okay, first off: hey, what the fuck?

mozilla has a A THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED MILLIONS of dollars? what were all them cookie sales for thunderbird? oh yeah, they have this shell game of interlinked but not really entities so you can play whack-a-mole till the death of the universe.

and they wanna burn it dicking around with AI? fuck each and every ghoul steering that ship into the abyss, and they can take Gnome's fucking shaman or whatwasit with them.

is everybody insane, "silicon valley" was supposed to be a satire, these cretins make mike judge seem like a prophet...

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[–] 63 points 9 months ago
[–] 38 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I love star wars but fuck I hate it too so much.

    an AI ‘rebel alliance’

    Criiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinge

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This sounds like a distraction from making Firefox good. 

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Might be imagining it, but I think there is enough proof somewhere that some Mozilla board members were paid or extorted by google to sabotage the organization

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Cope slop for those still on firefox. I finally got around to downloading waterfox and it runs great.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    A lot of people don't understand the fact that without Firefox there won't be any Waterfox, Librewolf, Ironfox, Fennec, etc. So despite Mozilla doing some really, really stupid shit we should all keep our fingers crossed the browser somehow manage to survive their leadership.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I wouldn't be against it but... You don't need to support companies or nonprofits, we already got DeepSeek and Qwen which are open source, they don't need money, but they're also not going to go that way because they're Chinese. So they basically want some Western alternative, sure, whatever.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    The big companies are burning down the planet building datacenters to run pointless AI so we're going to combat that by... building datacenters to run AI?

    If they actually wanted to rebel against it they would build low energy tools to detect and remove AI spam and encourage people not to engage with this shit at all.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    How I interpret this :

    • Oh no, the very trend and thus powerful corporations are doing something stupid that does not work, let's copy them!

    instead of just watch the sideline as they keep on pouring more resources with nothing to show for it except the buzz they keep so hard on trying to maintain.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Servo and Ladybird can't come fast enough man. I hope, that they are mature before Mozilla inevitabley crashes into the fucking ground.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    !waterfox@programming.dev seriously, jump ship to a fork that's not actively trying to kick itself in the nuts as hard as feasibly possible

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    The truly rebellious action would be to make it so you can turn that bullshit off.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    …I actually wouldn’t be against this.

    But it isn’t even genuine. They’ve forked llama.cpp into a broken clone like about 500 other corporations, instead of just contributing to shit that actually works and is used, and… that’s about it.

    That's about par for the AI industry.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    and still no gecko firefox for ios.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I mean that's moreso on Apple than it is on Mozilla. They force the use of Webkit.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Weren't they forced by the EU to allow non-Webkit browsers?

    Although by now it's probably to late. Making a app on another engine is basically a totally new project.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago*

    I think it's rather that they're still forced to use Webkit everywhere but the EU and financially it probably doesn't make sense to port Gecko to iOS when worldwide iOS has pretty small marketshare. iOS only holds over 50% marketshare in USA, Canada, Australia, Japan, Norway, Sweden, and Iceland. In most EU countries it's under 30% marketshare. Android literally dominates in all of Mexico, South America, Africa, and Asia, in other words, far too many countries to list, most of which iOS has less than 10% marketshare.

    Why would you go through so much trouble for arguably such a small slice of the world's iOS market when the majority of the iOS market will still be forced to use Webkit?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Congrats Disney, you did it.

    You have obliterated the original message of Star Wars.

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    [–] 26 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Don't blow all the money on GPUs Mozilla, we need you to keep developing Firefox at least until Servo is ready to take over.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The fuck is Servo? (from someone thoroughly annoyed at Mozilla's FireFox)

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Servo is new web engine that Mozilla was building with Rust. Both Servo and Rust were initially developed by brilliant Mozilla engineers, cast aside by their incompetent, corrupt leadership and only thrived when they were unyoked from Mozilla, where good ideas go to die

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It doesn't sound to me like any GPUs will be bough for this? The comments about having fewer resources and being at a financial disadvantage implies to me like they know there's no winning by trying to be the next OpenAI - none of the mentioned allied companies appear to be doing anything like that either.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Not sure what the grand strategic vision entails, but if the GPUs are not bought but only rented that can be even more expensive.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Heh true, but only if they're rented for long enough to make the total rental costs outweigh the cost of buying them new. Given that that bubble's going to pop some day, renting still seems like the less risky strategy 😅

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    By that, they mean they're forming a group to oppose AI, right?

