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[–] 113 points 9 months ago* (17 children)

I eat white button mushrooms raw, after a quick rinse of the dirt. No problem, as long as I get them from the store, properly cultivated by the shroom experts.

The image posted looks sorta similar, but is not a white button mushroom.

Thanks Google, AI has no fucking business telling anyone about mushrooms.

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  • [–] 99 points 9 months ago* (12 children)

    The image posted looks sorta similar, but is not a white button mushroom.

    This mushroom is almost certainly the reason why it's drilled in so hard that you shouldn't eat random mushrooms in the woods unless you are absolutely sure it's safe.

    Destroying Angel mushrooms look like puffball mushrooms when they're initially fruiting, and then grow to look like button mushrooms before they reach full maturity. If you eat one of these you'll get severe abdominal pain and vomit for around 24 hours and then show signs of recovery. However, by that point it's almost certainly too late, and organ failure and death is soon to follow

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    So in a fucked up way, those TikTok kids swallowing Tide pods a few years ago are smarter than Gemini recommending “yummy button mushrooms”?

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    No. They did less damage to themselves, but they were eating something that they knew was very obviously not food for a social media "challenge". Trusting the wrong source and attempting to eat food is very slightly smarter.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    They mostly weren't eating them, just making staged videos of themselves doing something dumb the way teenagers have ever since they got access to cameras. The problem is that biting into one and spitting it out again can be enough to kill you as laundry detergent can corrode your tongue and throat in seconds and it's very easy to inhale liquid throat. The media reported it as teens eating tide pods, which made staging fake eating tide pod videos using a real tide pod as a prop seem like a fun idea for even more teenagers. If the media had been a little more responsible, then they could have got the message across that something more dangerous than it seemed was dangerous instead of telling people something obviously dangerous that hadn't happened was dangerous.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I appreciate the context, but I just want to point out that you're blaming "the media" for people putting laundry detergent in their mouth. I did dumb teenage things, yet even I feel qualified to say how knowingly stupid that is, especially for the payoff of... online validation?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    The average person can be surprisingly dumb. The average teenager can be ludicrously much dumber. Dumb teenagers can be even dumber still. If the warning on the packet says do not eat but not do not put in mouth and warnings on packets generally tell you not to do things everyone knows would be dangerous, it doesn't take much dumbness to come to the conclusion that it's fine as long as you don't swallow any.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    They can save people if caught in time. First things first, eat charcoal, crush and mix with water and drink. Not briquettes either actual charcoal it soaks up toxins and you excrete them instead of absorbing.

    But the hospitals have liver protective substances, including milk thistle root extract they give.

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  • [+] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    From my friends who do foraging: you only eat stuff you 1000% know doesn't have an imitator in the area, and even then you're tossing out about 3/4 of what you forage just to be safe.

    Buy your mushrooms from the store.

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  • [+] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    Basically, check the details against known examples.

    Things to check:

    • shape (both inside and out)
    • color (both inside and out)
    • gills
    • spore pattern
    • what it was growing on
    • what season you found it
    • what location you found it

    Ideally, you'll be with someone that knows the mushrooms in the area and can offer more guidance. And again, if you aren't 100% sure of the fungus, toss it rather than take a chance.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Yes, you do not even need a doctor if you catch it soon enough, eat charcoal. After it is absorbed into your bloodstream you need a hospital. Although certain plants help protect the liver like milk thistle and teasel root extract which grow wild at least in North America here. But they have other stuff too.

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  • [+] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Yeah, you got a point there. I'm certainly no mushroom expert either, but one thing in particular I noticed about the photo is that the stem part isn't smooth, which is different than the smooth stem of a white button mushroom. I prefer to err on the side of caution, like if I see a mushroom out in the woods, I'm just gonna assume it's not safe to eat.

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    [–] 66 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    As the great Pratchett wrote: All mushrooms are edible. Some just once.

    I guess Gemini used that as base for its answer.

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  • [–] 43 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Remember business ethics lol?

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  • [–] 69 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    "Corporate personhood" should imply corporate imprisonment and corporate execution.

