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[–] 131 points 9 months ago (1 child)

Perfect is the enemy of good.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    And the enemy of progress. If everyone arrived for "good enough" we'd get further than people who refuse to try for fear of not achieving perfection. And this is problem comes not only from that person, but from the external pressure to be perfect. Fuck that shit. My old man used to get on me as a kid, "You only want to be good enough?" Yeah, that's fine. I get everything done that I need to, and I can go be good enough at some other shit too, and I think I make the world around me better with all of my good enough shit.

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  • [–] 183 points 9 months ago (61 children)

    But never announce it on social media. The purists will fight you.

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  • [–] 133 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    Vegans have the worst PR department ever

    I’ve never encountered a group I mostly agree with that I want to avoid more

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  • [–] 55 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    I've been a strict Vegan for over a decade now and even i tend to stay away from the crowd. It's a bit better offline, but depends on how much any person needs to boost their ego by signaling moral pureness.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (12 children)

    I'm a bacontarian like in the image, but I love sharing recipes with all folks. This works even for the hardcore vegans.

    Baconarian?

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    The word you are looking for is Murderer, obviously 😉

    But honestly, cutting out animal products helps animals, so thanks for that. Should it be all animal products? I'd say yes and live accordingly, but i can accept that other people arrive at other points.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    The word you are looking for is Murderer, obviously

    And yes, I know. I try to only eat suicidal animals, because I'm a good human!

    My initial goal with switching more and more things to vegan was to reduce my ecological footprint.

    For the animal products I still consume, I try to buy the fairest and highest quality available. If I'm responsible for their end, the life they had should at least be somewhat pleasant. But I guess they would prefer not to be eaten at all.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I'm just, in this moment, testing a new oat milk, and thus far I like it. It's a worthy contender against Oatly Barista

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know your options, but my work uses milk lab for speciality milks and the oat milk is good in my opinion. Well, good in coffee. I don't know how that translates to other uses.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    cutting out animal products helps animals

    no, it doesn't.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    no, it doesn't.

    this is stated without any supporting evidence, and can be dismissed without any evidence.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)
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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    make any excuse you want: being vegan hasn't stopped any animal from being killed

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I have friends that have saved several wild dogs and cats while on holiday, because of the compassion they developed for animals since becoming Vegans.

    So your totalitarian claim is wrong right away.

    If you look at Europe, eating less meat seems to impact the industry.

    According to preliminary data from the Agricultural Market Information Company (AMI), the trend reversed for the first time last year. Average per capita meat consumption across the EU in 2024 was 66 kg, 2 kg higher than the previous year.

    There are significant differences in consumption between individual countries: Per capita meat consumption is highest in Cyprus (88 kg), Ireland (87 kg), Portugal (85 kg), and Spain (85 kg). At 53 kg per capita, Germany is well below the EU average and is among the countries with the lowest meat consumption. In the long term, the AMI does not expect a further increase in per capita meat consumption in the EU due to changing eating habits.

    The AGI is hardly an activist organisation, so i'd wager that they are not biased here.

    Since eating habits in many countries that are slowly closing the gap to western countries are changing from vegetarian to more meat, the global data is obscured a lot.

    But the logic of vegetarians and vegans not buying meat and an ever rising number of plant based alternatives consumed even by people, who are only looking for a reduction in meat consumption, seems clear to me.

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  • I'm in the exact same boat - I'm grateful that the person who introduced me to it never forced it on me, they obviously would cook vegan meals for both of us when I'd visit his house but that was pretty much the only exposure they gave me.

    When I started looking more into it and taking it on, they were obviously very supportive and I intend to do just that in my own life - people know I'm vegan eventually just from seeing the meals I eat and eventually asking, but I don't mention it otherwise.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Doctor Who fans circa 15 years ago. I enjoyed the show for a while after the reboot. They were insufferable and I stopped watching at some point.

