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[–] 88 points 9 months ago (9 children)

From a masto comment in the wild:

Jesse Ochoa's Facebook is batshit crazy. Thinks Trump is anointed by god and plays Qanon number games with the bible. And leftists/Obamas are literal demons, of course.

How tf did these guys pass any sort of employment screening, and well before Trump's current reign of terror?

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago*

    You don't think that makes them qualified for this administration?

    Also the video trump reposted where he kicks the tail light. It doesn't really day what he think it says. It actually gives credence that this could even be a first or second degree murder.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Did you see the Portland journalist who applied for ICE??

    Spoiler: There was no screening. And the background check was falsified.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I really dislike that story and the traction it has gained because she did pretty much no follow through. ICE is able to get away with a paper-thin layer of doubt by saying "well she wasn't actually hired" because she wasn't. Why did she not at least show up for orientation? Why didn't she use the opportunity to make a report on the training ICE receives? Why did the whole thing end after she was extended an offer?

    I am 100% not defending ICE, you'd have to be a real piece of shit to think any of what they're doing is acceptable. But... This is really not an uncommon tactic for HR at large orgs with tons of candidates for unskilled positions. Background checks take time, they cost money, they will often extend offers to nearly everyone and only bother checking once the person has shown up, because it's a waste of resources to do it for everyone. Do you know how many stories there are of people getting hired on at big companies only to be let go a few days after starting when their background check starts popping up red flags? And yes, ICE should not be run that way. But that's not the point, the point is this is a story put out by a journalist calling out a very common practice and people getting outraged because they don't realize it's a really common practice.

    It just feels... I don't know what the word is. Not fake. Not a distraction exactly. But... Like planned opposition? Like a story that's technically true enough that it pisses off the left, but filled with enough inaccuracies and hyperbole that the right can easily handwave the criticism away and use it as evidence that leftwing media is overreacting. Basically, intentionally focusing on the wrong story rather than the actual issue. A good example is the types of warrants being used by ICE. That seems to be a big focus of stories and the left latches on to them going "omg, they are arresting people and breaking down doors with the wrong type of warrant which makes it illegal!" Meanwhile the right goes "so what? It's still a warrant. Complaining about the wrong type just seems like a desperate attempt to claim a technicality." And all the while, the conversation about what ICE is actually, physically doing to people and the harm they cause gets lost in the noise. So both sides get evidence that they're correct.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    This is a government job, one where they give a gun to someone.

    Falsifying a background check for a job where you give someone a gun is horrifying, and whoever falsified that document should face criminal charges.

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    In the initial aftermath, Stephen Miller, a top Trump aide and a leading force behind the immigration enforcement operations, called Pretti “a would-be assassin.” But Miller changed tack later in the week when he said in a statement that CBP officers “may not have been following” protocol related to confronting bystanders.

    No honor amongst thieves.

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I bet he changed his tune because he saw their last names. It can’t be overstated how much Miller hates Hispanic people.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    People are complicated and layered and there can be more than one reason why something happens.

    But the way he "broke up" with his latin best friend in high school suggests… there's more than racism to his visceral hatred of latinos.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Miller is pretty well documented as being a racist since at least high school. There was an article recently where they interviewed a bunch of his classmates and they all concurred he’s been like this for a while.

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    [–] 53 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Sooooo...... 2 Hispanic men working for ICE killed a Caucasian man protesting the deportation of Hispanic people??? What kind of bazzarro world are we suffering through?

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I've been saying this for decades. We live in the dumbest timeline. We live in a timeline where during covid they shut down the gyms. In response to this, hundreds of people showed up outside the locked gym doors and protested the closure saying they need to workout everyday. They did this by doing pushups, and full cardio classes as a group on the sidewalk. When the governor pointed out that they don't need the gym to workout, and that they're working out right now, the big guy who had been talking to cameras got pissed off and started aggressively doing pullups on a small tree that was planted in the treelawn. The tree didn't support his weight, and he fell on his ass. Then he blamed the governor for that.

    We live in a timeline where a couple kids ate tidepods. That in itself was not a story. But the media reported it as if it was a new epidemic among teenagers. They said it causes permanent damage to your digestive tract, and can be lethal. Which in itself MADE it an epidemic among teenagers, and NOW thousands of them started eating tidepods because of the media stories.

    We live in a timeline where roughly half the country cares what genitals you have, which bathroom you use, and what pronouns you carry. As if a penis leaking pee is a different substance than a vagina leaking pee. As if ANY of this shit matters.

