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[–] 71 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 64 points 9 months ago

    Malcolm X holding an M2, looking cool as hell

    Bad trigger discipline though

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  • [–] 62 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It is hard to pick one, but this photo has always stuck with me. That is a picture from the Dust Bowl during the Great Depression.

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    [–] 61 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    First moon landing. It shows what we are capable of

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  • [+] -9 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Kubrick can make good movies.

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  • [–] 60 points 9 months ago* (19 children)

    The first photo of a black hole is the most historically significant "first photo of x" that happened in my life time and that I actually understood its historical significance when it came out. So I'd say that's probably my favourite.

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  • [+] -17 points 9 months ago (18 children)

    Not a photo.

    It's the output of an AI model trained on simulations of black holes being asked to fill in the gaps from sparse observations.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    What do you mean AI? This is an interferometric Image reconstructed from information of the very large baseline interferometer (VLBI).

    Edit: Although I wouldn't call it AI, they used machine learning (ML) with simulations in their image reconstruction, so I agree

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  • [+] 30 points 9 months ago (14 children)
  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Nah, the hivemind is being cringe as shit rn.

    Recreating an image with Ai is not the same even remotely from capturing raw data directly from a digital sensor and cranking the exposure up.

    The Ai is approximating what it sees, digital sensors are not, they don't approximate anything. It's either there or they don't see it.

    objective and subjective

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Modern phone cameras use AI to fill in the gaps in low light photos.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Its not hard to find that there are legitimate academic criticism of this 'photo'. For example here. The comparison you made is not correct, more like I gave a blurry photo to an AI trained on paintings of Donald Trump and asked it to make an image of him. Even if the original image was not of Trump, the chances are the output will be because that's all the model was trained on.

    This is the trouble with using this as 'proof' that the. Theory and the simulations are correct, because while that is still likely, there is a feedback loop causing confirmation bias here, especially when people refer to this image as a 'photo'.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    This is one team that disagrees out of many that agree.

    To explain what you are seeing. The above image is the inverse Fourier transform (FT) of different frequencies of sinus waves that compose an image.

    The very large baseline interferometer (VLBI) applied in the event horizon telescope (EHT) is using different telescopes all over the world, in a technique called interferometry, to achieve high enough resolutions to observe different frequencies in Fourier space that make up an image. If you observe all, you can recreate the full image perfectly. They did not, they observed for a long time and thus got a hefty amount of these "spatial" frequencies. Then they use techniques that limit the image to physical reality (e.g. no negative intensities/fluxes) and clean it from artefacts. Then transform it to image space (via the inverse FT)

    Thereby, they get an actual image that approximates reality. There is no AI used at all. The researchers from Japan argued for different approach to the data, getting a slightly different inclination in that image. This may well be as the data is still too few to 100 % determine the shape, but looks more to me like they chose very different assumptions (which many other researchers do not agree with).

    Edit: They did use ML for simulations to compare their sampling of the Fourier space to.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Most of what you said is correct but there is a final step you are missing, the image is not entirely constructed from raw data. The interferometry data is sparse and the 'gaps' are filled with mathematical solutions from theoretical models, and using statistical models trained on simulation data.

    Paper: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2408.10322

    We recently developed PRIMO (Principal-component Interferometric Modeling; Medeiros et al. 2023a) for in- terferometric image reconstruction and used it to obtain a high-fidelity image of the M87 black hole from the 2017 EHT data (Medeiros et al. 2023b). In this approach, we decompose the image into a set of eigenimages, which the algorithm β€œlearned” using a very large suite of black- hole images obtained from general relativistic magneto- hydrodynamic (GRMHD) simulations

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Thanks for sharing that paper. I was indeed missing that information and now agree with your earlier statement.

    I think them using magnetohydrodynamical black hole models as a base for the ML is a better approach than standard CLEAN though that the Japanese team used. However, both "only" approach reality.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    You're welcome. I think calling it the output of an 'AI model' triggers thoughts of the current generative image models, i.e. entirely fictional which is not accurate, but it is important to recognise the difference between an image and a photo.

    I also by no means want to downplay the achievement that the image represents, it's an amazing result and deserves the praise. Defending criticism and confirming conclusions will always be vital parts of the scientific method.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (2 children)

    True, ML and such fell under the umbrella term of AI before, but I feel that with most people using it mostly for LLMs (or things like diffusion models, etc.) right now, it has kinda lost that meaning to some extent...

