Wine 11.0 arrives with a year of development work, more than six thousand changes, and broad improvements across graphics, WoW64 compatibility, gaming, and system performance. From Vulkan and Direct3D tweaks to new Wayland desktop features and better device support, this release marks a confident leap forward for Windows application support on Linux.

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[–] 115 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Still one of my favourite WTF moments for Windows.
Whats in the System32 folder? 64 bit dlls. Whats in SysWOW64? 32 bit dlls.

Yes I know that WOW64 stands for WindowsOnWindows64 but its still hilariously misleading.

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  • [–] 73 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Everything about windows is misleading. There are windows settings that require doing some sort of an windows inception where you open one settings to go deeper into an older version of the same settings to go deeper into an even older version of the same settings until you reach something that was designed for Windows 98 and actually works. With every newer windows version the settings become only more and more convoluted. Thank god I've switched to Linux as my daily driver.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    The problem of graphical settings. Needs more work, quickly gets confusing, ages badly. A fine .cfg from 1980 is still a fine .cfg now. It's place in the FS hierarchy might have changed but that's not a concern of the .cfg.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There's really no excuse, proper project management would have replaced the UI and verified the new version included all the old functionality, organized well together with whatever new functionality they added. I think they were trying to keep old hats happy with the changes by letting them keep their old version, but it's better to just rip the band-aid off if you're gonna change it, now it's a mess for everyone.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I mean, could you trust a company that created a Linux container subsystem for Windows and named it Windows Subsystem for Linux to name things correctly?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Windows has subsystems. They're called Windows Subsystems. This one's for Linux. However you slice it, the initialism has to have WS in it.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    People do not realize that Windows has, and has had, other subsystems. So the name seems dumb.

    When you realize that as far back as 1993 there was:

    • subsystem for Win32
    • subsystem for POSIX
    • subsystem for OS/2

    then Subsystem for Linux does not seems as crazy.

    Having “for Windows” at the end sounds natural if you only have one but putting saying “Windows subsystem for” makes more sense when you realize there are a bunch of them.

    Regardless, the decision was made 30 years ago and not recently as people assume.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    "Linux on Windows Subsystem" or "Windows Subsystem: Linux" or "Lin4Win" anything would be better

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    It's not the 'Linux on' subsystem, it's the 'Linux on Windows' subsystem, so it'd have to be Linux on Windows Windows Subsystem, which would be silly. It can't have a colon in it as some command-line tools take a subsystem as an argument, and traditionally, Windows command-line tools have used colons the same way Unix has used equals, i.e. to separate an argument name from its value, and parsing that gets harder when you're expecting colons in the value, too.

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  • [–] 64 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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    Stahp, my games already perform better on linux with wine then they did on windows at this rate…

    Actually please keep going !!!

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Already downloaded and built it on Slackware.

    Was able to get Fallout 3 running on it without mods or community patches. Working fairly well, as long as its run windowed fullscreen I can tab out and back without it crashing.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Fallout 3

    I remember playing Fallout 3 through wine on my Macbook Pro ages ago, it worked ok but crashed often. Well, given the circumstances it was more than good enough.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It crashed a lot when I played it on windows too. I tried playing it a couple of times, but always gave up partway through because it kept crashing. There are some mods that are supposed to help with stability, I should try it again and see if they fix it.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    are you using -current or 15.0?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    -current

    Updated it right before I built Wine.

    Using the Steam release of Fallout 3 goty. Created a clean wine prefix, configured it for Windows 7. Installed .Net 3.5 sp1 and Visual C++ runtimes for 2008 and 2010 just in case. Installed latest DXVK with winetricks. Modified the system.reg with regedit to add key and string for the installed path.

    After that I was able to run the Launcher, set it to windowed and launch it.

    Have spent about 5 hours so far on current play through. Has crashed a couple of times.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    I read that as Windows 11 at first and I was confused to see that Microsoft actually updated the kernel code.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Still waiting on the improvements to BACKSTREET_BOYS to get merged.

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Does wine 11 support copilot?

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  • [–] 46 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    You’ll need to wait for Wine 12 Copilot Plus edition featuring Clippy.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    featuring Clippy

    Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series
    & Knuckles

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Sorry, haven't you heard the news?

    It's Copointe from the Copilot May Cry+ franchise now. Microsoft rebranded it.

    Sega will be renamed to Zune.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Sega isn't owned by Microsoft, is it? Last I remember it's owned by Sammy.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago*

    There's no merger or acquisition off the table from us regulations right now.

