The American Prospect reported that several Democrats in closely contested districts would be voting for the ICE appropriation. “They’re terrified of being labeled anti–law enforcement,” an unnamed source told the liberal magazine. “They want this to go away so they can talk about the cost of living more. Problem is, it’s not going away.”

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[–] 63 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Democrats are so fucking stupid:

  1. ICE is no longer law enforcement (if it ever was). They are Trumps roving gang of thugs laying siege to American cities. We don’t get to exist as a free society if ICE continues to exist.
  2. Don’t fucking talk about cost of living when you tried to gaslight us that everything was fine under Biden in 2024 AND tried to bury Mamdani last fall.
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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago
    1. Especially since one of the dipshits that voted for this was Henry Cuellar, who was protected by the party against progressive challenger Jessica Cisneros. With their help, he eked out a victory in the primary of fewer than 600 votes.
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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Transferring the whole ICE budget towards universal healthcare would go a long way towards addressing cost-of-living. The Democrats, however, want to keep suckling the corporate teat.

    We need a new party, that isn't Blue nor Red. Its mission: to get rid of the Trump Regime, and to create a voting system that protects our politics from Hapsburgian inbreeding.

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    A vote for Schumer is a vote for Ted Cruz. Progressive or nothing.

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  • [–] 108 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Fucking useless party. They are complicit.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I see now why people keep saying "both sides".

    Maybe they wouldn't have started this if elected, but I'd they're happy to continue it, I don't want to see them elected ever again.

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  • [–] 46 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    This is why there's an uptick of unaffiliated Gen Z voters. They don't want the toxicity of Republicans and want to avoid the weakness of the Democrats.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (11 children)

    Been registered as Independent since 2015. I was able to choose my ballots back then so I always voted Democrat. Then I moved, same thing. Democrats may have some party members that represent my ideals - surprisingly a couple of my own State's Representatives - but the party as a whole can fuck off.

    I hope the Millenial and Gen Z populace that is politically involved can actually bring unity to the DNC, but I don't have faith when there's 1 party that's an umbrella for ideals and beliefs and 1 party that is wholly unified against non-whites and non-christians

    Edit: I remember when I went to Uni, a few people invited me to a couple TPUSA rallies because of some of my hatred towards the DNC. I remember telling them hell no, because Democrats are mostly too conservative for me, so anything TPUSA represents is just vile

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

    GenX they are all the moderators on Lemmy.world removing dissent comments and calls for action. That’s who they are. Center-right, 3 houses, great job, gonna inherit that boomer cash…. Your only hope is millennials and younger.

    Edit: X

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Some of us boomers are on your side. Not enough, but some.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I think we should just end social security and Medicare. I won’t ever get to use it at this rate so I shouldn’t have to pay into it. Let’s trim the fat.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Nice way to say, "f the generations behind us."

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Pretty sure all the generations behind me said fuck the generations in front of us. So, cry me a river grandma. ;)

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Maybe it will be around in some form or fashion, maybe it won't. While I am ok with Nietzsche, I am neither a doomer, nor a nihilist (although I have moments of weakness).

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Did you mean Gen X as gen Z is in the younger than millennial camp.

    Don't get me wrong a specific subset of Z actually did get housing and good jobs because of their parents covid money but otherwise excluding that minority it doesnt match them and overwhelmingly matches the apathetic Gen X

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    they pretty much are the same party, both of them, outside of AOC, bernie, and people zohran.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    outside of AOC, bernie, and people zohran

    These politicians are held up as the "crazy left" or whatever derogatory term the right want to use to paint the entire Democratic party, when in reality the DNC campaigns against them and does their damnedest to keep them out of positions of influence. Which is so fucking weird because they are wildly popular with their constituents.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    i think someone on here or reddit mentioned the AOCs, bernies, zohrans of the DNC are there as a release valve for any criticism against the old guard, they have them elected so they can avoid a total take over of the dnc by the "left"

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    the oldguard DNC finally showed thier true colors as gop lite.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    They have been showing their true colors since at least 2006, when they got a majority and congress went from being a rubber stamp for whatever GWB wanted to being a rubber stamp for whatever GWB wanted that made disapproving noises first.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If the Democrats are too scared then maybe it's time to go. They've been fattening themselve with corrupt money that they only know how to give up at the first resistance. There's no strategy at this point, just a buch of headless chickens.