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    @Tamo240@programming.dev and yourself.

    Having triggered this conversation off, I'll just congratulate you both on a quality discussion. I'll admit I used loose terminology in my original post, but that was mainly to get my point across to a general audience. The specificity you both went to is laudable.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Thanks, being a software engineer and working in interferometry I was familiar with some of the details - enough to want to jump in when you were getting downvoted - but I will admit I only found and read the actual paper for the first time because of this thread, as I wanted to be sure on the facts!

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I think, at best, it shows that the observations are consistent with the model, or to take it back to the blurry low light photo... The photo wasn't obviously not Trump.

    I remember reading the original paper at the time and thinking, if I had been a reviewer I'd have wanted clear acknowledgement of the confirmation bias danger in the methodology. Ideally some sort of quantification of risk. It just seemed like too large a flaw to just be glossed over.

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  • [–] 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    Deepwater Horizon sinking in the Gulf of Mexico on April 22, 2010.

    It caused an equivalent oil spill of 4.9 million barrels and exposed the surrounding wildlife to toxic materials, covering thousands of animals in oil. The cleanup efforts took years.

    A prime example of humans messing up this planet for their own gains.

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  • [–] 55 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This one really affected me. It's one of the first images from the surface of Mars. I was quite young, and it clicked in me that other planets actually exists and are out there in space.

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  • [–] 48 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    The terror of war.

    Nobody wins in war, and I hate how angry this photo makes me feel.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    True, and admirable. But the cost of winning, even if losing isn't an option, is still loss.

    So many people lost.

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    Margaret Hamilton standing next to listings of the software that she and her MIT team produced for the Apollo Project.

    The books are taller than her height

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    I love her, and the code she used is adorable:

    "LOL Memory" (Core Rope): The code was literally woven into hardware by women in factories, dubbed "Little Old Lady" memory.

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  • [–] 43 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    The self-immolation of Thich Quang Duc never fails to amaze me. It's just unreal.

    And Antonio Turok's photograph of the 1991 total eclipse of the sun in Chiapas, Mexico. This one because even when I know what an eclipse is and how does it happen, there's a moment in my head when I think "What if it never ends? What if everything stays like this forever?" I see that instant of terror in this photo.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    First time I'm seeing the second one, that's amazing, thanks for sharing.

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  • [–] 43 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    This one always makes me melancholic:

    Such a big turning point in time, captured on a photograph.

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    The "Pale Blue Dot" image of earth taken by Voyager 1. Carl Sagan pushed to have Voyager take a parting shot before they turned off the camera. The earth is about one pixel in size.

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  • [+] 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's especially crazy that this is like .001% of the sky.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Oh, it's much, much, much less than that.

    0.0000416%, 1/24 millionth of the sky.

    Here, a .gif on Reddit

    It confirmed the cosmic insignificance of Earth, the profound vastness of space and time, and β€” at the same time β€” the rarity, beauty, and fragility of life. Human perception, memory, and understanding is tiny. But, it reaches toward infinity.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago

    Earthrise

    Called "Earthrise", taken during the Apollo 8 mission in December 1968. Always tried to imagine what it was like to have had that view IRL.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Frederick Douglass by Samuel J. Miller circa 1850

    this portrait of Frederick Douglassβ€”an escaped slave who had become a lauded speaker, writer, and abolitionist agitatorβ€”is a striking exception. Northeastern Ohio was a center of abolitionism prior to the Civil War, and Douglass knew that this picture, one of an astonishing number that he commissioned or posed for, would be seen by ardent supporters of his campaign to end slavery. Douglass was an intelligent manager of his public image and likely guided Miller in projecting his intensity and sheer force of character. As a result, this portrait demonstrates that Douglass truly appeared β€œmajestic in his wrath,” as the nineteenth-century feminist Elizabeth Cady Stanton observed.

    https://www.artic.edu/artworks/145681/frederick-douglass

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    β€œWhat I have said respecting and against religion, I mean strictly to apply to the slaveholding religion of this land, and with no possible reference to Christianity proper; for, between the Christianity of this land, and the Christianity of Christ, I recognize the widest possible differenceβ€”so wide, that to receive the one as good, pure, and holy, is of necessity to reject the other as bad, corrupt, and wicked. To be the friend of the one, is of necessity to be the enemy of the other.

