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France will replace Microsoft Teams, Google Meet, Zoom, Webex and others with its own sovereign video conferencing application "Visio" for public officials (numerique.gouv.fr)
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[–] 325 points 9 months ago (17 children)

Once these countries leave, they'll never go back. And then the rest of us get better alternatives to this enshitification model.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Once these countries leave, they’ll never go back.

    Look up LiMux and the massive Microsoft deal that followed.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

    No, please stop with this garbage misinformation. Microsoft made a (suspected) under the table deal with the Munich government at the time to setup a Microsoft office in Munich if they switched back to Windows.

    That's what the news reported on endlessly. That's the narrative that keeps getting falsely repeated over and over, and no one ever checks the BS stories they spread.

    The rest of the story didn't make headlines, where the new incoming Munich government said "hell no!" (prob in German) and continued the Linux rollout.

    Today the environment is a mix of Linux and Windows, but they already have a large focus on FOSS software.

    Despite the astonishingly stupid decision to roll their own in-house distro (LiMux), the program was massively successful, with Linux users filling only 40% the number of tickets the Windows users did.

    Edit: I'm correcting something I said, they didn't "continue the Linux rollout" as they had already covered most of their systems. The current status is a mix of Windows and Linux, because they vetoed the rollback to Windows in 2020.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Citation Needed

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (6 children)

    You first

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    You first

    Are you afraid to provide any reference to your claim? Do you need extra time making up stuff?

    "Die 43 000 städtischen Mitarbeiterinnen und Mitarbeiter nutzen also mittlerweile wieder Word, Outlook und PowerPoint [...] Einfacher sei die Software-Frage bei den Servern im städtischen Rechenzentrum zu beantworten. Zwar haben man durchaus auch Windows-Server, aber die meisten laufen mit Linux, so Gernhardt." (29. Juni 2025) https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/muenchen-verwaltung-open-source-it-microsoft-li.3256886

    So Linux on servers, Windows including MS Office on desktops. The migration to Linux on desktops was completely reversed.

    So where is "“hell no!” (prob in German) and continued the Linux rollout"? Where has it been "garbage misinformation"? Where are the exact stats about opening tickets? After all, you claim "Linux users filling only 40% the number of tickets the Windows users did". That's pretty specific.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    Are you afraid to provide any reference to your claim? Do you need extra time making up stuff?

    No. Just calling out your double standard. If you didn't provide sources for your statements, then it's rich for you to demand sources from me.

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-not-windows-why-munich-is-shifting-back-from-microsoft-to-open-source-again/

    https://youtu.be/XBRh2G29NNE

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux

    "In May 2020, it was reported that the newly elected politicians in Munich, while not going back to the original plan of migrating to LiMux wholesale, will prefer Free Software for future endeavours."

    There are no official numbers, but the rollback to Windows was halted. It's estimated that it's currently a mix of Linux and Windows. And it's been acknowledged that the move back to Windows was almost entirely political due to influence from Microsoft.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (3 children)

    “In May 2020, it was reported that the newly elected politicians in Munich, while not going back to the original plan of migrating to LiMux wholesale, will prefer Free Software for future endeavours.”

    So you lied. You claimed that Munich said "Hell no" to Microsoft Migration but here you spell it out yourself: The politicians did sell out to Microsoft and only newly elected politicians partially reversed it.

    They use Windows and MS Office on desktops to this day and use Linux on servers and some FOSS tools ON WINDOWS DESKTOPS.

    I was right, you lied.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    They use Windows and MS Office on desktops to this day and use Linux on servers and some FOSS tools ON WINDOWS DESKTOPS.

    Citation needed.

    I know for a fact that there are no official numbers, and it's estimated to be a split between the two OSes.

    You claimed that Munich said "Hell no" to Microsoft Migration but here you spell it out yourself: The politicians did sell out to Microsoft and only newly elected politicians partially reversed it.

    Ya, I'm not sure which part confuses you, but I'll try to help:

    • Politician A sells out to MS

    • Migration back to Windows begins

    • Politician B gets elected

    • Politician B says "hell no" (hyperbole) to Microsoft switch back

    • Politician B halts the migration

    Still confused? Then I can't help you.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Citation needed.

    I already provided one: https://lemmy.world/comment/21796829

    Cannot read a German news article about German news? Your problem. I'm 100% correct.

    Politician A sells out to MS

    The previous administration did.

    Migration back to Windows begins

    Which the previous administration did do and the new administration did not reverse on desktops. Windows and MS Office remain in use.

    Politician B says “hell no” (hyperbole) to Microsoft switch back

    There was no “hell no”. They adopted a few FOSS tools on Windows. Windows and MS Office remain in use. I already provided a source from June 2025, so quite recent.

    Politician B halts the migration

    You clamed there was no Microsoft migration. You claimed that any sort of Migrosoft migration is garbage misinformation. You're a blatant liar.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago

    Cannot read a German news article about German news? Your problem. I'm 100% correct.

    Did you read the article? Because nowhere in there does it say how many Linux or Windows desktops are being used.

    The previous administration did.

    Yes, Dieter Reiter. He's the one quoted in the article. He's the one that made that "deal" with Microsoft.

    "We want to go back to the “industry standard,” said Lord Mayor Dieter Reiter."

    Which the previous administration did do and the new administration did not reverse on desktops

    Clearly you didn't read my sources.

    There was no “hell no”. They adopted a few FOSS tools on Windows. Windows and MS Office remain in use. I already provided a source from June 2025, so quite recent.

    Like I said, your 2025 source does not back up your claim that all the desktops are Windows.

    You clamed there was no Microsoft migration. You claimed that any sort of Migrosoft migration is garbage misinformation.

    I never "clamed" anything. But what I said was that the declaration of LiMux being a failure, and a reverting back to Windows wholesale is false.

    You're a blatant liar.

    Apparently you are also.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Im not an expert on this, but it seems like Ms was worried that success of Limux would be the drip that starts the trickle so to speak. It made sense for them to do whatever it took to patch that leak.

    Things have really changed since then though. Valve has been very successful in a Linux end user environment, and Eu is becoming disenfranchised from the US rather than Microsoft specifically.

    I think Munich's motivations were financial, but Frances will be ideological.

    With these things in mind, the calculus has changed. That doesn't necessarily mean France won't fail, but id be surprised if Microsoft pursues them in the same way.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    While I would love to see them never going back, here in Germany, all it takes is some corrupt politician taking a huge bribe from a lobbyist and swoosh, they are back to Microslop.

    Edit: Knowing our little corrupt fuckers in charge in German politics, the bribe probably doesn't even have to be mediocre.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Munich went open source / Linux a couple of years ago, ditching Microsoft. Using a big budget to convert everything and support employees etc. It was a huge act.

    ...Then they went back to Microsoft in yet another huge act, using a big budget. And then never revealed the budget for the last one. Which is really weird, considering its public money.

    edit: just wanted to say that when idiots get power, there is always a way back. No matter how obviously stupid that would be

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