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  • [+] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Can we get protest going outside these fuckers houses every day and night? Maybe throw some fucking rocks?

    Are you FUCKING SHITTING ME???

    every single one of the shit stains is complicit and will be tried for their cooperation with the enemy when this shit ends.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    WTF? They're concerned that voting AGAINST funding ICE would hurt their reelection? Who are they trying to impress? The 16% that think ICE is doing a good job? They should be concerned about the 84% that thinks they're going to far!

    “They’re terrified of being labeled anti–law enforcement,”

    Any Dem that is thinking like that needs to go. ICE isn't "law enforcement," they are feral hyenas, preying on our nation. They are the Homeland Security version of DOGE, and they are a scourge on our nation. Any candidate that can't make that case to their constituents, who are AGAINST ICE, is too stupid and ineffective to be a Representative. They are far more concerned about their own survival, than the survival of America. Primary them out.

    We know that MAGA is destroying America, so any Dem that isn't actively resisting them is complicit. This shouldn't even be a thing. EVERY vote on a MAGA issue is an automatic, across the board NO, by EVERY single Democrat. No exceptions should be tolerated. This is a political war, and it is imperative that Dems be as united as the MAGAs have been for years.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Democrat's spines, already known to be weak, now appear to be nothing but jello.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Shit like this is why they keep losing elections.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Schuller, Jeffries and all these people need to be primaried and need to go.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Progressive Yanks, you got to stop taking prisoners. Burn this shit down.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    Democrats ARE NOT on your side. They are the enemy. We need revolution.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    So these are the dems the centrists keep telling me to shut my mouth up and vote for.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This sounds like a great opportunity for David Hogg to enter the conversation again, supporting primarying these fuckers.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Oh man I don't think we can take another Jeffries temper tantrum about how people are making it so difficult for him to just do nothing but look professional.

    Democrats, only want to do anything when its easy and doesnt distract from profiting.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    And the non-Americans here were asking why we hated the "opposition" party so much.

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  • Lemmy losers: “we will win in the midterms”

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Yet you will get yelled at by complete morons for not supporting these assholes.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    It's time to bring out The Hook for the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries. If they won't go, drag them off them stage.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago*

    When Americans ask for the social safety nets we pay for Israelis to have were told it's "Marxism"

    We the American taxpayers pay for Israeli citizens to get free universal healthcare, a $400 payment per child per month until they are18 and free college.

    Don't worry we get a lot out of it because they are our"friends". Such good friends in fact that they funded Epstein and ghisline to run a child sex trafficking ring to blackmail our politicians. That's totally something a friend would do not a hostile foreign power that wants to bleed us dry for their imperial ambitions.

    • Tom Suozzi (New York) $369,205 from AIPAC,
    • Henry Cuellar (Texas) $2,358,894 from AIPAC,
    • Don Davis (NC) $3,768,859 from AIPAC
    • Laura Gillen (New York) $ 109,718 from AIPAC
    • Jared Golden (Maine) $1,004,505 from AIPAC
    • Vicente Gonzalez (Texas) $266,213 from AIPAC
    • Marie Glusenkamp Perez (Washington) $285,210
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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I can't wait to vote against Eric Sorensen in the primary. That guy is a real chode and has betrayed the common man at every turn.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    DINOs, old guard dems like chuck schumer nad jefferies ilk. look at which dems are in the senate that is up for re-election and primary them, its likely these 13 Dems is what schumer was protecting to end the shutdown.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    "HOUSE DEMS XYZ"

    Look inside

    1% of dems vote for policy

    sigh

    Can someone better at math than OP explain to the class how many votes are needed in the house to have a majority, and compare that to the seats held by Republicans?

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I get that, for some baffling reason, you're defending Democrats, but their other option is to reject funding and cause another government shutdown. That could be combined with the current general strike (by extending it past the Jan 30 deadline to get the government funded) to bring the whole country to a complete halt unless ICE gets the fuck out, Trump and Noem impeached / locked up, or whatever other demands the people have of their government. This would be a fantastic use of political power to enable democratic expression and improve the lives of millions of people! That being said, there's no way the Democrats will do that. Instead, they support the Republican efforts.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    This would be a fantastic use of political power to enable democratic expression and improve the lives of millions of people! That being said, there's no way the Democrats will do that. Instead, they support the Republican Corporate efforts.