    We live in a timeline where white people for nearly a century had segregated EVERYTHING. As if a black person drinking from the same water fountain as a white person was in any way different than two white people drinking from the same fountain.

    We live in a timeline where we arrested Paul Rubins for going to a solo porn theater, which is designed specifically for masturbation, and he gets arrested for masturbation.

    We live in a timeline where in 1996 McDonalds released a burger in Cleveland, which was 6 quarter pounder patties, layered between 8 slices of cheese. I can't find anyone who remembers this happening, so I think it was a test market, and sales were as bad as you'd think. With our local news stations jokingly called it the McHeart Attack.

    Ok, I'm going a bit off the rails a bit towards the end, but my point is, everyday I wake up, remember I'm on earth, and my reaction is always the same. "Ugh, humans...."

    Because everything on this god damned planet is dumb as hell. People are dumb as hell. I don't understand why people are afraid of being abducted by aliens. Yeah, sure, they play with your butthole a bit, but then you get to go to a different non-earth planet. I'm 42. I get my butthole played with just going to the doctors, and afterwards I still have to live on earth!

    Look, I've lost track of the point I was making because I got angry thinking about how my mom wouldn't let 13 year old me eat the McHeart Attack. And now 42 year old me just wants to hang out in some corn fields, and chill with some aliens on another planet. And if they need to check my butthole for drugs or whatever, so be it.

    TAKE ME WITH YOU ALIEN FRIENDS!!!

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago*

    One where poor Hispanic immigrants are given unimaginable sums of money to execute people in the street.

    The point is to terrorize citizens into submission to Trump. He cares about power, above all else.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Are these guys even legal citizens themselves?

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Yep, they sound awfully Hispanic, it's sad to see these guys go after their own heritage.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    The biggest Trump supporter I know is my 52 year old Hispanic neighbor. He would love ICE to come through our neighborhood, but he's literally the person on our street they're most likely to take. Needless to say, his life is pretty miserable. Dude pretty much hates everyone, and talks shit about his wife all the time

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I don't think you should, but you could always send in an anonymous tip to ICE thereby calling out your neighbor on his bluff.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The thought has definitely crossed my mind lmao

    But no, I don't need to bring that energy to my neighborhood right now. Maybe I'll wait until right before the election so he can't vote

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Good call, as in no way they'd stop at this person alone for once, and for twice I don't think that with all his thickness in the head, you'd like to see him being beaten and shot by the brownshirts.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    fired on

    No, executed.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    You've gotta be shitting me

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  • Take down their names and make sure they go to state prison for a long time.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Here is a picture that is supposed to be them.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    And not a damned thing will be done about it either. Guaranteed.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Additional video has surfaced showing Pretti in another altercation with federal agents 11 days before he was killed. The video shows Pretti yelling at the agents, who get in an SUV and start to drive away. Pretti then kicks out the taillight of the vehicle and the agents, who wore protective masks, jump out and tackle him to the ground.

    Hmm, hadn't read that before

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago

    I have doubts

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    [–] 176 points 9 months ago* (25 children)

    Something that jumped out at me: These guys had worked for CBP for ~8 and ~12 years, respectively.

    These thugs, who wrestled an uninvolved bystander to the ground, then shot him in the back while he lay there helpless, were not panicky newbs. These were veteran CBP officers.

    Is this just what veteran CBP officers are like?

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago

    Is this just what veteran CBP officers are like?

    I read an article a few weeks ago, which pointed out that ICE does work internal to the US and is generally pretty restrained. CBP works at the border and is generally more aggressive, chasing down and subduing people who've crossed the border, usually in remote and hostile territory. They said that CBP could often be violent, and now those people were being released to use those same tactics against American cities.

    So yes, this is exactly what some CBP officers are like.

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Well, but a tail light was kicked out. Oh and some spitting happened. Obviously that requires being shot in the back multiple times by Reel Murican Heroez.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    That taillight video looks like ai

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Hey, so you're not the first person I've seen with this view. Just curious what about the taillight video indicates to you that it is AI and not real footage. Is there anything specific you can point to, or is it just a feeling you have? Honest question, no judgement.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    You're not going to kick a taillight and have it fall out like that unless it was already broken or loose also the wiring is stupidly long. The people in the video I saw also move fucky/ unnaturally unless the video I saw was sped up for a few frames here and there. It could be a doctored video where he really did kick the car, but I doubt the taillight would just fall out like that.

