Yup.

Other nations came to our aid, and sacrificed soldiers, for the U.S. after 9/11.

And now American conservatives are mocking and threatening those allies after what they did for us.

It's sickening.

I say conservatives, not Americans, because I don't consider conservatives to be Americans anymore. They don't align with American values. They don't respect our Constitution. And they certainly don't respect our allies.

It seems like there is no mechanism to kick a country out like that. What's more likely is that NATO will be de facto dissolved immediately, but this doesn't stop allied countries from working together anyway. If the Trump administration thinks that NATO is the only thing holding alliances together, I think they will be uncomfortably surprised.

Personally I think the real decision makers in the Trump administration actually want war, or at the very least don't care if they get it. We should just cut them off from everything. Make them react. I'm sick of playing the game. Just shit or get off the pot.

Crushing our economy and cutting trade is the real weapons that should be used

Just stop trade, we don't make anything here we use directly. If we do try to make things here, you end up with smarter every day's $100 grill scraper.

In a couple of weeks target/walmart will be empty

immediately all fruit/veggies in the winter will increase in price 10 fold.

We're already on the edge of a recession.

not all. make it so that it can still be worse for them if the need arises. useful for negotiations

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think an issue with that is that there isn't a mechanism for kicking a country out; the US would have to choose to leave. So more likely the allied nations would have to reform a new agreement which has its own red tape.

The alliance would just kick the US out.

The alliance was created to guarantee US hegemony over Europe. It's predicated on dozens of US bases, US administered logistics routes, US contractors, US arms dealers, US surveillance.

You can't remove the US any more than you can tear out your own heart.

Europe will need to completely retrofit how it handles internal security. And - especially after Brexit - I just don't see the necessary level of cohesion between the members, absent a totalitarian hegemon like the Americans forcing Europeans together.

Such is the point. There's a reason Donnie started his first term so aggressively picking fights with Canada and Norway. Fulfilling Putin's wish.

Also diverts attention from Ukraine.

Not sure where you get the feeling that the attack would be tolerated by the EU or Canada. What does tolerated mean to you?

All conservatives can do is break things.

Can't build.

Only break.

Like a poorly raised child.

thats PUTIN's biggest wetdream, plus its probably vladmir telling him now is the time.

NATO is outward facing. It can't handle internal conflict.

We already tested this when Turkiye and Greece began militarizing in the Aegan Sea back in the 1970s. They've grown progressively more hostile for decades, with a number of barely averted military engagements.

The agreement would continue to have meaning with respect to external entities - African, Middle Eastern, Russian, and Chinese conflicts. But all the member states can do is roll over (or actively facilitate territory seizure) when they're threatened by their largest member

Trump says a lot of things.

Most of the time what he means is "please just stop talking about the Epstein files".