    ...Right???

    ...

    ...

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Reading the article, I think at least to oppose centralised players that DoS the internet, congest our electricity infrastructure and pollute the environment, and try to bypass democracy through regulatory capture. That captures quite a few of the dark sides of the current AI hype that I'm unhappy about, so let's hope that works out.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    How do they propose to fight bot-crawlers, environmental damage and regulatory capture by creating more AI?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    Steelmanning the argument, I'd say: you could outcompete the companies doing those things, e.g. by giving people AI that runs on their device and is ethically trained.

    It might seem hard to compete at the moment, but given that there'd be no costs to running them, I don't think it's necessarily impossible: even if the quality is lower, it's very hard to beat free.

    Hopefully, if the OpenAIs of this world go bankrupt, they'll stop hammering, say, OpenStreetMap.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It’s amazing to me how so many supposed capitalists (the folks that should be at the forefront of smart investing), are throwing money straight into the fiery pit that is AI. It’s like watching an arms race between Fallout corporations.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 9 months ago

    It's because they have taken too much of the economy for themselves. Too much wealth in the hands of too few. The wisdom of crowds dissipates and they move as much more of a herd, and more erratically. Things begin to swing from one shiny object to another more quickly, with nothing to keep their greed in check

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    I'm overdosing on the cringe ☠️

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Let me know when they create an alternative to transformers, pytorch, and create a tokenizer without the Open AI QKV hidden layers of alignment. That is where all the fuckery is happening. This is standard and used for all models. It is totally proprietary and a primary reason why they are "open weights" but not Open Source.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago

    That sounds gayer than 5 guys having sex with 6 guys.

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    [+] 94 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago

    All we want is a really good FOSS browser and email client...

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    So .. a company that despite decades of effort, can't make a competitive web browser with all the help in the world, is now going to distract itself with even more non-essential rubbish with absolutely zero chance of success .. can't wait to hear what the excuse is going to be when this CEO leaves to pursue other opportunities.

    Meanwhile the Assumed Intelligence Ponzi scheme will have collapsed, taking with it a significant portion of the economy, let alone the ICT industry.

    This timeline needs some tweaking..

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    At the moment it's a better browser than all the alternatives with more market share for my uses. Huge vote of no confidence in both the foundation and management. They need a cleanout and put people focussed purely on web tech and user experience in there.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago

    Ffs stop with this AI crap, nobody wants it, the only ones that care are those morons that invested trillions into a project that nobody said they need before they started building it up, you don't make something and then look for demand, you create an idea and then if there is demand then you try to make it to fulfill that demand.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    How about you make a browser instead

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago*

    Deploying its roughly $1.4 billion worth of reserves to support “mission driven” tech businesses and nonprofits, including its own

    I mean, how else can you deplete a non-profit's reserves?

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What does Mozilla doubling down on AI and becoming less appealing to core users mean for Firefox forks going forward? How independent of Mozilla are the biggest ones in practice?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There's a hard fork in the works called Servo. The developers are attempting to hard fork Firefox so that they don't have to rely on it for updates in the future.

    There's another called Ladybird but there's controversy surrounding the person fronting it and the fact that they use AI to code it.

    https://servo.org/

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    remember the good old days when firefox was the better alternative to pretty much all browsers?

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    Fuck off mozilla.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    They are trying to destroy the last credible non-shit browser engine. How do we rescue Mozilla from their board and management?

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago

    Nice, I look forward to a more privacy centric approach to this AI nonsense. Let's see how they do.

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    [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Well. That's cute.

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