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    There are a couple possibilities:

    • These names could be fake.
    • The regime could've encouraged or tapped trusted long time agents to intentionally kill as part of their escalation plan against the american people.
    • These guys are just violence-lovers who have been waiting for a time they thought they could get away with murder.
    • Even veteran CBP officers are incompentent fucking newbs.
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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I dated a CBP officer once. They only get some basic training on how to use their weapon, and some simulations and that's it. Just some basic training to defend themselves.  Not this kind of stuff. 

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    I listened to a former director's (or something) take and he said likely they were trained for a different kind/style of enforcement, not the crowd control style that Trump shoved them into. I wanna say that's a weak explanation, but I don't know how often they were raiding before Trump.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    A quick read of wikipedia says ports of entry checking people and cargo, agriculture (pests, plants, animal disease), stopping weapons and narcotics smuggling, duties and taxes (import specialist, auditor, international trade specialist, and textile analyst). I'm sure there's a shit ton of paperwork. These are not all front line SWAT people, but I'm sure Trump pushed many out. Even for front line they used to plan out raids afaik for like 5 am when the target is asleep, they weren't out for what's now stirring shit up and let's call it crowd control.

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  • [+] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but if you're untrained, in a high pressure situation and someone yells "GUN" you might well panic.

    If you're untrained and you've stood in front of a car you might well panic when someone starts it moving, especially if you've done a similar idiotic thing with a car recently.

    Law enforcement needs training in order to not fuck up situations. If they don't have it, this is the inevitable consequence.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I don’t think this is true information. Why would the admin be honest about this? The gun discipline isn't of people who have practiced even a year with their weapon, for starters.

    They’re painting a picture instead.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago

    According to the article, the names were in government documents which they were able to view. There's no indication that the information was released or intended for release. It sounds more like someone with access leaked the information to them.

    It's possible that this is a lie, but I don't see how it helps DHS or the administration. I think it's a lot more likely that there's a complete lack of standards and accountability at CBP and ICE and that the problem has festered for decades. Being a 10 year veteran doesn't mean anything if they aren't enforcing standards and weeding out anyone who falls short.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Jesus and Raymundo? Really? Traitors

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's incredible how many ICE agents are Hispanic. But I guess Mexican cartels kill Mexicans all the time. Ukrainians and Russians are closely related. Israelis and Palestinians are mostly descendants of Abraham and Jacob. China and Taiwan are mostly ethnically Han Chinese. It's brothers hurting brothers all over the world. Very sad.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    There were many more than just 2 of these goons on the scene.

    Also: those don't sound like murican names to me. I wonder if these guys are students of history. Do they think Stephen Miller won't eventually get to the point of having these two deported, as well? We are only a year into this shit and they are already murdering white people that show any contrarian views of the plot for mass deportation. Where do they think all this stuff leads if it is followed to its insane conclusion?

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  • [+] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)
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    Yeah, Stephen Miller seems to be studiously ignoring virtually all of history on such things. You might want to jump on the leading edge and be the vanguard of something, but it seems that they get to the arresting and killing of Jews very early into the awfulness, whether it was something like the Russian revolution or the Nazi regime.

    Just why Stephen Miller apparently imagines following his awful campaign would end any different this time just boggles the mind. One could easily imagine a scenario where a truly awful turd like Bannon (or that fake "doctor" Gorka, etc.) is brought in after Stephen Miller is arrested on some fake charges involving not being sufficiently loyal enough to Taco or his offspring or to James Bowman...

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    [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The sad reality is they’ll probably end up making a lot of money off gofundme

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I am not implying that anything will happen to them anytime soon, and as you suggest they may even profit in the short term, but I do think they might end up with a shortened lifespan eventually, or if they're particularly lucky, just a significantly less free one.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago*

    Were these records unofficially leaked to ProPublica? That seems to be the implication.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    There is only one action from here.

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    [–] 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)
    • Border Patrol agent Jesus ‘Jesse’ Ochoa
    • Customs and Border Protection officer Raymundo Gutierrez

    Both from south Texas. Both long time employees, not newbies.

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  • Make sure the state charges them so they can't be pardoned. Start throwing these thugs in prison

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Ochoa and Gutierrez. Blood traitors

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    [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    I’m sensing some cognitive dissonance here

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    "Fired on"? Straight up murdered, you mean.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    On a Sunday.

    Naturally.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Something doesn't sound white.

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    Jesus Ochoa and Raymundo Gutierrez?! Are you fucking kidding me?!

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Wasn't there like, 10 dudes that shot him? And they only named the brown people.

    I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

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