    I love the pure, peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ: I therefore hate the corrupt, slaveholding, women-whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land. Indeed, I can see no reason, but the most deceitful one, for calling the religion of this land Christianity. I look upon it as the climax of all misnomers, the boldest of all frauds, and the grossest of all libels. Never was there a clearer case of β€œstealing the livery of the court of heaven to, serve the devil in.”" - Frederick Douglass

    That Christianity of the land, of the South, never went away. Fredrick Douglass is only like 5~ generations away from us today and many churches have never changed from being corrupt and wicked and bad. Denying food to people cutoff by food stamps, closing their giant stadiums during floods, using their God's name to get their congregation to buy them a new private jet, and are right now, using the literal actual (orange) depiction of sloth and gluttony to hurt "the people he needs to be hurting" for them. They still celebrate their kills and there's been a surge of lynchings of black and brown folk.

    On a less dreadful note, I know one of Elizabeth Cady Stanton's descendants! I forget how many grands- there are in her lineage, but she is my favorite modern day feminist, the most badass woman I've ever met and am glad to call a friend!

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  • [–] 51 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    OP’s photo is my favorite, so I will have to mention my second favorite (though calling it a β€œfavorite” feels off).

    This photo was taken in 2003 in Iraq. This man is comforting his son. They are being held in an American camp. IIRC to this day we don’t know what happened to these two.

    I think if I had to explain the last 25 years to a time-traveler, this would be the one photo I would choose.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Neocons have been dehumanising Arabs for a very long time.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    US Liberals are still doing it to this day. One of their heroes, Obama, dropped an average of 80 bombs per day on the ME and North Africa.

    After winning the Nobel peace prize, he dropped an average of 30k bombs / year (80 per day) during his presidency, mostly on Muslim countries, 2, 3. In 2016 alone, dropped 26,171 bombs in the Middle East and North Africa, up 3000 from the previous year. The countries bombed include Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, and Somalia.

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  • [–] 46 points 9 months ago

    Free Huey is a great one:

    Maybe that time a dove landed on Fidel's shoulder during a speech right after the victory of the Cuban revolution.

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    6-year old Ruby Bridges walking to school.

    This picture was always so powerful to me. I think I had that one famous illustrated storybook about Ruby Bridges.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    On the one hand, very important photo to understand the context of the time.

    On the other hand, monstrous that a child going to school was such a big deal and so much attention was focused on her. Can't imagine that making a positive impression on a child.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    What's the context for this? What country?

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    This is in the United States, during segregation.

    The little girl in the picture is Ruby Bridges. In 1960, she was one of the first Black kids to integrate a school. In this picture, she is walking to an all-Whites school and the guards are protecting her because the racist white adults wanted to harm her just for wanting to go to school.

    Ruby Bridges is still alive today.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Thanks. Did you just expect everyone to just know this when you posted the photo?

    You guys have such a crazy history. And present.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    When federal agents were actually protecting minorities.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    All photos are historical photos. That's a lot to choose from.

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Great post and I really enjoyed the replies. Mine is of Chavez visiting Castro in 2006 in Havanna, as Castro was dying of cancer. Both men were imprisoned for a failed coup but later rose to power (Chavez democratically and Castro by revolutionary liberation of the country), and both men died in a hospital bed in their respective countries in 2013.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    and both men died in a hospital bed in their respective countries in 2013.

    A fact the US bitterly weeps about still

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    There's a good chance the US actually did kill Chavez with a slow-acting poison of some kind. You can find a lot of articles about his rapid deterioration.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    They still would have preferred him rotting at Guantanamo, isolated of his loved ones, with Juan Guaido as president of Venezuela, giving away all the oil he could to American companies. I'll take it like a win.

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    This is Emir Seyyid Mir Mohammed Alim Khan, the last Emir of Bukhara.

    The emirate existed from 1785

    This is a pre-WW1 colored photograph (1911) by Prokudin-Gorsky

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    The method for the color photos is interesting. He used three images with 3 colored filters on them. The film was black and white but when the same color was projected with them and they were added together you got the original colors.

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago*

    I have many good ones, but i think my favourite is this one:

    It's from the famous victory parade in Moscow in 24.06.1945, Japan and USSR were not at war yet, so in a truly masterful trolling stroke, Japan was invited to parade to celebrate defeat of their own allies. On the photo you can see Japanese army colonel and a navy officer (hat visible partially) congratulate marshal Zhukov while French, British and American officers are waiting in line.

    As of why, it never fail to make me smile.

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