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Well. That's cute.


I love star wars but fuck I hate it too so much.
an AI ‘rebel alliance’
Criiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinge
This sounds like a distraction from making Firefox good.
Might be imagining it, but I think there is enough proof somewhere that some Mozilla board members were paid or extorted by google to sabotage the organization
You really don't need to reach for conspiracy when the entirety of silicon valley has gone AI crazy.
Cope slop for those still on firefox. I finally got around to downloading waterfox and it runs great.
A lot of people don't understand the fact that without Firefox there won't be any Waterfox, Librewolf, Ironfox, Fennec, etc. So despite Mozilla doing some really, really stupid shit we should all keep our fingers crossed the browser somehow manage to survive their leadership.
I wouldn't be against it but... You don't need to support companies or nonprofits, we already got DeepSeek and Qwen which are open source, they don't need money, but they're also not going to go that way because they're Chinese. So they basically want some Western alternative, sure, whatever.
The big companies are burning down the planet building datacenters to run pointless AI so we're going to combat that by... building datacenters to run AI?
If they actually wanted to rebel against it they would build low energy tools to detect and remove AI spam and encourage people not to engage with this shit at all.
How I interpret this :
- Oh no, the very trend and thus powerful corporations are doing something stupid that does not work, let's copy them!
instead of just watch the sideline as they keep on pouring more resources with nothing to show for it except the buzz they keep so hard on trying to maintain.
Servo and Ladybird can't come fast enough man. I hope, that they are mature before Mozilla inevitabley crashes into the fucking ground.
!waterfox@programming.dev seriously, jump ship to a fork that's not actively trying to kick itself in the nuts as hard as feasibly possible
The truly rebellious action would be to make it so you can turn that bullshit off.
…I actually wouldn’t be against this.
But it isn’t even genuine. They’ve forked llama.cpp into a broken clone like about 500 other corporations, instead of just contributing to shit that actually works and is used, and… that’s about it.
That's about par for the AI industry.
and still no gecko firefox for ios.
I mean that's moreso on Apple than it is on Mozilla. They force the use of Webkit.
Weren't they forced by the EU to allow non-Webkit browsers?
Although by now it's probably to late. Making a app on another engine is basically a totally new project.
The EU is not a big enough market to justify a whole new, free iOS browser with a different engine that doesn’t work elsewhere. Which is why this EU policy was effectively useless.
I think it's rather that they're still forced to use Webkit everywhere but the EU and financially it probably doesn't make sense to port Gecko to iOS when worldwide iOS has pretty small marketshare. iOS only holds over 50% marketshare in USA, Canada, Australia, Japan, Norway, Sweden, and Iceland. In most EU countries it's under 30% marketshare. Android literally dominates in all of Mexico, South America, Africa, and Asia, in other words, far too many countries to list, most of which iOS has less than 10% marketshare.
Why would you go through so much trouble for arguably such a small slice of the world's iOS market when the majority of the iOS market will still be forced to use Webkit?
That's not entirely true https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/25/24050478/apple-ios-17-4-browser-engines-eu
Congrats Disney, you did it.
You have obliterated the original message of Star Wars.
Don't blow all the money on GPUs Mozilla, we need you to keep developing Firefox at least until Servo is ready to take over.
The fuck is Servo? (from someone thoroughly annoyed at Mozilla's FireFox)
Servo is new web engine that Mozilla was building with Rust. Both Servo and Rust were initially developed by brilliant Mozilla engineers, cast aside by their incompetent, corrupt leadership and only thrived when they were unyoked from Mozilla, where good ideas go to die
It doesn't sound to me like any GPUs will be bough for this? The comments about having fewer resources and being at a financial disadvantage implies to me like they know there's no winning by trying to be the next OpenAI - none of the mentioned allied companies appear to be doing anything like that either.
Not sure what the grand strategic vision entails, but if the GPUs are not bought but only rented that can be even more expensive.
By that, they mean they're forming a group to oppose AI, right?
...Right???
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Reading the article, I think at least to oppose centralised players that DoS the internet, congest our electricity infrastructure and pollute the environment, and try to bypass democracy through regulatory capture. That captures quite a few of the dark sides of the current AI hype that I'm unhappy about, so let's hope that works out.
How do they propose to fight bot-crawlers, environmental damage and regulatory capture by creating more AI?
The only alternative to bad AI is, according to Mozilla, more AI. But good AI, wholesome AI. With more guardrails, so the stormtroopers stop falling off catwalks.
Steelmanning the argument, I'd say: you could outcompete the companies doing those things, e.g. by giving people AI that runs on their device and is ethically trained.
It might seem hard to compete at the moment, but given that there'd be no costs to running them, I don't think it's necessarily impossible: even if the quality is lower, it's very hard to beat free.
Hopefully, if the OpenAIs of this world go bankrupt, they'll stop hammering, say, OpenStreetMap.
The nonprofit, also the parent of Firefox, is investing in artificial intelligence startups that are working on safety and governance issues in AI.
It’s amazing to me how so many supposed capitalists (the folks that should be at the forefront of smart investing), are throwing money straight into the fiery pit that is AI. It’s like watching an arms race between Fallout corporations.
It's because they have taken too much of the economy for themselves. Too much wealth in the hands of too few. The wisdom of crowds dissipates and they move as much more of a herd, and more erratically. Things begin to swing from one shiny object to another more quickly, with nothing to keep their greed in check
Let me know when they create an alternative to transformers, pytorch, and create a tokenizer without the Open AI QKV hidden layers of alignment. That is where all the fuckery is happening. This is standard and used for all models. It is totally proprietary and a primary reason why they are "open weights" but not Open Source.
So .. a company that despite decades of effort, can't make a competitive web browser with all the help in the world, is now going to distract itself with even more non-essential rubbish with absolutely zero chance of success .. can't wait to hear what the excuse is going to be when this CEO leaves to pursue other opportunities.
Meanwhile the Assumed Intelligence Ponzi scheme will have collapsed, taking with it a significant portion of the economy, let alone the ICT industry.
This timeline needs some tweaking..
Their web browser is quite functional I have used it for 15 years. Idk how they lost all that market share. But they have a loyal userbase they are alienating with this.
At the moment it's a better browser than all the alternatives with more market share for my uses. Huge vote of no confidence in both the foundation and management. They need a cleanout and put people focussed purely on web tech and user experience in there.
Ffs stop with this AI crap, nobody wants it, the only ones that care are those morons that invested trillions into a project that nobody said they need before they started building it up, you don't make something and then look for demand, you create an idea and then if there is demand then you try to make it to fulfill that demand.
Deploying its roughly $1.4 billion worth of reserves to support “mission driven” tech businesses and nonprofits, including its own
I mean, how else can you deplete a non-profit's reserves?
What does Mozilla doubling down on AI and becoming less appealing to core users mean for Firefox forks going forward? How independent of Mozilla are the biggest ones in practice?
There's a hard fork in the works called Servo. The developers are attempting to hard fork Firefox so that they don't have to rely on it for updates in the future.
There's another called Ladybird but there's controversy surrounding the person fronting it and the fact that they use AI to code it.
remember the good old days when firefox was the better alternative to pretty much all browsers?
They are trying to destroy the last credible non-shit browser engine. How do we rescue Mozilla from their board and management?
Nice, I look forward to a more privacy centric approach to this AI nonsense. Let's see how they do.

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