++ does.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I know that feeling. You'll never get it back because you grew up.

    That feeling you have now is because that era reminds you of simpler times, less worries, less cluttered world. Embrace what you do now, it will be the same feeling in 15 years.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Notepad++ works fine on Wine on Mac and Linux. After being away from it from awhile, I realized I don't need it anymore. I would often use the column edit mode and recorded macros, but I just bash script those now. I guess I'm a different person now?!?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    i knew i recognized the name somewhere earlier today when i learned about it, but i couldn't remember how until i saw this; i was forced to use it because of windows a while back.

    i remember liking it too.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Helix crew checking in, healthy and kicking

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    What kind of plugins are you eager to add?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I don't understand the helix approach.

    Let's build a new editor in rust (good), that is in the legacy of vim/nvim[/emacs] (good), that moves to resolve the backwards mechanics of the vim-syntax like meow (good) ... but let's build it all as built in features with no modularity ???

    How can you build a new terminal editor like vim/nvim/emacs without realizing that the core strength is that the best features are delivered in plugins. Why would you try to write all of the functionality yourself? Why would you think that a small team can handle all of the work? How can you not realize that external contributors in vim/emacs are the source of the most interesting functionality?

    I liked helix, almost as much as emacs w/ meow, but yiu xan't extend it, or write a plugin.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I suppose you can question the approach, but I personally can't argue against the results. I've been using it professionally and privately for almost two years and it rocks. I haven't had a need for plugins yet.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago

    Full on. China poisoning open source software. Lucky it got caught. Imagine how much of it is going on.

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  • [+] -14 points 9 months ago

    Notepad++ is ukraine shills, i'd guess they're like hotznplotzn (western propagandists that always post clearly fabricated lies and almost always target china)

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    [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    It used to be that being a ML (Malicious Linguist) in someones garage was the rage, now we got "Hackers with Chinese characteristics" smh

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I'm so confused.

    1. It doesn't say anything about "state-sponsored attackers" outside of the headline? What state? Why?
    2. Why is a Notepad app connecting to any servers or have credentials at all?
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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    It wasn't specifically notepad++ code, but a custom-written updater. That's why it was connecting to the internet.

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    Huh. I accept Notepad++ auto-updates regularly, looks like I'll need to do a more thorough reinstall to be on the safe side.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    If I got it right, someone took over the server that serves updates and switches that with their own payloads, for select users.

    Current app version trusts the server ssl, but since itself was compromised it just updated itself with bad code. Next app version will also sign the payloads, so assuming that this would prevent from future bogus updates.

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    [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It’s a bit unfortunate that this update designed to reassure has typos.

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