He hasn't been the craziest one for almost four years now.
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N. Korea has 3 years to make a comedy about 2 journalist traveling to the USA to interview the President
Seriously though, the way everyone is now telling Trump what a great leader he is and praising his every action is very much like such a charicature of a leader of a totalitarian regime. The charicature we used to make fun of leaders like Kim.
It's ominous to see this happen with "the leader of the free world".
In a way he's sort of like westboro baptist church in the states. Once universally despised now outdone by more crazy and sort of forgotten about
I’m from Topeka, home of Westboro. One year, the protested my high school band concert
You are so right. Even in my home town, they are a small nuisance compared Trump. Part of that has to do with the patriarch of the cult dying in 2014, but part of it is absolutely because Trump is crazier and more nonsensical than they are. And that’s saying something.
Hello, neighbor to the south. I remember Kevin Smith managed to get one of Shirley's daughters out of the cult and I think the other daughter left as well
(°▽°)/ Howdy!
Megan and Grace Phelps-Roper did leave in 2012. Megan I has taken on a more prominent role in activism since leaving.
I don’t know if Kevin Smith is the reason she left, but they did frequently debate on Twitter while she was still with the church. He made a movie, Red State (2011) which upset the church so they got into it a lot online and when he toured the area.
After she left the church, he was very supportive of it. I know he interviewed on a podcast a few times, but I haven’t heard those.
I really hope someone in thigh-high striped socks takes one for the team and makes out with someone in front of the Westboro protesters in Kansas. I also really hope someone builds a Unitarian Universalist church near the site of the Westboro church.
The wbc has seen every funny, clever, disgusting, and even abhorrent trolling attempt you could possibly imagine. Someone literally bought the house across the street from them years ago and painted it in the colors of the pride flag. Ultimately the church/family is run by lawyers so they would also catalog the more troubling stuff like death threats too. Before the modern era culture wars they were a group that essentially everyone hated. They’re a hardcore Baptist denomination preaching hate so that alienates your leftists and libs, generally, and they took the attitude of “dead soldiers are gods punishment for America allowing lgbt stuff, 9/11 was a gift from god, etc” which alienated the overwhelming majority of the conservative crowd too so they got hate from every angle.
The proper thing to do is continue to let them fade into obscurity. The best thing that ever happened to them was the lawsuits about freedom of speech and the continued media coverage related to their ridiculous messaging. They weren’t stupid either; they recognized 99.99% of the people watching them on cnn or whatever would write them off as extremist kooks. But if 10 million people watch that interview? That 0.01% leave 1,000 potential new members to the flock, with those numbers. And this is where the growth was seen: peak membership was in the era preceding Phelps death, and its waned since. The brainwashed family members are primarily what you see in the time preceding and after (though not exclusively, some people who joined stayed and some family have broken free).
As always, the best way to deal with a troll is ignoring and certainly not giving said troll media exposure to an audience of millions to help them recruit.
Anything that could have been legally done to troll and harass them has already been done through the years. There used to be a sub dedicated to trolling them on reddit way back in the day. Back when reddit was used for good and not supporting fascists
Didn't Fred try to admit that he was wrong in doing all the shit that he did on his deathbed trying to get right with God ? whatever fuck that pussy. Caused untold suffering to how many fucking people and then he wants to fucking apologize on his dead bed what a fucking coward.
I have never heard rumors of him repenting in anyway. I think it’s safe to say, he’s burning in hell if you believe in that.
Memories hazy but if memory serves the family clan sort of split in half because of him doing that. Shirley is still doing it. But I know Kevin for sure got one her kids out and I think even helped her financially with a safe place to stay. Yea red state is a good flick.
Ya Shirley is a fucking psychopath. She has been the most vocal one of them all for a long time.
There’s a lot of stuff they do that most people don’t even know about.
Back when schools still used fax machines, they would send real heinous stuff pretty much every day. They were harassing children.
They were always protesting somewhere in Topeka. As a kid, my parents always told us not to look at them.
I don’t hear much about them now, I don’t live there anymore but I have a lot of family there. I don’t even see WBC out protesting when I visit.
Kim Jong Un is batshit crazy, but he does know the extent of his power. His power doesn't reach much further than North Korea itself, and if he tries anything that might piss off China, he backs off. Trump has no such restrictions, he can do whatever the hell he wants, and does.