    You know, that's what they act like come to think of it. A toxic fandom. They've got something good that I occasionally enjoy. But I'm not as into as they are so I'm not welcome. And that's fine. With Doctor Who I just stopped. With veganism I'll make myself some cool ass meals and never share the recipes.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If there's one group I hate serving more as a waiter, it's vegans

    Every other dietary will put in their booking their dietary in order to allow the chefs time to prepare them something pre service (we usually run a chef's choice menu, set items)

    Even FODMAP, arguably one of the most confusing dietaries, isn't this bad at it. But vegans will almost always show up unannounced and expect to be fed when the only item on the menu that's normally vegan is the bloody bread

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I think this can be said about a lot of the groups focused on some ethical viewpoint. They come out with a lot of rage, which might be justified for their viewpoint but does more to generate opposition than support. One of those "you might be right but you're still an asshole" situations even for those who agree with them, but the type that provokes "you don't like that I do this, eh? Well I'm going to do it even more because I don't like you and I want to upset you" kind of responses in those who don't agree.

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  • [–] 40 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    The purists will hate you, and those that hate the purists will also hate you.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I'm a purist but I appreciate everyone doing their best. Everyone has different challenges and priorities and in the end a bacontarian is much better than eating meat all the time, according to me at least.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    For me, I'd love to see the monoculture farms go away. Reduced meat eating would go a long way to that end.

    It doesn't require completely abstaining but even a 10% reduction in the need for feed and other processed items would free up land that could be used in more sustainable ways.

    To that end, I'm also a fan of alternative farming methods such as vertical farms and promoting even small balcony boxes that may only produce pretty flowers or herbs.

    Every variety of greenery in as many places as possible would combat the poison we've pumped into the world over the past few centuries.

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  • [–] [S] 32 points 9 months ago (35 children)

    vegans as well as linux users are nowhere near as outspoken and petty as they are made out to be. personally i find jokes about that insufferable and ubiquitous. The ratio of jokes about this to actually people like this existing is like 100:1. my theory is, They get so much shit because them just existing reminds people of their own shortcommings, instead of applauding people doing the effort to pioneer a better world these people decide to make a snarky remark and continue being lazy and annoying with these jokes.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Vegan, is in fact, bacon/Vegan, or as I've recently taken to calling it, bacon plus Vegan. Vegan is not an diet unto itself, but rather another component of a fully functioning diet system made useful by the bacon, grease and vitals destroying components comprising a full obesity as defined by WHO.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    I know quite a few vegans in my life who are amazing, nonjudgmental people. On Lemmy, I've been called a "murderer" and a "carnist" for mentioning I'm reducing my meat consumption.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Doesn’t carnist just mean someone who eats meat?

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It does. It's just a word for people who follow the belief that it's normal, natural, and necessary to consume animals.

    Since those people are the invisible majority, it's often taken as an insult to have their 'normal' status get a label. Veganism is the belief that we shouldn't exploit and harm animals, carnism is the belief that we should.

    Which is hilarious in hindsight, because the reverse happens in other topics. Call someone in other circles 'normal' and they'll throw 15 label names at you for why they're not normal.

    Carnism would still technically cover "vegan plus (animal-based) bacon". That's kinda like saying you're an atheist but believe in (insert god here).

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Carnism would still technically cover "vegan plus (animal-based) bacon"

    And this all-or-nothing approach is precisely what I'm referring to. I consider myself pretty well-read, and the only time I've ever seen the word "carnist" used in the wild is when someone who's vegan is hurling it as an insult

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Sorry to break it to you, but if you believe that the Christian god exists yet don't think there was ever a guy named Jesus that rose from the dead after 3 days, you're still a theist even if you call it atheist.

    And if you think it's acceptable to kill pigs because you like their cooked bodies, you're still practicing carnism even if you call it veganism.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    no. it's a term made up by vegans to describe people who don't have their ideology. just like how Christians talk about sinners

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, most terms are made up. In this case the alternative is “non-vegan non-vegetarian” so I think making up a shorter term is worthwhile lol

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Yup. I posted the canadian food "plate" in one of the vegan communties as a sanier counterexample to the new US inverted meat pyramid. Canada fought its Ag industry tooth and nail to publish it. The pretty reasonable "protein" section is largly beans, nuts, fish and then red meat, in a way that mirrors actual health recommendations instead of industry demands.

