Once these countries leave, they'll never go back. And then the rest of us get better alternatives to this enshitification model.
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Kind of funny considering that Visio is the name of another Microsoft product.
ETA: I'm not defending Microsoft's usage of the term 'Visio' here. The French use of that term makes a lot of sense, and Microsoft has an annoying tendency of using and copyrighting very common terms like 'Word' or 'SQL Server'. And France (or the French government) should be allowed to use it for their video conferencing software. I'm just smiling at the idea of some people opening Microsoft Visio by mistake and trying to figure out how to make a call through a diagramming app.
Microslop can cry about it.
It’s also a French word that means video conference (as a shortened form of visioconférence).
Gosh, someone should tell the Microsoft teams team that Microsoft teams for business and Microsoft teams for personal and Microsoft teams for students are also using the same names and make communication difficult. They should get a copilot team on it
People who use Visio, probably wont even have (the wrong) Visio installed. There shouldn’t be any confusion.
This is only a part of france's "LaSuite" (very original name guys), that seemingly will replace every equivalent american service.
https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/
They generally work pretty well (demo on the site) and are a mix of homegrown solutions and rebrands of existing projects like matrix. All of them are open source.
And all their videos are on Peertube!
!lasuite@tube.numerique.gouv.fr
Unfortunately source code is still hosted on GitHub...
They should have called it "du coup" for that authentic frenchness.
And the apps have docker for easy setup! I was expecting something very convoluted and not suitable for tinkerers. What's good/bad is that the the apps seem to be deployed independently. Would love to have single user for everything. Need to read a bit further to see how it's done
To have a single user with multiple services you usually use a separate oauth provider, in the french government's case that's France connect but authelia is a good self-hosted option.
It's possible these ones have a built-in system for this though, I haven't checked.
I might not have explained well. Not only a single user, but a connected one. If I'm in the chat app and want to share a file, to show automatically my cloud drive, to jump from text chat to video call video call or to have a notification on the chat app when an invite with a video call is received.
As much as I hate MS, almost everything I do with teams and outlook alone.
tbh I really don't know for this solution, but you might like nextcloud, it's exactly what you're looking for, each part of the site is connected in that way.
Thanks, I used to have it. It died on me multiple times in the past (I'm sure I'm ultimately at fault) so I'm a bit wary.
For lasuite I'm thinking about it's long term staying power in France institutions and adaption by other agencies/companies.
There will be a big pushback by users, so the smoother the better
I guess they're all cloud tools? Or is there something I can install in my laptop?
Now replace Windows with Linux, and fucking invest into not needing to use American-controlled CPUs as every single one of them contains a backdoor.
I don't understand why governments trust official matters in the hands of closed source software and suspicious hardware. Even China uses a special version of Windows 11 in public computers, this is nuts.
and fucking invest into not needing to use American-controlled CPUs as every single one of them contains a backdoor.
China has been working intensely for at least 2 decades to catch up, and they are still about a decade behind!
Netherlands has ASML which is a huge advantage for European independent manufacturing, but even with that it's an insanely expensive investment to make a realistic competitor to AMD, Intel, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Broadcom etc. because they have loads of patents that are hard to avoid, and they have decades of know how. This is not even accounting for the software infra structure that would have to be built almost from scratch.
Chip production is a global enterprise, and even USA isn't independent anymore. They depend on ASML and TSMC for their most popular products in AI, Smartphones, servers, laptops and desktops. And more and more Arm is taking over from Intel/AMD.
What we may be able to do would be using Arm and have TSMC help us with manufacturing. But to make such a project succeed is not an easy thing, we had European computer companies in the 70's and 80's that were heavily subsidized by governments that dominated home markets for several European countries, and they essentially all failed against international competition.
So what we risk if we were required to use a European product funded by EU/European governments would be to have to use an overpriced under-performing technology, that would be a millstone around the neck of all of Europe, making Europe not catch up, but instead fall further behind.
they have loads of patents that are hard to avoid
China doesn't care about patents of outsiders.
He is talking about software. A fucking video conferencing tool not controlled by American tech is no ASML level investment.
We could at least start with this
Ignorance, mostly. It's sad but Chinese leaders seem to listen to their experts, while EU leaders listen to CEOs, and of large companies only.
... Pretty much every CPU contains backdoors, not just american ones. The Chinese government does the exact same thing as the American government. They are two sides of the same coin but the Chinese government seems more competent and efficient unlike the US government.
Even if the hardware doesn't have backdoors, the firmware often will, which you also can't get around with software.