The general principle in international relations for the past 100 years is that if you kill your own people, nobody really gives a shit. If you start killing other people, well then that's when other countries start taking notice.
Genuinely can’t tell if that’s real or an edit lmao
You can’t tell if Trump is dropping in on a bowl in the DMZ on the Korean border? Lmao I love that.
More like I wouldn’t put it past him to have posed for this pic. I don’t think he’s actually skateboarding lol
Trump is jealous that he still has to poop, unlike Glorious Leader Kim Jong.
They are awfully close, though. Both in scale of insanity and in affection for each other.
Give him the same wealth and military power as Trump has, then he will end the world...
I wouldn’t call trump crazy. Senile? Yes. Dumb? Yes. Overly prideful? Yes. Bigoted? Yes. Crazy? No. He’s just beholden to nothing and no one relevant to our perspectives.
Senile and has dementia could loosely be called crazy.
He is old af, in diapers and talking to the yard about his ballroom while in meetings. He's lost it occasionally and sundowns occasionally. He is not up for the job.
He is not up for the job.
Totally agree, but i'd say he is sane. It's just that he has a different sense of what is normal, a different view on what is morally okay and priorities that are different than those of the average politician. But being crazy is imo different than doing something crazy. I think you could actually do a lot of crazy things without actually being crazy, which is how i see what is happening in the US gov.
Didn't he want to nuke a hurricane, back in like 2017? After someone told him that just changing the expected course with an expo market on a map doesn't actually do anything?
That's like first-grader logic and problem solving right there. I don't even know if it is true but the fact that it could be tells you everything you need to know about his mental capacity...
I’m not a psychiatrist but I can take a look.
From what I know of some people around me, I think Trump really is mentally ill. Those people usually can’t see what is reality to other people and they live in a reality what others can’t understand. We can make a jokes about his behavior and comments, but we have to understand that what he says and does is not a joke to him, it’s reality where he lives.
I agree that he is dumb and senile and all that, but he definitely is a mentally unstable and ill too. And this makes him and his cult very dangerous to not only the people of US, but also to all the world.
His actions are more directed than he immediately appears. He receives political support for his seemingly inane actions, monetary support for his atrocities, stacks politics in his favor through debasement. He’s not politically savvy or crazy, he’s just willing to use the tools afforded to him in ways that most people would reasonably consider to be major violations by every conceivable definition.
He incarcerates and deports statistically oppositional citizens to prevent them from voting against him. He steals money because he’s certain no one will stop him. He sells the US to donors to maintain his base of support.
He’s not all there in the head, but is clear headed enough to seem somewhere between “he really shouldn’t be driving anymore” and “it’s good that he can still do his hobbies.”
TLDR: he’s just old, coddled, dumb, awful, and maneuvering politically in ways that benefit only him and like 60 other people. Still sane, for now
ITT: western chauvanism
he was never as crazy as putin, or trump. Kim held on a leash by CHINA, XI.
Putin was and is not crazy, do not make this mistake. Vile, murderous, clinging to power, corrupt, immoral - all yes. Bit he is very rational in his own way. So is Kim, I think, but I do lack info here.
Trump, on the other hand, does look properly crazy now. And that is my last hope for this world, that he finally shows it in a clinical way and americans wake up before this is all over for us.
daaaaamn.... that's true his crazy is actually kinda measured and controlled in a way, unlike trump, who's just an off the rails maniac
Never was.
Idk man, I'm no fan of the whole Kim cult of personality thing. But anyone with a cursory understanding of modern Korean history could see that the foreign policy actions of the DPRK are largely quite rational, if also informed by the trauma of the Korean war.
The United States dropped so many bombs that Koreans took to living in caves. American pilots complained that there simply wasn't anything left to bomb.
I think what's actually cringe is sitting on your computer and being a smug prick about it
What a load of steaming bullshit lmao
Nothing about the current North Korean regime or the Kim dynasty is in any way, shape, or form logical, rational, or justified. The Kims are unhinged tyrants who have fucked over their entire country to give themselves power.
The very notion that war "trauma" leads to totalitarian regimes like this is nonsense made up by Marxists to justify the existence of this indefensible regime. There have been soooooooo many countries that went through war since WWII and were devastated by it, and none turned out like this.
America went crazy over planes flying into a couple towers and started two wars over it. Now imagine it was every building in the country.