    Just wait until your S90Copilot+ is showing you popup notifications from your Copilot Washer and Copilot Dryer.

    Before you know it... copilot.ml

    This message brought to you by Pepsi. Did you realize our formula was created by Copilot? That's why it tastes so great and is the world's #1 beverage!

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Wine has saved my classic gaming expeirience. I was about to spend hundreds to get my old windows xp computer new hard drives and adapters for the IDE, etc.

    Then i screwed around with wine and installed my first game and it plays better than windows. Linux for life!

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Anyone knows if vsts work in this version?

    My wine is currently being helt at version 9.21 due to some bugs in newer versions.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    While I don't specifically know about version 11 (EDIT: now I do!), but I've been running windows daw + vst's on wine 9-10.?? for ages. Using Renoise + bunch of different vst's (mix of vst2 and vst3), all of them seem to work just fine. I did have to install dxvk to the wineprefix to get the ui of some plugins to work, but they do work fine(ish) with it.

    Now, the thing I have NOT tested is ilok drm. So far I've managed to do with plugins which don't use it.

    I see wine 11 is already in my distro's testing repos. Aggressive waiting starts.

    edit: for clarification, preset dropdown menu's from one specific plugin vendor (solemntones) vst's needs to be click/dragged the right way, otherwise they seem to not work. Bit annoying, but otherwise my plugins work.

    edit: seems to work just as well on wine 11. But sample size = me & my vst/vsti's.

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    I've set it to 16ms in renoise, not 100% how accurate that is but audio doesn't crackle and jamming on vsti's doesn't seem to have noticeable input delay. I don't have any actual instruments to test.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    16ms would be too laggy to play actual instruments sadly, is it possible for you to set it to 4ms?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    apparently renoise doesn't allow values less than 5ms... which also seems to work just fine, huh.

    ASIO doesn't seem to want to work, and it doesn't do anything for me anyway, I've been more than kontent with the DirectSound (I have no idea what wine 9/10/11 does with it under the hood, plays fine through pipewire & my virtual devices) - and renoise isn't really a traditional daw anyway, it can record instruments for sure, but it's more of a old-skool tracker with vst/vsti and daw-like automation.

    edit: "kontent".. my kde-isms peaking through. heh.

    edit2: ffwiw: when I last used renoise on this same machine on win10, I absolutely could not have set the latency below 20ms, even a single instrument of any kind would immediately crackle.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I imagine some vsts do not play nice with low latency but I use low latency piano vsts (kontakt, Ravenscroft 275)

    In pipewire I had to use Jack to lower the latency as pulse and alsa were too laggy for playing instruments

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago*

    Broke (cause you have to pay): Win11

    Woke: Wine11

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Would love to see work on getting broader application support like for microsoft office.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    this is always going to be the toughest as the developer is known for not wanting their things to work or be compatible even with standards they publish.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Office 2010 is all you really need. Hell Microsoft is trying to make everything electron apps anyway. So we'll get full (current year) office running on Linux soon, for better or for worse.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I have been doing fine with libre office. I mostly do doc and send as pdf. If they ask for word format I save it as such and send it to them. spreadsheet and slides I don't share. Granted at workplaces I use whatever they give me to use on my work machine.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Linux gaming? I just play HKIA on my macbook

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I wonder if this will work on Debian 12. I need a version of excel to work (for VBA) and it's a bit slow in Gnome Boxes.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Can’t wait to try steam and see what games can play. Been having a hard time trying to get anything to work.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    really? my games just work. 3 years ago i still had to invest time into debugging/tweaking, just last month i installed 3 random games from my steam library and they all just worked out of the box.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    My setup is a Mac M4 Max with wine and or crossover out of the box. Maybe I didn’t config it before using?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I know macs are a little more different than normal arm CPUs with page size etc. Don't you need fex or box64?

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    The Mac ecosystem has its own set of tooling for this. It uses Apple’s Rosetta 2 for x86 to ARM translation, and their Game Porting Toolkit (GPTK) for DX12 to Metal (Apple’s proprietary graphics API) translation.

    (Should note that Asahi doesn’t have full support for M4 Macs yet so I’m assuming they’re on MacOS)

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Anyone know if this can already be updated to with home brew on Mac,

    I use wine for Sumatrapdf

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    [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    That image is so cute though, tux picnicking in the windows countryside.

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