    Your business is directly, knowingly responsible for someone's death? business license terminated, no ifs, ands or buts.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Corporate personhood implies the opposite of what you want though. It means that the corporation can enter into contracts and be sued for breaches of them, but you want the officers of a corporation to be sued and held responsible directly.

    Your business is directly, knowingly responsible for someone’s death? business license terminated

    Even with corporate personhood, a business can't know things, only its employees can. If an employee is directly and knowingly responsible for someone's death, they should go to jail - but they already can be.

    But if you're talking about the current example, who would be directly responsible for a death occurring because of a misidentified mushroom?

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    That bastard right there is why I don't pick white mushrooms.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (29 children)

    Kinda wild how people that know their mushrooms could just go into the woods and get a highly effective poison. I'm surprised mushroom murders aren't more common

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    I feel like the difficulty in poisoning someone is not obtaining the poison in the first place but the delivery and getting away with it

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Hmm this person knew the victim, had a motive, and was really into mycology, and the autopsy had signs of poisoning from a rare mushroom…

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Good deniability though.
    Be publicly into micology and commonly collect mushrooms to cook when you have guests over.
    Only issue would be to somehow plausably not poison yourself to death. Maybe taking little enough you survive.

    And take care you aren't quite known as fully competent, spread the air of knowledge without any solid proof or association.
    I'll look like you were a sham and amateur overestimating themselves.

    Or just accidentally run them over with a car.

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    Shitty job.
    She lied, behaved irrationally, couldn't get her story straight ahead of time, scenario too implausible.

    You gotta admit fault, hate yourself for killing everyone. Buying poisonous mushrooms is implausible, admit you got them yourself right away, admit accidentally killing them. Swear to never touch mushrooms again.

    And find a better excuse for not poisoning yourself, noone individually prepares mushroom sauce per person.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I mean, anyone reading this thread right now has enough information to know that this thing is deadly, so you don’t need to be into mycology to find a way to weaponize it since it can easily be mistaken as edible.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    There was that case in Australia last year, the poisoner just did a really bad job at covering her tracks. There probably are intelligent people able to get away with it that we don't hear about. It's crazy.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It was wild reading that as it happened. "Oh no, only the people I invited were poisoned! I'm so lucky to be alive!" Homie. That's suspicious as hell.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Didn't she also leave a book of poisonous mushrooms in her house or something. Like not even hidden away just on a table somewhere.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    From what I remember, she had it in her browsing history and also had a dehydrator that she bought specially to prep the mushrooms that she did a bad job of disposing.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx554n1x0wo

    The day after she was discharged from hospital, CCTV captured Erin travelling to a local dump and disposing of a food dehydrator later found to contain traces of poisonous mushrooms.

    She was also using three phones around the time of the lunch, two of which disappeared shortly afterwards. The one she did hand over to police had been repeatedly wiped – including while detectives were searching her house.

    For investigators, the red flags began mounting quickly.

    Questions about the source of the mushrooms elicited odd answers. Patterson claimed some of them had been bought dried from an Asian grocery in Melbourne, but she couldn't remember which suburb. When asked about the brand, or for transaction records, she said they were in plain packaging and she must've paid cash.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    I mean, you can also just walk into a hardware store. Or the cleaning isle of your grocery store.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah, but with a mushroom there is a natural explanation or may not be as obvious as "someone fed this guy bleach".

    People will eat a mushroom pizza if you give it to them

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    I'm probably in the minority on this particular post. But this would NOT kill me.

    Ew mushrooms. I'd pick them all off and have a pile of poison on my plate's edge.

    Assuming nothing leached out.

    I don't fully understand my hatred, but mushrooms do not belong in food. My only exception so far, and I'll try most things once, is wood ear mushrooms, which give me seaweed vibes and are just sort of chewy/crunchy.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    You would need to know how to id a destroying Angel and then somehow put in someones food without them immediately identified as suspicious. Also it causes specific symptoms too, and likely would ask questions of a strange mushroom

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    What is it and how do I avoid it?