    I specifically called it a better version that recommended eating less meat. Immediatly hit with "all meat is murder" and had my comment deleted within the hour.

    It doesnt change my personal views on veganism, but it did tell me not to interact with the community here, which is unfortunate. Id like to get more input and perspectives, and hell even recipe recommendations, but nah.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You went to a vegan community and posted propaganda advocating consumption of animals and you're surprised at the response?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago*

    I went to a vegan community, agreeded that the US "EAT ALL THE RED MEAT" food guideline was asinine, then offered a "eat much less meat" option with an explicit statement that "it isnt ideal from a vegan perspective, but better."

    Yes, I was surprised by the poor response. I'm offering support for reducing meat consumption, and was met by "good is not perfect so fuck you" zealotry. Its fine if they dont want non vegans to interact and learn more about veganism, but it would have been better to put that on the sidebar so those of us "interested, but not converted" stay out.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    most people are chill, but there are people who act like if you aren’t a vegan or a linux user, you are an evil and morally compromised person

    which is understandable coming from vegans, imo. bad tactic and all but yeah, animal consumption is pretty messed up.

    coming from linux evangelists it’s fucking laughable

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    All the linux "evangelists" I've seen online just shitpost with inside jokes, or talk about the benefits of FOSS, or explain what makes google and microsoft such evil companies, or post genuinely helpful content about software alternatives or advice for making the switch.

    I've never seen a rabid linux user. On the other hand, some vegans get so rabid that they actually chase people away from their cause. You're never going to get people to change a core aspect of their lives such as eating habits by insulting them and going on a tirade about why they're evil.

    For what it's worth, I've spent years as a vegetarian, and it took me years before that to gradually reduce my meat consumption to zero. I tried going vegan a few times but I would get grumpy, lethargic, and start craving things like cheese and eggs.

    There is no room in vegan spaces online to talk about the process of reducing consumption or the struggle associated with it. That's pretty detrimental to the goal of a 100% meat-free society.

    The only way we'll ever eliminate factory farming is through slow-incremental change. But the average vegan will never accept that. They're a classic example of "letting perfection be the enemy of progress."

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I speak from personal experience. I once tried talking about reducing meat consumption and got attacked. Never again.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I got banned from a vegan community for calling someone out for equating meat consumption with domestic violence.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    You think violence and violence aren't comparable?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Comparing eating meat with domestic violence is a laughable comparison and disingenuous at best. It's attitudes like that that make the average person unable to take vegans seriously.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Comparing eating meat with domestic violence is a laughable comparison

    You're right of course, but not in the way you intend. The scope and scale of violence in animal agriculture is far greater than in domestic violence cases.

    I'm perplexed and rather horrified that you are so unable to empathize with your fellow creatures that you think anyone who can is being disingenuous.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    idk the amount of times I've tried to explain my wife and kid's dietary restrictions that mean veganism is basically impossible for us in other places I get a lot of hate.

    The kids are autistic and have major taste and texture aversions, which maybe we could work around with the right things. My wife though had a malabsorptive bariatric surgery that means she needs to eat Low carb, High protein, and most importantly Low volume meals. When you need like 1.5 cups of beans to get the same protein as like 3oz of ground beef and only have a 6 ounce stomach volume you kinda have to go with the one that gives you the most protein for the least volume.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    I could imagine vegans being upset if you weren't vegan solely because your wife and kids can't be (like they are a shield or something, idk). Modern veganism should be about harm reduction. I know someone mentioned beans but I think seitan has more protein per punch (has more than steak according to a random google, *forgot about the carb limit tho, it looks like it wouldn't go over too much but depends on the source). I don't have much experience with your family's conditions. I need a bunch of fiber or else I get severely constipated, I was shocked at how little your wife gets. Sorry you got hate for your wife and kids. It sounds like your wife was (is?) in a bad spot, I hope her recovery gets better.

    *edit

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    The only problem with that is we live on a fixed budget as I don't work since they all need varying degrees of care around the clock. We live entirely off my wife's disability and whatever assistance programs we qualify for. I have neither the time, the energy, nor the money to prepare meals for myself entirely separate from their dietary restrictions.

