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[โ€“] 47 points 9 months ago (13 children)

Canadian here. Interesting points. I feel most Canadians would be cautiously open to the idea. How do EU regular people feel?

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  • [โ€“] 63 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    German here - come on over! We need new english speakers since we lost the brits lol

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  • [โ€“] 25 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Most of Europe does just fine with English speaking on their own, and some would argue better than the Brits.

    Just donโ€™t let the French hear the Quebecois, theyโ€™ll veto straightaway.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 28 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Canadians need to up their standards and stop setting on being American-lite.

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  • [โ€“] 29 points 9 months ago

    I have been in Canada for over 20 years and little by little I have realized most of what I like from Canada is what we inherited/copied from Europe and everything I hate came from the dumpster fire below.

    As always, the devil is in the details, but in general I would welcome any stronger alliance with the EU

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    According to the article, Canada is above the average EU member on property rights protection, judicial independence, regulatory coherence, trade openness, and social security systems, low corruption, regulatory clarity, and overall investment climate, higher education quality, corporate research and development spending, patent registrations, and the diffusion of advanced technologies โ€”from broadband infrastructure to digital services. The next line: In short, Canada already behaves like a de facto member of the club in all but name.

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  • [โ€“] 25 points 9 months ago

    As a European, i am happy that my country is in the European Union, would be bad otherwise for various reasons;
    yeah, they sometimes do bad decisions, but overall it's great-- chat control is the biggest shit but we should reject it as much as we can

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  • [โ€“] 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [โ€“] 23 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Article is too long...

    It'd be a little weird as Canada is not in Europe but other than that it'd be a perfect fit. Much better fit than Turkey or even Hungary...

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  • [โ€“] 15 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Could rename it to the Earth Union and keep the acronym

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [โ€“] 11 points 9 months ago*

    Cyprus is in Asia, and is a member of the EU and was allowed because it was "politically and culturally European". It could be argued that Canada would qualify under those same circumstances.

    We even have something that Cyprus doesn't, and land border with an EU country (Denmark), and a sea border with an EU country (France).

    And while we were independent of the UK from a governmental point of view, we were still a dominion of the UK until 1982, which means we even have historical precedence in the EU as an overseas territory, though never in an official way.

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  • [โ€“] 19 points 9 months ago

    EU here, yes pls. Iโ€™ve never been there but Iโ€™ve always loved the idea of Canada. Hospitality, human rights, healthcare, โ€ฆ all values we should hold high and unite over.

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 9 months ago

    Australia as well please, love to join the grand EU project. Anything that brings people closer together in a fractured world is a good thing.

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 9 months ago

    This would be wonderful!

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    As Canada isnโ€™t in Europe, some renaming has to happenโ€ฆ perhaps Freedom Union?

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 9 months ago

    I'm Canadian. Sign me up! I remember as a lad in the 1960's that commercials on TV compared Canada to the nordic countries, not america. That's right around the start of "capitalization" when "business administration" students were pushed out of colleges in huge numbers and everything slowly went to hell.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I like the idea, although our provinces would have to give up quite a bit of their sovereignty which would be a hard sell politically. We have more trade barriers between our provinces than the EU has.

    We're a good sized market, but not so big that the EU would be willing to put up with 10 exceptions to their rules.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    would have to give up quite a bit of their sovereignty which would be a hard sell politically.

    You say that like we don't want to work together.

    But I'm sure provinces in Germany and Spain get to have their own squabbles like our petty ones.

    10 exceptions to their rules.

    Provinces needing their snowflake exceptions get annexed by America. If the UK could join the EU there's nothing stopping us but nostalgia; and I hear that's not a strategy anymore.

    Ultimately, we're gonna have to one day decide whether we're Canadian and quit the in-fighting. If we can't learn the lesson of Queenston Heights then we deserve what we get.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Better start practicing your Canadian then.

    Educational material

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    After reading the article, I am still not sure whether that's a good idea because such an expansion likely comes with additional conflicts. Wouldn't mind a EU & Friends though. In general Canada has been very stable, reasonable and constructive in the last years.

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    [โ€“] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Ooh, can you imagine the freakout that would happen in Washington?

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  • [โ€“] [S] 2 points 9 months ago

    Itโ€™s going to happen after Albania!

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here: I'm against this because many European projects are incompatible with Canada. In some parts, Canada's infrastructure is as bad as the USA's. Look at public transport, for example. Everything is car centric, and if you're not rich enough to own a car, you're basically excluded from public life, I don't mean this in an elitist type of way. Even Germany has significantly better public transport than Canada. Many of the other networking projects such as TEN-T or ETCS do not make sense as it is quite literally separated from the EU. Common standards are only useful when everyone agrees to use them. But as Canada would be the only EU state on the North American continent, they would be the only ones using it. Enhanced political cooperation and trade is always a positive thing, but the EU is more than just FTAs and other diplomatic pleasantries. IMHO.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Everything is car centric, and if you're not rich enough to own a car, you're basically excluded from public life

    Amsterdam changed. Amsterdam city streets with and without cars, before and after cycling infrastructure

    Paris is changing.