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    @Godort@lemmy.ca mentioned it in another reply in this post. It's a Destroying Angel Mushroom. you usually avoid mushrooms like that by only foraging those who have no simulacrae and buying the other mushrooms in the store, or by intensely studying the differences and hoping you are lucky this time.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If you want to get into foraging, spend a year or more going foraging and only taking pictures. It's a lot of fun to find a new species that you haven't found before. You'll also get familiarized with your local ecosystem. Never eat any mushroom without a positive ID. AI can give you a starting point for identification, but not a positive ID. https://mushroomexpert.com/ is a very up to date resource for getting a positive ID

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    [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    As a forager, I live in the middle of a forest, I do hunt mushrooms for myself, I even have shaggy manes that grow wild in my yard. There are tasty and safe ones out there to find in season. It's something even people who live in a city can do. Parks hold some very interesting free foods if you know what you're looking at.

    BUT, you better learn from a local expert who has been hunting locally for years. They know hat grows locally and how to identify them. Using your phone or a book is helpful, but never definitive. Pictures can lie. And even then, there can be a tiny risk.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Using LLMs for anything that can kill you is definitely Darwin Award material. I mean, everybody knows they hallucinate, right?

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I wonder why the person who created the original post didn't share the prompt? It must be hard to farm engagement when you're being honest. Here's what Gemini actually says:

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Different prompts yield different results

    I've noticed that when you tell AI some lie and that it's true, it will generally just go with what you're saying.

    If I say I'm a god, AI likely will just go with it and in no time support my delusional thoughts.

    Not this particular example, but I've had multiple results where AI gave me the wrong answer because I told it something incorrect prior.

    If I were to tell AI that I found a yummie button mushroom, then the picture, there is a good chance it would respond like in this example

    Part of the problem here is that AI is mostly done by companies with billions of investments and in turn they NEEEEEDDDDD engagement, so they all made their AI as agreeable as possible just so people would like it and stay, with results like these becoming much more "normal" than it should or could be

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Part of the problem here is that AI is mostly done by companies with billions of investments and in turn they NEEEEEDDDDD engagement, so they all made their AI as agreeable as possible just so people would like it and stay, with results like these becoming much more "normal" than it should or could be

    I wonder how much of that is intentional vs a byproduct of their training pipeline. I didn't keep up with everything (and those companies became more and more secretive as time went on), but iirc for GPT 3.5 and 4 they used human judges to judge responses. Then they trained a judge model that learns to sort a list of possible answers to a question the same way the human judges would.

    If that model learned that agreeing answers were on average more highly rated by the human judges, then that would be reflected in its orderings. This then makes the LLM more and more likely to go along with whatever the user throws at it as this training/fine-tuning goes on. Instead of the judges liking agreeing answers more on average, it could even be a training set balance issue, where there simply were more agreeing than disagreeing possible answers. A dataset imbalanced that way has a good chance of introducing a bias towards agreeing answers into the judge model. The judge model would then pass that bias onto the GPT model it is used for to train.

    Pure speculation time: since ChatGPT often produces two answers and asks the user which one the user prefers, I can only assume that the user in that case is taking the mantle of those human judges. It's unsurprising that the average GenAI user prefers to be agreed with. So that's also a very plausible source for that bias.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    You remember that time when a website would give such blatant false and dangerous information that it could be sued?

    Pepperidge farm remembers...

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    This has potential as a story/comic/movie:

    Most knowledge has been lost in the post-Apocalyptic world. Google doesn't exist. Books are destroyed. The only thing that remains is a local hosted llm model you have running on solar power.

    Kevin: "Hey, what's this mushroom I managed to forage? It kinda looks like a button mushroom."

    AI: "Hello! Very observant of you! This mushroom IS of the button variety. Their nutritional value is above average for a mushroom. Would you like me to provide you some recipes that incorporate buttons mushrooms? "

    Randal: shouts from across the room "Kevin! How many times have I told you to stop wasting our energy with that stupid thing. "

    Kevin: "Yeah but we could be eating really well tonight. "

    Randal: sighs "the last time you listened to that thing's cooking advice I had the runs for days"

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Does it really liquify your liver though? Curious how it would do this.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Amatoxins do two things: on the one side they cause perforations in the cell membranes, which causes "liquefying", on the other hand it blocks the RNA-Polymerase II and III, which prevents repair of the damage and causes apoptosis. So yes, your liver and kidneys are getting liquefied.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Number one reason I won't eat mushrooms in spaghetti sauce

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