    Fixed that for you.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago*

    Did you do that math on 435/2 + X Dems = bill passes? What is the magic number of Democrats that are needed for a bill to pass?

    Also, what general strike? You can declare one all day long, but if the general public doesn't even know about it, it ain't that general.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    lol yet I get yelled at by centrists for not supporting this fascists, disgusting

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Is there some rule that the news never name or link to bills & their votes so we can look up comprehensive information? It appears to be House vote 42 for H.R. 7147.

    Only the most conservative Democrats voted for this. The vast majority voted against. | Vote | All Votes | Republicans | Democrats | Blue Dog Coalition | |


    | --: | --: | --: | --: | | Yea | 220 | 213 | 7 | 4 | | Nay | 207 | 1 | 206 | 4 | | Not Voting | 4 | 4 | 0 |

    They're a big tent party with a number of factions, and Blue Dog Coalition is the most conservative caucus.

    the Democratic leadership would not seek to whip the vote, now set for Thursday

    That blame resides entirely with the leadership, not party members. This source, however, is entirely biased.

    The Democratic leadership won’t block funding for ICE because it regards both ICE and DHS as a whole as critical parts of the machinery of the capitalist state, which they, like the Republicans, uphold and support.

    ICE is already overwhelmingly funded by last year's One Big Beautiful Bill Act. Simply defeating this new bill won't cut funding.

    Trump’s persecution of immigrants is deeply unpopular, and more Americans favor abolishing ICE entirely than allowing it to continue its vicious operations, according to recent opinion polls.

    Abolishing ICE is a loser: the people still voted for immigration enforcement. Abolishing offices & agencies doesn't repeal laws people still want enforced, and whatever enforces immigration & customs regulations is logically called immigration & customs enforcement, ie, ICE. It makes as much sense as demanding abolition of all abused offices & agencies, and the Trump administration is abusing them all, especially the presidency. Should the US abolish the office of the president, too?

    Moreover, abolishing a corrupt agency doesn't end the executive's power to corrupt more agencies. This is like getting mad at the stick instead of the person beating you with it: there are a lot more sticks!

    A more logical answer here is to repeal Trump era changes, restrict the executive's authority, impeach abusive administrators. While Democrats need more liberal & progressive votes than they have to do that, the liberals & progressives are clearly voting to oppose ICE.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    It's planned in advance--they decide that they want the funding to pass and decide who will take the heat and vote for it--those in safe re-election districts, and just enough of them for it to pass. That way the rest of them can say "who me? I voted against it!" But except for maybe a few who really were opposed, the rest of them all agreed to pass the bill.

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    Of note, it doesn't matter at all what any Democrats in the House do with this vote, because Republicans hold the majority and are going to pass it regardless

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    The vote was 220 to 207, with 7 Democrats voting for it. If they voted against it would have been 213-214.

    Soooo, yeah, it fucking mattered.

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  • Ugh...

    From another article: https://time.com/7357264/ice-funding-bill-dhs-congress/

    Sen. Patty Murray of Washington, the top Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Committee, echoed that argument, warning that denying funding altogether could worsen the situation by handing Trump greater discretion through a stopgap funding law. “The hard truth,” she said, “is that Democrats must win political power to enact the kind of accountability we need.”

    Democrat politicians always think they need to win before they inspire, forgetting that they need to inspire before they win. It's so so dumb. Take a stand for your voters and for what's right, you idiots.

    I know most voted against it. I blame these seven, and Jefferies. What a disappointment he's been.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Only 7? You would've thought all of them voted for it based on the generalizations from this sub. This will certainly convince centrists to take your point of view.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah so none of them even had to vote for it. There was no downside to voting no. You could claim moral high ground and point to Rs as responsible for ICE. Anyone who voted in favor is complicit and Hakeem Jeffries is complicit for not even whipping the party to vote no across the board.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, even if this failed they had enough money from the last 70 billion to fund ICE regardless.

    However, they should have stood up to this regardless. I don't understand what their logic is. They just didn't want to deal with shitty PR I guess.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    They aren't any action and only PR. Thats all their jobs and their siblings they hire as consultants.

    Of course they only care about that. Its the only metric they measure "how happy the wealthy are"

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