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[–] 96 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

I'd be unemployed and in trouble, but sometimes I do wish a gigantic solar storm would cut off the internet for a year. Humanity needs the reset. Please stop shoving Wi-Fi into every device.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Things that can be wifi: my light switches and anything that might’ve had an analog timer back in the day. Anything critical? You can buy an analog sensor that will beep if it’s out of limits, like a freezer alarm.

    The rest can f right off.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Light switches can also not be wifi. Hell, id personally prefer them not to

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I only use hardwired Ethernet for my light switches

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I was being ironic, I am not aware of any such device

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Damn, I had slight hopes such a thing existed

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  • [–] 92 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    And they'll probably shut down the AI servers in a few years for cost reduction making the whole thing a huge waste of money.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    probably shut down the AI servers in a few years for cost reduction making the whole thing a huge waste of money.

    It's like you've seen the Portal video chat units. (What a beautiful piece of hardware)

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  • [–] 86 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Have you ever seen the commercials from late 1800s where there is the word "electricity" in everything. Electrotherapy for every ill and electric solution for every type of drudgery, electrolyte drinks and whatnot. Same came with discovery of radioactivity. Radium drinks for long life and all that. AI is the modern buzzword for the modern snakeoil salesman.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I remember a story my Dad told me. His boss comes in and goes "we need a computer" (this was the 80s). He asked "why". He couldn't answer.

    AI now is like that, except when someone asks "why", they get fired and the boss slams it in anyway. It doesn't make the product better or even more attractive. Dell has admitted that and is the only company to admit that. At best it's a shite search engine that's being forced on everyone against their will.

    AI chat bots should be OPTIONAL, not forced onto people against their will. At best it's a shitty search engine, at worse it is a slop machine.

    Only practical solution I can think of for an AI chatbot is an optional voice mode where you can go to, say, a ticket machine and be all "hey, cheapest fare to Dundee" or something and it gives you it, but that can be done without fucking the environment and eating all the ram by just having better UI design.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    AI chat bots are actually a useful workaround for shitty web uis now. When you don't know which icon is hiding the thing you want, you can just ask the AI to do it for you.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago
    1. I wonder how many enemies Dell made with that lol
    2. AI chatbots work as customer side if implemented well (if chatbot does not have options, it won't work well) and if customers don't knee-jerk into repeating they want human without checking it's options first (which, understandably, came from dealing with badly implemented chatbots). Their search is quite alright for polling public opinions (useful for example if you are lazy and wanna find overall popular film from some genre - it can summarise reddit, google, few review sites and spit the effects at you).

    I know, I know. We are anti-AI here. But please, don't be simply cynic. This tech has it's uses, but is so badly used across everything that it's hard not to be negative of it.

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  • [–] 169 points 10 months ago (35 children)

    Samsung said in response that “a trade show floor is naturally very different from a consumer’s home environment. Our Bespoke AI experiences are designed to simplify decisions around the home, making life more convenient and enjoyable.”

    The South Korean tech giant also said “security and privacy are foundational” to the AI experiences in the fridge.

    They deserve to sell none of their shitty fridges.

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  • [–] 128 points 10 months ago* (13 children)

    This is the same Samsung that sold fridges with giant LCD screens on them, ostensibly to help the buyer, but then later turned that expensive screen into a billboard showing ads to the fridge buyer in their kitchen (source). Samsung has shown who they are. Anyone that buys an AI fridge from them will have no one to blame but themselves.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    I feel like the problem here is that you get people who are curious or like the other features the fridge has and just get what they can when theirs goes out. And while, sure, those people learn not to do that again, by that point the industry used that sales data as a "they must like it, lets do it across the board!" Instead of asking people or taking anything else into account when figuring out what products to continue making.

    In 10 yrs when those fridges die and people who "learned their lesson" go to buy a new fridge, there will be zero fridges without AI because marketing thought thats why they bought it and no one has any ability to buy a non-AI fridge anymore.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I think you are giving people too much credit. Lots of people have a budget they can spend on appliances (like a credit line) and they get the best (most expensive) one they can get on that budget. Others will do the opposite and get the cheapest but only people like you find on Lemmy (Linux users for instance) in my experience will make a choice in the middle based on feature set.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I went with the middle dish washer and it has tuned out to be a series of planned obsolescence repairs. I’m handy enough to do them all, but I know it’s just a matter of time.