    โ€ฆ Kรธbenhavn

    Seriously, visiting North America is โ€œweโ€™ve tried adding a [car] lane to the highway and canโ€™t figure out why nobody is cycling or taking transit.โ€

    Transportation networks indeed make little sense when thereโ€™s an ocean in between. Too bad the USA canโ€™t play nicely with others.

    Common standards would be a challenge, in some areas -canโ€™t do electrical because 50hz vs 60hz and deep integration with USA grid. The NEMA plugs are a bit of a nightmare. But for vehicle safety and emissions it would be a step forward; more countries adopted the EU than US standards there.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 9 months ago*

    It's actually changing here too, at least in cities. Bike lanes being added, streets being repurposed back to foot and bike traffic. Improved public transit.

    I don't even think the electrical changes would be hard because of US integration, it would be hard because of so much of it. We could switch. Most houses already have a 240 circuit needed for things like car chargers, dryers and ovens. You could easily retrofit a house. But the grid feeding that house would need to be rebuilt from the ground (pun intended) up.

    Edit: re electricity: We apparently did this in the early 50s once already. We were on a 25hz system, and power technicians went to every single house and retrofitted them to go from 25 to 60hz. Wild. I just learned that.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 9 months ago

    I also like it that their King Charles III has no say in it while some other parts of the commonwealth left EU in recent history.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 9 months ago

    To join EU, a country needs to comply with several conditions. The conditions for economical and political stability are OK, I assume. But Canada would need to adapt to EU laws. How big is the gap between the laws in Canada and what EU requires?

    Is it anything that stops EU and Canada from agreeing on free trade, open borders etc. even if Canada is not a part of EU? That would be weaker since one side can elect a weirdo and suddenly stop all agreements but it could be faster to implement and Canada could join later.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Although I'd welcome the idea, there is an important caveat : Canada is a financial sovereign now but would have to give that up. All countries in euroland use a foreign currency called "the euro". We have a central bank but no central government. Members are expected to finance themselves on the private market. Where as today Canadian government can buy any local goods and services it wants as long as they're priced in canadian dollars. EU is great but needs to fix its design faults before we can expand again

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    There are still a few eu countries that have not yet start using the common currency. But i would say that it's getting harder and harder to argue that staying outside is something positive. Sure it might feel like a big step but you gain so much more.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 9 months ago

    You're missing the point. There's 2 kinds of economic schools: Tax first, then spend it. And the other school that says 'decide democratically what you want to do, then do it by buying goods/services in your own currency. When the invoice arrives instruct the central bank to pay for it. Why do you still need taxation ? To force the locals to accept your currency for them to pay your tax. That also a big part if how money gets created in the first place. And the recognition that 'the state' is a source of wealth instead of the tax satan between buyers and sellers. I love the EU. But we need that democracy and government that issues policy and injects wealth. China and US understand their fiscal power. But we're stuck with stupid Dutch and Germans who don't understand what Nixon really did.

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  • [โ€“] -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Not sure I want the EU to share a border with the US

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 9 months ago*

    As a European, I have no interest in Canada joining the EU. It's not even in Europe, nor near it, nor an overseas possession of its countries.

    It'd also give us a large border with Fascistland.

    However, I do think we could have association partnership with Canada - basically the closest to being a member state in all but name, membership, and voting rights. I also want labour rights to remain protected; and thus to ward off the influence of techbros.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I was partially in favour, but this article changed my mind. There are many ways to cooperate on everything if this is the point. In the article there is little understanding of what the EU is

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    And the articles said nothing about what joining would bring Canada.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I think the main things would be free trade and no borders. Fancy living in Ireland or the South of France for a bit? Hop on a plane. No questions asked.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I donโ€™t think that will work. We canโ€™t have centralized decisions being made for Canada in Brussels and through consensus with a bunch of countries who we donโ€™t even share a continent with. That being said, we exist because of mother France and father Britain (who unceremoniously left the family). So we will ALWAYS be aligned with Europe.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 9 months ago

    As a Swede I feel kind of the the same, but regarding joining the Euro. But what are our options? Sure the Krona could survive another 100 years but the full access to the inner market seems pretty rad. But yeah we need to have a serious talk about democracy with Hungary and a talk about sustainable finances with some countries.

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  • [โ€“] -2 points 9 months ago

    No thanks. We don't need another layer of bureaucrats to make everything even more complex and slow.

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