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[–] 42 points 9 months ago

Gestapo. Storm Troopers. Dumbfuck Goons. Whatever you wanna call these shameless pieces of shit, it's real pathetic that they are proud of what they're doing. Sickening.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Don't real cops/law enforcement usually go before a grand jury when they are involved in a shooting? Seems like Ice would have to do the same, maybe grand juries are gay now or something 🤷‍♂️.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    No. Grand juries are used when a prosecutor wants to bring a certain level of charges against someone. The prosecutor basically shows the evidence they have that would justify a case, and they sign off on the indictment (charges). While a trial is not a sure thing for either side, grand jury proceedings are basically a formality and it's not uncommon for a prosecutor to go their entire career without failing to get a grand jury indictment.

    If an officer-involved shooting is justified and there's no reason to bring charges, there's no reason to get a grand jury involved either.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Not usually. Prosecutions for police shootings in the US are rare. Typically just an internal investigation done by another department that clears the shooter. It must be extra egregious or have serious public pressure for an AD to even attempt to bring charges.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    My understanding was the grand jury was more or less a formality so that double jeopardy would prevent any future prosecutions from happening, but what you're saying 100% tracks as well.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    A grand jury will not create double jeopardy because it happens before charges are brought. It's a way for a prosecutor to see if the evidence they have is strong enough. If a grand jury does not indict they can try again with new evidence or a different approach. They aren't necessarily required for every criminal case. But making a weak case to a grand jury is a way prosecutors avoid charging cops while claiming to have tried their best to the public. Especially with the secrecy around them.

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  • 28 comments in c/news@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 94 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    That video contradicts administration claims that he and others were interfering with immigration enforcement, and Pierce argued that the earlier encounter – which was also recorded on video that came to light after his column was published – suggests that agents intentionally targeted the intensive care nurse

    "There’s no 'riot,'" Pierce wrote. "There aren’t enough people on the sidewalk for a decent hockey fight. An ICE officer walks right up to Pretti and initiates the violence. Then he and his colleagues swarm Pretti, who vanishes below a flurry of punches and kicks while onlookers plead with his attackers. And then five shots ring out, a pause, and then five more."

    "Presumably, Pretti at least was incapacitated by the first volley, which means the second burst was meant to do what?" the columnist added. "Kill a dead man? Intimidate the witnesses? Everything that the ICE agents do in that video can arguably be interpreted as planned and purposeful."

    100% it was meant to finish the job. Probably not the killer(s?) first rodeo either. The administration (mainly Miller and whoever has their hand up his puppet ass) pressures DHS to get new recruits as fast as possible without bothering to do a background check. DHS (Noem and her puppet master Lewendowski) are dumb and evil enough (not to mention fucking drunk on unchecked power and greed) to give their blessing for whatever commands Miller screeches.

    Surprise of the century, in the rush to get rich by hurting America, DHS "accidentally" ends up hiring professional murderers to carry out their campaign of making America "safe."

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I'm sure they're instructed, in a very obtuse way, to make sure all shots are kill shots.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago*

    Firearms training doesn't teach you to do some sharpshooter type "Shoot the gun out of his hand" shit (Saying this as an example, it's very clear Pretti was not carrying a weapon in hand.). You're trained to shoot center mass and shoot until the threat stops. That said, it's really hard for me to believe that he was somehow a threat after a bunch of dudes kicked the shit out of him, then still a threat after shooting him in the back 5 times. That was a murder. Straight up.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    There is no such thing as non-lethal shot placement. One of the basic rules of gun safety is that you do not point your gun at anything you don't want to destroy.

    If you don't want to kill someone, you don't use a gun.

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    OK, MN District Attorney, there's your case. File the charges. 1st Degree Murder, Conspiracy, and pile on everything else you can reasonably add. Sooner, rather than later. Justice delayed is justice denied.

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    "If all of them want to say that they didn’t recognize Pretti as the guy who’d already had his ribs broken in an earlier encounter with federal agents, let them say it under oath in a courtroom as part of their defense against a charge of murder in the first degree,"

    Let them confess it - no court will convict them for first-degree murder on the basis of that. Unless, that is, the United States has generally got its shit sorted out by the time it comes to court and ICE is being treated as a criminal secret police.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Pretti should have shot first is all I'm hearing. It's only a matter of time before that lesson is learned and someone does.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    So the solution is to give them what they want to go full SS?

    Edit: added question mark.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    This isn't full SS? Dragging people from their homes and shooting people in the street?

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The SS didn't start there either.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Meaning it's not full SS... And don't misunderstand me here, they're very much on the SS path, it's just very clear what they meant and I feel you deliberately chose to not get that.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago
    [–] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Look, I want these ICE murderers get the justice they deserve (and you know exactly what I mean), but first degree murder seems like a stretch. It would be way easier to prove second degree and would still be a pretty harsh dose of justice.

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    When your priority is counting bullet holes as a doctor performs triage on your victim a case can be made for 1st degree murder.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They also had an altercation with Pretti a week or so before. So there's a case for something like retribution here.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    It's also not uncommon for a prosecutor to shoot for higher murder charges to secure a plea on a lower classification and save on efforts in a trial and keep conviction rates high. The same thing often happens for drug distribution > possession > usage cases.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Because of that video footage, the media is already painting him as a violent criminal.

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    [–] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This murder will never be forgotten.

    Even more so now that Springsteen immortalized him.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Them. The Boss mentions Pretti and Good in the lyrics. Both murdered by ICE agents protected by Trump and the GOP enablers in Congress and SCOTUS.

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    [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I want to think something will come of it, but I worry that if the ICE agent catches a charge for this, Trump will pardon him. He needs to send a clear message to his Gestapo that they're above the law and that would be a way to do it. If that happens, I seriously hope it's the catalyst to full-scale drag-people-into-the-street-and-beat-them-to-death revolt.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago*

    Trump can only pardon federal charges. If he's charged in Minnesota there's nothing he can do other than hide the guy and prevent him from being arrested, which will do even more damage to his reputation and energize the resistance. I'm betting he lets this guy take the fall but does whatever he can to impede the prosecutors from gathering evidence while continuing to smear the victim.

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