    We’re on year six (it had a 5 year warranty). I’m determined to make it last until 10 at least.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    In 10 yrs when those fridges die and people who “learned their lesson” go to buy a new fridge

    That's more like two years for Samsung fridges, where the designers and builders spend all of their time on fancy horseshit and ignore basic requirements like "keep the food cold".

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    I feel like the problem here is that you get people who are curious or like the other features the fridge has and just get what they can when theirs goes out. And while, sure, those people learn not to do that again,

    Part of what makes us intelligent is learning from others. I guess I would expect buyers to do even the most basic research on a large dollar figure purchase which would likely expose them to the headlines about Samsung putting ads on fridges after the sale.

    Do people actually just walk into an appliance store and just drop more than $1k on what they see on the floor without researching reliability, warranty, or other features from articles and news sources?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I did buy a replacement refrigerator based on "no ice dispenser, fits in available space" on a Saturday when mine let out the magic smoke that morning. It was delivered the next day and worked out ok.

    I would not get something fancier without doing research. This one was literally the only refrigerator that fit the bill at the store (weird-sized refrigerator alcove)

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Was that the only refrigerator store close to you, so even if there were other choices that fit manufactured you wouldn't have been able to lay your hands on one?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    There was Home Depot, Best Buy, and Lowes. I looked at their in-stock offerings online and only one of them had something that would work. I tried out a floor model, it seemed fine. I couldn't spend too much time on the decision because I was playing host and didn't want my house guest to worry about her food spoiling. (She has dietary restrictions and enough food anxiety as it is.)

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Well sure, if you're in a time crunch that makes sense. Additionally, you did attempt to shop elsewhere, but in your case it was such a specialized opening you only had one choice from all the retailers available to you. I imagine, had there been multiple to choose from, you would have examined the choices more closely, right?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Probably, yeah. Tbh, it was not wanting an ice maker that was the biggest hang-up. We didn't have a water line to the old refrigerator and I was tired of visitors trying to use the non-functional door ice maker on the old model.

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  • [–] 54 points 10 months ago* (9 children)

    “security and privacy are foundational” to the AI experiences in the fridge

    My AI-less, internet-less fridge is quite private and secure. Furthermore, it keeps food perfectly cold!

    It isn't sexy, but products that just work are 100x better than products with 40 features that can all brick it for no reason or annoy you to death.

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  • [–] 39 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    It might not be sexy, but I'd argue it doesn't need AI to be.

    Take the SMEG ones as an example - they're not my cup of tea, but the amount of people who are willing to pay a premium for a fridge that doesn't do anything special other than looking nice shows clearly that.

    Image

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    There's an effort combination here - to buy things that just work, you need not only demand, but their sufficient production and companies choosing that niche to concentrate, because they don't have an option of something with "AI".

    It's like negotiation, of what to produce. There's elasticity of demand based on niche similar to that of demand by price. If you need a fridge and there are only AI fridges offered, you'll buy an AI fridge.

    So you won't be able to buy something that just works when all companies with sufficient power to design and produce fridges want AI.

    There's also some stickiness there, like a hysteresis, and the current combined effort at AI promotion, even if not at equilibrium of said AI's attractiveness for said elasticity, will hold. Unless there will be another combined effort at killing it with fire.

    That is similar to 4:3 display ratio, ergonomic user interfaces, or perhaps home appliances that came with schematics, but not anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Yup, I think an ice dispenser and a fancy-schmancy high speed water tap is justifiable for most people, but I can't think of a realistic use case for a screen that outweighs the many negatives.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Do they... do they know what the C in CES stands for?

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I've had a few Samsung appliances. They are, by far, the worst appliances I've owned. I will not be buying another from them. If they want to make life more convenient, they need to make better devices, not shove screens, wifi, and AI into their crappy products.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Don't worry, in the realm of major appliances the majority of what these bozos are calling "AI" actually isn't. They're just using it as a buzzword because they think it's popular.

    LG, selling a washing machine two years ago: "It has weight sensors to determine the load size."

    LG, selling the same damn washing machine today: "With exclusive LG® AI DD™ Technology!!!"

    (I am not making this up.)

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Even their older, simpler fridges are crappy. We bought one because our previous fridge conked out in mid-pandemic when the selection of new appliances was low. It lasted about three years before developing an issue that would have cost us more to fix than just replacing the damned thing. So we replaced it with some cheaper probably-Chinese brand I'd never heard of before and will never buy another Samsung appliance again if we can help it. AI will just add expensive, useless functions on top of their already poor design and dubious manufacturing.