That's a creatively disingenuous way to describe 9/11
Sorry, there was also a plane that hit a pentagonal building, and one that hit a field. Still not much compared to having your entire country bombed to rubble.
Once again, that's a very disingenuous way to describe 9/11
First of all, 9/11 was and still is the biggest and deadliest terrorist attack in modern history. Nothing comes close in terms of death toll or scale. 9/11 was and still is the single biggest attack on US soil since the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor during WWII. It was so unprecedented that it left the world's wealthiest, most advanced, most powerful did in complete disarray.
The Al Qaeda terrorists managed to successfully infiltrate the US mainland, hijack 4 civilian planes from an American airport, and crashed them all at targets meant to damage the country's national symbols. Even though one of the planes failed to hit the target thanks to the heroic acts of the passengers on board, they still managed to crash a plane into the Pentagon and 2 planes that destroyed the WTC, killing over 3000 civilians.
It was shocking, so horrible, and so insane that virtually every country at the time expressed condolences and support to the vicitms. Even America's enemies at the time like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea condemned the attacks. There were vigils held in over 100 countries. In the nearly 25 years since then, the only events that received a similar level of global condemnation was ISIS during 2014/15 and Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022. That's about it.
9/11 was not a minor event by any means like you're trying to make it out to be. The fact that you're trying to downplay what it was just shows that you're 100% engaging in bad faith from the get go.
Second of all, the only two active wars that US has engaged in since then. There was the Afghanistan war started in 1999, which was done because of 9/11 because the Taliban worked with Bin Laden and refused to extradite him to the US when asked. There was also the Iraq war which was done under the false pretense that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, it wasn't started over 9/11.
When countries get attacked by terrorist like this, they usually attack back very hard and very quickly. When India had Pahalgam attack back in April, they nearly went to war with Pakistan. When Israel was attacked by Hamas, they bulldozed Gaza. When France got attacked by ISIS they become the leaders on the fight against ISIS. When Russia got attacked by Chechen separatists, they want to war with Chechnya. No country is going to sit idly when a massive terrorist attack by an external entity is carried out against them. The US is no different.
Finally, there have been A LOT of countries since the Korean war that have been devastated by war. You have Iraq, Ukraine, Yemen, Vietnam, Cambodia, Lebanon, Somalia, Syria, and the list goes on and on. Yet not a single one of them ended up being as shutoff as North Korea. Even countries that were completely burnt down like Japan and Germany managed to recover after WWII just a decade prior to the Korean war starting.
The point is that this idea that "war trauma" is the reason why North Korea turned out to be the way that it is complete horseshit and has zero basis in reality. If that was the case then half the world would be as isolated, extremist, and tyrannical as North Korea... but they're not. The reality is this notion is nothing more than piss poor excuse to justify the evils of this regime from people who are unironically dump enough to support it. There's nothing rational, logical, or sensible in the way that North Korea is run today.
It's so closed off that people their can't visit their relatives in the South, people can't travel abroad, they can't even access the internet. The people there are just as clueless about the world as we are about them. Our only source on the society there is from defectors who made the brave journey of escaping, and all of their stories consistently describe the most horrific shit happening inside the country. From slavery to starvation to torture to pure 1984 styled tyranny. How is that okay to you? What part of this regime or how its run makes sense to you? It's indefensible
2 buildings vs. all of them. Incomparable.The rabid dog genocidaires of the United $naKKKes will assuredly be punished for their crimes
Last I checked the Korean war didn't happen because of 9/11, it happened because North Korea, which was funded and armed by the Soviet Union, invaded South Korea with the intent of occupying the whole peninsula by force against the will of the people in the South. The US intervened on the behalf of the legitimate government of Korea, and pushed pack the Kim Il Sung's invasion back to the 38th parallel. Because of America's intervention. South Korea managed to transform itself from an impoverished and backwards dictatorship into one of the world's freest, most prosperous, most advanced nations. North Korea on the other hand remained an impoverished and backwards dictatorship that only managed to get worse because the Kim dynasty put their people through a massive famine and some of the world's worst tyranny.
If you're going to sit here and try to unironically simp for fucking North Korea of all places then kindly go fornicate yourself with a lead pipe.
You're extremely mistaken regarding the Korean war. The South was not the "legitimate government" of Korea, it was an American-installed dictatorship made up of collaborators from the previous Japanese occupation. The North had a much greater claim to being the legitimate government, and Kim Il Sung, having fought the Japanese rather than being a collaborator, would have won nationwide elections had the American occupation allowed them.