The tier after that is software which also has a lot of back doors, luckily, you can run Linux and open source software. That is the best you can do. Really the only thing you can "trust" not to have backdoors is MCUs because those backdoors are much more likely to need physical access.
Sadly, our entire tech world is built on backdoors and intentional security flaws to enable easier debugging, recovery, and compliance with government law enforcement after the sale.
Here's my guess, and I could be completely wrong.
All the governments use 2 sets of computers. The first, is a closed network used only internally. Open source, connected as a network, but NOT connected to outside neteorks. This uses closed source OS that they themselves develop. No backdoors. Highly secured.
The second set is what you know. Windows 11, backdoors, easily spied on. Intentionally left open, because that's their way to spy on the other countries.
They leave this open, to let themselves be spied on, so that they can spy on the other side. Neither side realizing they're both doing the same thing, and both sides just getting mostly useless info.
Then, to throw off the trail of it being useless info, they occasionally allow a juicy bit of info into their windows computer. Just so it's not obvious that this isn't the real info.
I have zero evidence, and came up with this theory after reading your comment. So I could be very wrong.
Good on them, but I Wonder why they can't just build on top of something open source like Nextcloud.
It already has the majority of the Office-365 suite
I don't know on what it's based on, but it's open source and audited.
Because the French government is hell bent on saving money, but they don't care about anyone's privacy at all. I wouldn't be surprised if they are building a privacy nightmare system here. Having said that, at least they are removing Microslop, and anything that could potentially hurt Microslop in any way, shape or form, is a good thing.
It is open source and built on top of livekit which is open source.
All the tools of "La Suite Numerique" are open source.
Anything to ANYTHING to get away from MicrSlop, Google etc. is huge. HUGE!
Why not jitsi meet? Isn't better to use an already "established" opensource conferencing tool?
They could just selfhost their instance.
Jitsi is owned by a Campbell, California based firm called 8x8. Source: I worked for them during the acquisition.
Though admittedly avoiding US origin open source is unlikely to be possible. The thing they are using seems to be based on another package with a similar issue.
They've been building an entire open source suite of software tailored to their needs. If I had to guess, Jitsi isn't performant enough for large (100+) user meetings in a way they can scale easily. It's a great tool, but it seems better geared towards smaller loads. Video conferencing at scale is a pretty big challenge.
Between this, their new Docs platform and some Matrix-based chat platforms, I think this is something they've put a fair bit of thought into how they want to build. Overall, it's a cool initiative, but I think it's pretty clear that it's open source as a means to be transparent as a government organization rather than to form a platform for broad use by everyone. They do have some self-hosting instructions on their GitHub though.
I was wondering the same, but this does make sense.
At the same time, it might also make sense to build on top of existing FOSS tooling rather than building new, but I suppose that depends on where the bottlenecks are and if stuff like proprietary codecs might be involved
To be fair, I find the idea of a government outsourcing IT needs to entities under the sovereignty of foreign governments kind of fundamentally problematic to begin with.
That's great. I wish Visio/Vizio were not such common names for software and hardware. We done did those already. Do something else.
Nice, replace Microslop Windows too pls.
The gendarmerie has had its own Linux distribution for a while now but that's about it.
its own Linux distribution
Tweaking Ubuntu a bit counts and own Linux distribution?
Its how most Distros get started. Ubuntu is just tweaked Debian, with more than a decade of tweaks (and amazon spyware) piled up.
Ubuntu is just tweaked Debian
All packages are recompiled for Ubuntu and Ubuntu has everything in its own repositories. They literally distribute the software. If you just change config files a bit and the software packages still come from Ubuntu, it's not really your own distribution. It's Ubuntu and repository accesses still count towards Ubuntu stats.
This "find out" phase is gonna go on for a long, long time.
The "find out" will take forever. France just decided that a "sovereign server" can be AWS or any US big-tech providing the physical server is located in France.
France has also signed a contract with Microsoft ("sovereign" solution again) for the national health data hub, even as a parliament investigation had MS France GM stating MS can't guarantee the data won't leak to the US!
Most political leader are grossly ignorant on anything IT.
Anything that kicks big tech's teeth in is good.
Looks like this is it, but it's called "Meet" here:
This looks suspiciously similar to element call
Element is open source, so I would be very unsurprised to learn it's an Element fork.
E: TechCrunch says "TChap" is based on Matrix (unfortunately in a security vulnerability article):
Stop replying on U.S. companies for technologies that provide the backbone of our governments!

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