    Each kid eats maybe a dozen things themselves, 20 for the oldest, and there's maybe 6 that overlap between them. By the time I've figured out what they're willing to eat and made it I almost zero desire to even look at food let alone prepare an entirely separate vegan meal with all of that no money I have to purchase vegan ingredients that again likely nobody but me would be able to eat.

    (Edit: I should add I'm not completely against the idea of changing my own diet. It's just that by the time I'm feeding myself I'm so done with the whole thing that my "diet" is whatever I can easily shove in my food hole without fussing too much about it)

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    That sounds really rough, sorry you are going through this. I am also on disability and welfare and have a caregiver partner (so my benefits meant for 1 person have to be stretched for 2), but I do not have children (let alone disabled children). I'm guessing your wife isn't able to eat the seitan after all? That sucks. Seitan is chewier than tofu or tempeh but you know your kids the best. I hope you hang in there. You are doing your best and it is appreciated. I've read about caregiver burnout before, the suffering the people around us go through is awful. Fuck the system we live in.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    I'm not sure we've never actually found seitan around to try it. Wholeheartedly agree about the caregiver burnout and the way the system works though. So much "invisible" care work it just expected to be done for free with zero support it's crazy.

    The wildest part about that to me was that Medicare would pay me to care for her... if we weren't married. But because we are I'm ineligible for that.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Omg yeah, the system does not want disabled people married!!! Once a disabled person marries, their disability income gets cut and chore services gets cut. What a load of bs, both partners need to have an income in this stupid economy just to be able to live and a partner will absolutely burnout without support. It's the main reason I can't marry. If I marry, I essentially lose all of my benefits (also how is a limit of $3k in total assets for a married couple fair?!). Disabled people are penalized for having any type of savings or assets like life insurance ffs. Even with chore services, insurance will makeup excuses like some hypothetical person is providing free support and thus they don't give as many hours. Getting paid is a mess because of the EVV crap to "prevent fraud" aka just more spyware embedded in your phone. I've actually heard of people getting legal divorces just to get around this crap. Also people like me who can't get married but are terrified of being found to be "holding out" on marriage which can cause benefits to be cut completely. I've read articles on people having children out of wedlock (not that there is anything wrong with that) simply because of the disability welfare system. IT SUCKS.

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  • omg right? My partner and I probably wouldn't have married either. At minimum not when we did, but we had a bit of a scare years ago with her late ex-spouse's family possibly thinking about fighting me for custody of the oldest of anything happened to her during the initial health scare that put her on disability to begin with from the pseudotumor.

    It's a long story but the short version is that basically no court out here wanted to touch letting me adopt our oldest because they wouldn't accept the proof that the other bio parent was deceased. So when she got put on disability and that overtook the survivor benefits we decided the best thing for us was to marry so we could guarantee a bit better that he stayed with me if anything happened to her.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    So I mean this from a place of curiosity not trying to get you all to change anything, I'm not even vegetarian. Is there a particular reason your wife couldn't do several smaller meals over the day? Like do their organs not allow something like that anymore or more like it would be ridiculous to carry around a bag of beans to snack on over the course of 4 hours?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    I'm going to preface this by saying that I'm going to be adding some addendums/emphasis and providing some additional context for some things about her condition in here. I do not mean any of this to say that I believe that you personally are or plan on discounting her condition. It is meant only for emphasis because the particular bariatric surgery she had, the Duodenal Switch is significantly more involved than most other surgeries. A lot of people end up having to have the surgery partially reversed because they can't keep up with the vitamin supplementation and end up hospitalized and dying of malnutrition.

    The malabsorption means that she already has to have many small meals through the day. Then each of those meals needs to hit certain macros while being under that volume.