The 38th parallel was not an internationally recognized border, and didn't become one until after the war. It was just the demarcation between the two occupation zones. South Korea made plenty of incursions into the North before the war, it's just that the North pulled the trigger on an all-out invasion, and they had every right to do so given that half of their country was occupied by a hostile imperial power.
Nobody's "stanning" North Korea, you dolt. We're talking about history, and the history is that the United States pursued a campaign of genocidal terror-bombing against North Korea, destroying every city, town, and piece of civilian infrastructure. They used biological weapons developed by Imperial Japan's Unit 731, they doused villages full of people with napalm. It is in no way inaccurate to say that it was a war of extermination that you undertook against them. To top it off, after the armistice, you imposed a perpetual economic siege and military encirclement, in their eyes threatening to resume hostilities at any time. Is it any wonder that they would end up "sooo craaaazy and evil"? All I said was that the US went a lot crazier per building destroyed than they did.
Most of your claims are either misleading or outright false. I'll just go through the main ones:
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Legitimacy of governments: Neither Korean state emerged from nationwide self determination, but between the two, South Korea was way more legitimate. It was recognized by the United Nations in 1948 following UN supervised elections. Those elections were limited to the South because the Soviet Union refused to permit UN observers in the North. North Korea’s government was established under direct Soviet occupation, with Kim Il Sung selected and installed by Moscow. This is not disputed by historians.
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Kim Il Sung and elections: There is no evidence that Kim Il Sung would have won free, nationwide elections. This is pure speculation. Kim was not a dominant national figure in 1945, and the North itself never allowed free elections. Opposition parties were eliminated early, including before the war. Claiming inevitable electoral victory is propaganda, not history.
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38th parallel: You're correct that the 38th parallel was not an official border before the war. It was just the line of demarcation between U.S. and Soviet occupation zones in 1945, but after the war, the armistice did establish it as a de facto border.
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Border incursions: There were border clashes and provocations by both sides before 1950. That does not change the fact that North Korea launched a full scale, planned invasion on June 25, 1950, using tanks, artillery, and coordinated divisions with Soviet equipment and Stalin’s approval. This is established by Soviet archival evidence. Calling this justified or defensive is an ideological claim, not a factual one.
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Bombing and “genocide”: The U.S. bombing campaign was devastating and caused enormous civilian suffering. That is true. What is false is calling it genocide. There was no policy or intent to exterminate Koreans as a people. At the same time, your account omits that North Korean and Soviet backed forces carried out extensive atrocities in the South, including mass executions of civilians, political prisoners, and suspected opponents. Brutality in the war was not one sided.
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Biological weapons: The claim that the U.S. used biological weapons derived from Unit 731 is false. These allegations originated from North Korean and Chinese wartime propaganda and have been discredited. No credible documents or physical evidence supports them, and post Cold War archival research confirms they were fabricated.
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Postwar “siege”: What siege? 2/3 of the borders that North Korea has are with its allies, Russia and China. It has maritime access to both of them. There's NOTHING stopping North Korea from trading with other countries, the Kim dynasty actively chooses to keep it to a bare minimum even if it comes at the comes of their citizens' well being because they want total control.
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Threatening to resume hostilities: You sure got things backwards. The reason why the U.S. has a continued military presence in South Korea is because the South Korean government requests it and pays for it. Why? Because the US military acts as the ultimate deterrent to prevent North Korean hostilities. North Korea still actively threatens North Korea with nukes, invasions, and they also occasionally do some minor attacks. For all intents and purposes, the Korean war never ended and no formal peace agreement was signed. The reason for this because North Korea refuses to proceed with talks in good faith.
You are so wrong because you consistently replace documented facts with ideological framing. You treat speculation as evidence, erase Soviet responsibility, excuse a war of conquest, and repeat debunked propaganda. That is not historical analysis. I'm talking history, you're not. Not to mention that your entire thesis here doesn't even answer the central question of this whole conversation, which is why does North Korea have insane levels of tyranny? I'm saying it's a result of the Kim dynasty's evil and greed as other war torn countries did not end up being this locked, isolated, and totalitarian. It is entirely unjustified and the regime is to blame. You, on the other hand, are saying that their tyranny it's because of war that stopped being hot 70 years ago and 9/11. You're not a serious person and that's not a serious stance.
