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[–] 29 points 9 months ago (14 children)

I know quite a few vegans in my life who are amazing, nonjudgmental people. On Lemmy, I've been called a "murderer" and a "carnist" for mentioning I'm reducing my meat consumption.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Doesn’t carnist just mean someone who eats meat?

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It does. It's just a word for people who follow the belief that it's normal, natural, and necessary to consume animals.

    Since those people are the invisible majority, it's often taken as an insult to have their 'normal' status get a label. Veganism is the belief that we shouldn't exploit and harm animals, carnism is the belief that we should.

    Which is hilarious in hindsight, because the reverse happens in other topics. Call someone in other circles 'normal' and they'll throw 15 label names at you for why they're not normal.

    Carnism would still technically cover "vegan plus (animal-based) bacon". That's kinda like saying you're an atheist but believe in (insert god here).

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Carnism would still technically cover "vegan plus (animal-based) bacon"

    And this all-or-nothing approach is precisely what I'm referring to. I consider myself pretty well-read, and the only time I've ever seen the word "carnist" used in the wild is when someone who's vegan is hurling it as an insult

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Sorry to break it to you, but if you believe that the Christian god exists yet don't think there was ever a guy named Jesus that rose from the dead after 3 days, you're still a theist even if you call it atheist.

    And if you think it's acceptable to kill pigs because you like their cooked bodies, you're still practicing carnism even if you call it veganism.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    no. it's a term made up by vegans to describe people who don't have their ideology. just like how Christians talk about sinners

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, most terms are made up. In this case the alternative is “non-vegan non-vegetarian” so I think making up a shorter term is worthwhile lol

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Yup. I posted the canadian food "plate" in one of the vegan communties as a sanier counterexample to the new US inverted meat pyramid. Canada fought its Ag industry tooth and nail to publish it. The pretty reasonable "protein" section is largly beans, nuts, fish and then red meat, in a way that mirrors actual health recommendations instead of industry demands.

    I specifically called it a better version that recommended eating less meat. Immediatly hit with "all meat is murder" and had my comment deleted within the hour.

    It doesnt change my personal views on veganism, but it did tell me not to interact with the community here, which is unfortunate. Id like to get more input and perspectives, and hell even recipe recommendations, but nah.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You went to a vegan community and posted propaganda advocating consumption of animals and you're surprised at the response?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago*

    I went to a vegan community, agreeded that the US "EAT ALL THE RED MEAT" food guideline was asinine, then offered a "eat much less meat" option with an explicit statement that "it isnt ideal from a vegan perspective, but better."

    Yes, I was surprised by the poor response. I'm offering support for reducing meat consumption, and was met by "good is not perfect so fuck you" zealotry. Its fine if they dont want non vegans to interact and learn more about veganism, but it would have been better to put that on the sidebar so those of us "interested, but not converted" stay out.

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