    So like to give an example. She needs at least 200g of protein in a day while staying as far under 50g of carbs as possible (fiber included) to not be utterly miserable. That's not "the doctor told me to get this much" they told her to go for 150g. That's the levels she's found over the years result in her not being in significant gastrointestinal distress and actually having decent energy levels along with the roughly 50 vitamin supplements she HAS TO TAKE TO NOT DIE OF MALNUTRITION because and I cannot stress this enough the malabsorption means she CANNOT properly absorb most of these vitamins from food. They need to be very specific formulations at specific times of day to keep her levels up. Like 125,000IU+ PER DAY of Vitamin A (This is WILL KILL YOU levels for a normal person BTW) to still be partially night blind from deficiency (yes she has seen a doctor about it to make sure it's nothing else)

    That 1.5 cups of black beans is around 22.5g of protein and 60g of carbs. So that's 2 entire "meals" of nothing but beans to have a little over 1/10th of the protein she needs in a day and 20% over the entire day's limit for carbs.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    One might think "Why get this surgery then?" if it's like this. Which is a fair question. For my wife in particular she had a condition called pseudotumor cerebri where she was producing too much cerebrospinal fluid and not getting rid of it fast enough so it was compressing her brain and optic nerve much like a brain tumor (hence why it is called pseudo tumor). She was significantly overweight at the time and had this issue before. It resolved temporarily when she lost weight but due to heavy food insecurity and other trauma when she was younger she struggled to keep the weight off. So she had 2 options: Aggressive weight loss from bariatric surgery, or getting a shunt implanted in her skull to drain the fluid. She chose the bariatric surgery that gave her the best chance of not still needing the shunt, which was the DS. Since having severe OCD she knew for a fact she could keep up with the vitamin supplementation and use managing the vitamins as an adaptive outlet for the OCD.

    Why specific formulations and times for vitamins? A couple reasons, one is ease of absorption. Certain formulations have to be basically digested a little first to get properly absorbed which because of the surgery her body just doesn't properly do. This is basically why she needs the supplements to begin with. Since her body only properly digests part of what she eats she doesn't actually absorb a bunch of the nutrients from it and needs to supplement the vitamins her body can't absorb well from food. The second is that certain vitamins interfere with the absorption of others, calcium inhibiting iron absorption for example.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    They are two very different things to discuss. First, eating is vital, computing with computers is not. People eat to survive and 44% of the people in the world live in poverty, so they probably don't get to choose what to eat to survive. This statistic takes China into account, outside of China, the fight against poverty is way more ineffective, to put it mildly. The USA has been okay with an increasing amount of poor people, in the range of 10-15% by more than half a century. There are countries with >80% of people living in poverty in Africa.

    But even if you can choose, my opinion is that achieving a balanced diet is the goal, not being a vegan.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    This also applies to renewable energy btw. Some people seem to think we can't start with the energy transition before we've figured it all out, including storage for the winter and at night.

    Let's just build solar panels and wind mills and see how far we can go with that :D much more productive that way.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah, the "only nuclear will solve the problems" people really just seem to be working to keep fossil fuels at this point.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    And so do the “avoid nuclear at all costs” people

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Oh, absolutely. While there's quite a few things to worry about with nuclear, going to coal instead (which is what happened in many places) is a far more destructive thing.

    Solar and batteries are here today. They can be installed today. The only thing missing is the political will to make the fake valuations of the fossil fuel companies, which ignore externalities, diminish.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Id love if world could just ditch the fossil fuels and move to renewals, but it often seems people does not account how hard it is to make nation wide electric grid from wind and solar.

    I live in a part of the world where during the winter when the electricity demand is on its highest, there are only few hours of sunlight per day at best.

    And wind is wind. There is sometimes too much of it so the windmills are not safe to run and sometimes there are too little to generate enough electricity.

    Even if there would be enough wind and solafarms to in theory to run the whole country, we have no real means to tranfer the electricity for long distances and we dont have any way to store the generated electricity long term, so it could be used at the times when farms are not producing enough.

    Oil and coal on the other hand are easy to stockpile and transfer if needed and the plants can be build almost anywhere. Also the tech is simple enough, so replacement parts are fairly easy to make, so those can be repaired and jury rigged even if there would be situation where trade would halt. I get why some countries want to make sure they have security of electricity supply.