"The reason why the U.S. has a continued military presence in South Korea is because the South Korean government requests it and pays for it." Imagine how cucked you'd have to be to pay for your own occupation force voluntarily, God damn.
Nobody’s “stanning” North Korea, you dolt. We’re talking about history
Remember when you wrote this? Yeah, it turns out I was completely right and you are full of shit lmao.
Imagine how cucked you’d have to be to pay for your own occupation force voluntarily,
Occupation is when a country's democratic government works with its allies to protect its sovereignty, which has brought the nation unprecedented levels of prosperity, peace, and freedom from a tyrannical regime who frequently threatens its existence. You're an actual idiot.
Like what is even the point of this comment? You don't seem to follow what the topic is anymore. You don't even have a point to make. The reality is that you're just butthurt that I called out the North Korean regime for what it is. I made an extremely obvious and true statement, and you got mad it at and so you tried to counter reality with a series of propaganda diarrhea comments that you tried to hide under the guise of "discussing history". When bullshit claims got so thoroughly debunked, your true form of a seething brain dead ideologue has come to reveal itself, and this is what you really are.
You have no sources, no logic, no facts, no explanations, no points, nothing. You're so brain dead and so brainwashed that it literally doesn't matter how valid or true my statements are, you will forever continue to double down on a false ideological narrative and will continue to shit out these nonsensical comments like a bot until I give up. Like seriously, is there any chance in hell you would ever see sense and have your mind changed? I know there isn't. Luckily, I've talked to one too many of your type to know where this is going. Therefore, it's wise for me to bow out now because there is no value left in this discussion. You simply don't deserve another reply, so have a good day.
Calm down, Ben shapiro
It's one thing to say that the history of the DPRK is unfortunate and that whatever happened shouldn't have, it's also another to say that whatever their handling of the situation, no matter how poor, corrupt or unhumanitarian is therefore justified.
Perhaps not justified, universally, but I'm not going to make a sweeping generalization one way or another. Reliable information about internal DPRK dynamics is difficult to come by anyway, when you have to sift through defecors paid by South Korea to make their accounts more shocking, and made up nonsense about haircuts
For the things we do have solid evidence for, namely DPRK foreign policy, You have to take these things on a case by case basis, and place them in their proper historical and political context.
Going around and calling the DPRK a crazy rogue states is at best ignorant of the contributing factors, and at worst actively racist and orientalist.
He was never
He never bombed a foreign country for oil
He is not a pedophile
He doesnt fund genocide
He doesnt stage coup and military dictatorship leading to brutal civil wars
He is better than almost all murican presidents.
Yeah only imprisoned his people for watching Squid Game. Definitely not insane
Oh don't forget the part about murdering their families as well!
I mean did he do that? Or did radio free asia just say he did that? Those are wildly different things.
So that you can point out how actually it's just CIA propaganda? I'm all too familiar with your game, so I'm not playing
He is not a pedophile
That we know of. That's because we don't know anything about him.
He doesnt fund genocide
He inherited a domestic genocide, and kept it going. That's only true if your definition of "fund" excludes he using the money himself.
Domestic genocide? Are we being fr? There is difference between suppressing dissent and genocide
Was it him or his dad that had a standing order of several pallets worth of Crown Royal every month? I remember that we knew that about one of them.
He never was. Most of what you've read about North Korea was made up wholesale.

Like toting a 10k Gucci bag while almost half the populace are in need of humanitarian aid?
What? Those Gucci bags are sold on local markets for 5$. Most people don't even know what that insignia is
Thanks for the contextless pictures of some unidentified person carrying bags. Definitely not proving my point.
A quick google search returned:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Yo_Jong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choe_Son-hui https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyon_Song-wol
https://m.sedaily.com/NewsView/29UQSGPQJW
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God forbit politicians own bags.
That wasn't my point.
My point was "these women are not unidentified". Which was the claim.
But classic move of your end.
No the point was to throw shit at North Korea. All you've done is shown pics of some politicians. Congrats.
What a load of horse crap. Same old deflecting bullshit from the tankie camp
You're the one deflecting because you can't back up your claims.
You even refused to do so because you know the only evidence you could provide comes from CIA backed propaganda and you'd rather live in your fantasuly land than develop critical thinking skills.


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