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[–] 226 points 9 months ago* (31 children)

It's about time the electronics industry as a whole realises that innovation for the sake of innovation is rarely a good thing

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  • [–] 80 points 9 months ago* (16 children)

    It's not even innovation, per say. It's just Big Number Go Up.

    Nobody seems to want to make a TV that makes watching TV more pleasant. They just want to turn these things into giant bespoke advertising billboards in your living room.

    Show me the TV manufacturer who includes an onboard ad blocker. That's some fucking innovation.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    The galaxy brain move is buying an old dumb tv for a pittance and use it for watching Jellyfin/Plex/stream from a browser with uBlock Origin/DNS filtering – all running on some relative's "obsolete" smart toaster from last year that they happily gift you because "the new version's bagel mode IS LIT – pun intended – but it needs the 128 gb DDR7 ram of the new model, can barely toast on the old one any more".

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    You can't really find a dumb TV anymore. I might see how big of a monkey I can find when I'm ready to upgrade, but I doubt I'll find one big enough and cheap enough.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I hooked my computer up to the HDMI and have used that as my primary interface.

    It's not perfect, but it screens out 95% of bullshit

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    That doesn’t, unless you’ve blocked your TV from network access, because they use ACR - Automated Content Recognition - that literally scans what is being displayed over your hdmi port and then sells it off to advertisers.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I think you missed the part where the TV doesn't have access to the network.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Just don't give the TV your wifi password, boom dumb TV.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    That won't save you anymore. My boss bought a smallish smart TV in contravention of my explicit instructions for use as a CCTV monitor because it was "cheap." It nags you on power up with a popup whining about not being able to access the internet, and if you don't feed it your Wifi password it will subsequently display that same popup every 30 minutes or so requiring you to dismiss it again. And again. And again. Apparently the play is to just annoy you into caving and letting it access your network.

    Instead I packed it up and returned it. Fuck that.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    If you are at a business you should have an access point or router that is capable of blocking specific devices from WAN access. But I would create a new segmented network, block that network from WAN access entirely, put it on its own VLAN, and then connect the TV to that network.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I'd assume it nags whenever it can't connect to the home server, and just says "network".

    So when they go out of business any remaining units will nag forever.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    You can use your router or access point tools to check what address it’s trying to resolve and then set up a redirect to a device that can respond with a fake response.

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  • [–] 151 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Look, we can’t have TVs that last 15 years anymore!

    We need to keep people buying every year or two. Otherwise line not go up! Don’t you understand that this is about protecting The Economy?!

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  • [–] 62 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Boomers economic policy is like if Issac Newton saw an apple falling from a tree, and came to the conclusion it would always accelerate at the same speed no matter what, even though the ground with the entire ass planet behind it is right fucking there.

    Numbers can not constantly go up, it's just that's what was happening their whole lives and they can't accept that their childhoods was a blip and not how things always were and always will be.

    They just can't wrap their heads around it. They have such shit tier empathy they can't comprehend that they're an exception.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    A large number of the problems we currently face and will in the future come down to boomers being worse than their predecessors at grasping, understanding, and accepting their own impermanence and unimportance on the grand stage of reality.

    Most of them need to have a series of existential crises or maybe read some fucking Satre so they can stop with the Me generation bullshit. It’s wild that the first generation to do LSD in mass is somehow the one that needs to experience ego death the most

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago*

    It’s wild that the first generation to do LSD in mass

    I want to say hippies were less than 1% of that generation, but for some reason I think it was recorded as 2-3% which would be a gross over-estimate.

    But for every hippie you think of sticking daisies in rifles, there was 100 spitting on Black kids for going to the school they were legally required to go to.

    It would be like if in 2080 they think we're all catboys with blue hair and 37 facial piercings.

    Sure, those people exist as a fringe demographic, but they're not the norm.

    Bmost hippies had more issues with peers their own age than their parents age, that part of the folk tale gets left out tho, because the people who want us to think they were hippies and "grew out of it" were the ones beating hippies for being different.

    All they were ever trying to do was lie to younger generations in the hopes they'd confirm to decades old social norms. Like, it's weird how many people still don't understand the boomers just lie about shit instinctively. They grew up in a world filled with lead and are literally incapable of caring about logical inconsistencies. They want younger generations to think they were cool, so they just fucking lied about what they were like as a generation.

    If you ever run into a real deal old hippie some day, ask them what the majority of people their age was like back then.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    To be fair Boomers didn't create this economic policy. Their parents elected Nixon, who broke the Bretton Woods agreement "temporarily", and then we adopted Keynesian macroeconomic policy afterwards to justify it.

    Inb4 someone regurgitates a defense of this "boomer" policy and proves that it's not just them and never was. It's always been the rich and their loyal servants.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    FireWire got killed too soon. 

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Wha?