    Hopefully the new generations of solid state batteries will live to the hype and help with the transfer and long term storage problems renevables currently have.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I actually work with batteries in the EU. Which is exactly what solves the problems you're putting here. Solar and wind can both work with large and small batteries, both in front and behind the meter.

    Battery tech is already at the point where it can solve the problem. Yes, it will continue to get cheaper and better, and that's a good thing - but there's nothing prevent adoption right now.

    we have no real means to tranfer the electricity for long distances

    What do you mean? Electric grids and high voltage transmission have been around for over a century.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    My knowledge is not really on date but as far as i know we still have no battery system good enough for long term electricity storing and what we are using right now are used for short term energy peaks, not storing the energy in summer so we could use it on the winter.

    Yes we have HVDC, but it has its problems when electricity is coming from multiple smaller plants, especially when there production and demand is not even. Basically i mean that if there is side of a country that is not producing anything and if there is a other side that is overproducing, the current system we have, is not able to smooth that out. Granted it is a problem that could be solved with tossing money and engineers at it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    And electric vehicles. Series hybrids with 30-50 miles of range of battery and a gas engine for further (Prius Prime, Volt, Clarity) were disliked by gas car people (usually being ignorant about how it works at all, and all made up EV problems), and also disliked by EV purists (not a real EV, hauling around a whole engine, still uses gas, etc)

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    The volt was awesome for its time (aka. Opel Ampera in the EU). Even with quite a lot of highway driving we got 1L/100km (~235mpg) with it over its lifetime around 2014. That's with charging at home of course, but still, it's at minimum a fivefold reduction in fuel consumption. And that with a 15kWh battery pack, which is a lot smaller than full EVs, making it less resource intensive.

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    I eat more veggies and less meat than ever

    That's down to iterative changes.

    If the only option was a hard-line cold-turkey (lol) approach, I'd very likely have never changed a thing

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    i always wanted to quit smoking, but couldn't drop the first cigarette with my morning coffee. it took me way too long to make peace with that single cigarette, turns out i can easily forgoe the other 19 I've been smoking every day

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Last year I nearly quit smoking weed, except when I'm playing Dungeons & Dragons.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Anything worth doing is worth doing poorly

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I am seeing more and more folks go veg simply because the price, and that's great! Build a culture of veg meals and normalize the epic curries, chillis, soups, stews, spreads, and tofu / seitan/mushroom dishes

    I really like Derek Sarno's YouTube channel for this reason. I feel very welcome watching his content because he doesn't browbeat folks who aren't fully vegan, he just presents an epic mountain of some of the most mouth watering vegan food I've ever seen.

    Instead of purity tests to keep folks out, we need more people like Derek who hold the door open for everyone, so they can smell the amazing food cooking inside.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Can't upvite this enough. I'm not really vegetarian, but I love the fact that it is gaining traction, since it's just so much better food. If there is a vegan option of anything, I'll go for that.

    The best burger I've ever eaten had a giant mushroom as the main thing in it, sterotypically served by a trans girl at a street food vendor in the gay quarter of Amsterdam.

    It literally ruined burgers for me, I'm still chasing that high. I think if you want to be a vegan activist, learn to cook well and open a restaurant. That's how they got me.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Unless someone is a on a serious carnivore diet, then we probably eat "vegan" more than we realize.

    I had an English muffin with some homemade wild raspberry jam and a banana with my tea this morning. I have already planned an Indian lentil curry and rice for supper tonight. I don't know what I'm having for dinner today, but I could have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich I suppose.

    A whole day without meat. Not that I actually considered doing that because "vegan." But because that's what sounds good to eat today. Tomorrow, maybe some smoked oyster stuffed venison loin chops for supper perhaps or some eggs and bacon for breakfast.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Disagree, theirs so many people who think a meal isn’t a meal without meat. “Im eating the meal for the meat”. Onetime at a restaurant I was considering getting this plantain dish and my friends looked at me like I’m crazy for getting an entree without meat ???

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    They might think that, but they are still eating meals without meat and not even thinking about it. Maybe it's not enough vegan enough to make you happy, but it IS something more than nothing.

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