    AFAIK FireWire is part of the Thunderbolt protocol, you can get FireWire 800 to Thunderbolt adapters. Apple even used to sell one.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Apple killed Firewire 4 years before Lightning came along.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    ??? My 2012 MacBook Pro had FireWire, that’s the year Lightning came out…

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  • [–] 101 points 9 months ago* (6 children)
  • [–] 94 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    I want a dumb tv with the price and and specs of a smart tv. Less is more

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You would likely have to pay more since they aren't getting to sell your information.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    *you would have to pay more because major companies know they can charge more. There isn’t a limited amount of profit a company wants to mae, and then they pick a price from that, they price it as high as the market will bear.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What you’re looking for are commercial screens. They’re a bit more expensive for a comparable panel, as they are intended for 24/7 use- but are about as dumb as they get nowadays.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    A bit more expensive? I was able to get a smart tv for like 800 bucks. The same equivalent dumb tv would have been a few thousand dollars and Best Buy said they would only sell it to business accounts which was infuriating to read.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    This isn't a peasant TV. And it doesn't even have any tracking, I am not sure a pleb can even legally own these. Sorry, but you have to be a wealthy person who watches CP to have it in your home.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    My LG C3 not connected to internet and using an HTPC and Nvidia shield is working great so far.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I don't know why more people don't do this. Don't connect the TV to the Internet. Ever. Do updates using a flash drive if you must and connect whatever flavor streaming box you like. The TVs and their dumb os get slow and shitty anyway so why fuck around with it? Lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Ppl spend so much time fucking around with Android slop boxes and I'm just like...how is using a full fat linux desktop PC under the TV with a wireless trackpad keyboard clunky? Set display scale to 200%, install Stremio, and now you can game and shitpost on your couch too as a bonus.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    It's mostly because all the streaming services won't give you higher res and HDR unless you're using one of the boxes. You don't need the slop tho. Nvidia shield imo has been solid for over a decade now. I'm over fire TV and those cheap shitty no name boxes are even worse. I have no idea why people fuck with those. Even a fire TV is better than that lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    I just recently found out about Thomson's "Easy TVs" LINK

    Actual dumb TVs, with a good range on inputs and at a cheap price, they seem to be aimed at hotels and such.

    The downside is that they only do 1080p at 40" or 43" but the appeal of getting one before they disappear from the market is strong (also I don't have any 4k media in my library so my worry is more about future proofing than any current necessity)

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  • [–] 169 points 9 months ago (23 children)

    There’s no 8k content, and only recently do standard connectors support 8k at high refresh rates. 

    There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume. 

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  • [–] 57 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume.

    Honestly a little surprised the IMAX guys didn't start churning out 4k+ content given that they've been in the business forever.

    But I guess "IMAX in your living room" isn't as sexy when the screen is 60" rather than 60'

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  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    You don’t even need IMAX for 4K; ordinary 35mm film can normal scan to a nice 4K video. Films shot on the 65mm IMAX cameras would probably make good 8K content, but most of that was educational films, not what most people apparently want to watch all the time.

    The digital IMAX projections were actually a step backwards in resolution.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Films shot on the 65mm IMAX cameras would probably make good 8K content, but most of that was educational films, not what most people apparently want to watch all the time.

    Sure. But the cameras exist. You can use them for other stuff.

    Hateful Eight was filmed in 70mm, and while it wasn't Tarantino's best work it certainly looked nice.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume

    I feel like that's not true. But you've gotta try. If you're streaming it, chances are it's not really any better. 4K Bluray (or rips of them...) though? Yeah it's good. And since film actually has 8K+ resolution old movies can be rescanned into high resolution if the original film exists.

    Supposedly Sony Pictures Core is one streaming service that can push nearly 4K Bluray bitrates... but you've gotta have really good internet. Like pulling 50-80GB in the span of a movie runtime.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    You're probably aware of this since you mentioned bitrate, but a lot of 4K streaming services use bitrates that are too low to capture much more detail at 4K compared to a lower resolution. A lot of games will recommend/effectively require upscaling (DLSS/FSR/XeSS) to achieve good performance at 4K. All of this is still maybe better than 1440p, but it shows 4K is still kind of hard to make full use of.

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  • [+] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)
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    For video, bitrate is definitely king. 4K high bitrate just gets insanely large. I opt for 1080p bluray quality when available over 4K usually. I looked into AI upscaling for video recently and it can be pretty good, but it's a technology that changes fast so I'd rather store the original resolution and upscale in real time later (if at all).

    For games, I find even FSR2 upscaling from 1440p to 2160p is excellent as long as it's implemented properly (i.e. scaling the 3D world and not the UI), and FSR3/4 even better.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Not true on paper but true in practice. Most people don't buy/use Blurays (or any other physical media) anymore to the point that retailers aren't even bothering to stock them on the shelves these days. Their days are certainly numbered and then all we'll be left with is low quality 4k streaming.

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  • [+] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    People really need to understand a lot of what "smart" TVs do is upscale the "4k" signal to something actually resembling real 4k.

    Like how some 4k torrents are 3GB, and then a 1080p of the same movie is 20gb.

    It's "worse" resolution, but it looks miles better because it's upscaling real 1080 to 4k instead of taking existing shitty 4k and trying to make it look better without just juicing the resolution.

    So we don't need 8k.content for 8k.tvs to be an incentive. We need real 4k media, then 8ks TV would show a real improvement.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, you’re talking about bitrate. A lot of the 4k content is encoded using more efficient codecs, but if it’s sourced from the streaming services the bitrate is so abysmal it’s usually a tossup between the 1080p or 4k stream. At least the 4k usually has hdr these days which is appreciable.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume.

    Ironically there actually is if you bother pirating content because that's the only crowd that will share full 4k Dolby Vision + Dolby Atmos/DTS-X BluRay rips.

    Aside from that though, even 4k gaming is a struggle because GPU vendors went into the deep end of frame generation, which also coincidentally is the same mistake lots of TV OEMs already made.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There is a lot 4K to consume now. That was the reality 5 years ago (even 4K exists more than 10). I would say 4K is becoming slowly the new FHD, but very very slowly.

    The problem is that there is a lot low quality 4K, because of bandwidth, size etc.

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