    In other words, if these become the only fridges in existence, I may just try to find out where I can purchase an old-fashioned icebox.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    a trade show floor is naturally very different from a consumer’s home environment.

    So it's like fashion shows, where they have the most ridiculous shit walking down the catwalk, instead of actual clothes that people will wear?

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  • [–] 51 points 10 months ago (6 children)
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    I'm astounded there hasn't been a legal case already where some AI customer service bot hallucinated and promised a customer a million dollars or something and they're trying to claim it. Set that precedent and companies would be dropping those AI clankers right quick.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago*

    there was a case where a consumer was promised something by an AI chatbot and the company tried to renege on it

    sorry I don't really remember any details about it, although I am pretty sure that it was ruled the company had to uphold the chatbot response. Oh I think part of their defense was that the chatbot was an external company or something

    edit: found it, looks like the same story the other user referenced

    https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240222-air-canada-chatbot-misinformation-what-travellers-should-know

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  • [–] 47 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'm just going to install a door knocker.

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The hot new category at CES 2027 is going to be AI-powered auto door knockers.

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  • [–] 56 points 10 months ago

    "It automatically does a facial scan of any household visitors using Palantir's database and knocks the way they would have."

    "Couldn't they just, you know, knock?"

    "Sure, but then how would we track who's visiting you while making you pay the power bill for our surveillance devices?"

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I refuse to buy "smart devices" riddled with AI, it's just a drag and not what this tech should be used for.

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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    About the Bosch E-Bike, I have a bike with a Bosch motor and they really are that bad. The bike comes with an app and you need to give them your personal data to "unlock" basic features of the app and an electronic bike lock. If you want to let another person use that bike, you need a subscription. I deleted the app. Fuck Bosch.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Are alternative firmwares available?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Didn't find anything, and it would probably void the warranty. But on the upside, using the app isn't necessary to operate the bike, and the most important features work with the controller/display on the handlebar. The motor lock is disabled for now and I'm resorting to more traditional methods of bike security... a chain lock. The motor lock has a huge disadvantage anyways because it depends on a bluetooth connection to the app on a phone. If that phone for some reason doesn't work or is unavailable then the bike is essentially bricked. It's a heavy and bulky cargo bike, so being stranded somewhere with a blocked motor would be bad.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    This year, it is no longer Consumer Electronics Show... it's now Corporate Electronics Show.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    🌍👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

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  • I went myself about ten years back when I worked for a small electronics store. It was literally 70% slop and 20% cell phone cases. There was only one company there that we actually got excited about and looked at bringing in their products. Their products were much better than what we currently carried and our current supplier was a pain in the ass to deal with.

    They were imeadiatly bought out and closed by the company we already dealt with before we could even place an order. We only ever received a demo unit.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    A consumer is just the opposite side of the same coin. Corporations exist because of customers and customers exist because of corporations.

    a person who uses up a commodity; a purchaser of goods or services, a customer

    Companies are always chasing stupid ideas. The AI fridge is the Twitter fridge of this decade, a stupid idea some business person was genius. We've always been this dumb.

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  • [+] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Exactly right.

    As such, any bleating about markets being driven by "consumer choice" is either hopelessly out of date / embarrassingly naive - or malicious.

    Just as consumer sales are a rounding error, so is consumer choice - it's a direct relationship.

    This extends a lot farther than the AI bubble, we have allowed corporations to merge and monopolize, and "investors" to gamble on it all, to where they completely invert the relationship.

    They shape our experience by constraining choice, dictating only options with profit margins and heinous licensing terms that work exclusively and overwhelmingly in their favor.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    What's worse than that are the fully camera, gyroscope, and GPS equipped children's toys that send all their data to an AI server.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Gyroscope, fine, I can understand them trying to understand how the toy is utilised.

    GPS? Fuck off.

    CAMERA?! What in the ever loving...

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, so there are these kids toys at CES now that are always watching and always listening. Gyroscope if the toy is being picked up and moved, GPS to track where in the house it is, or where it's going outside.

    It's loaded with voice and facial recognition that can track moods and environmental context. But obviously it doesn't work offline. It has no on board AI, so all the data is sent to a service somewhere which will generate responses for the toy.

    I wish it was just one such product being promoted at CES, but I've seen several videos now of multiple upstart toy tech brands selling similar AI plushies and such.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I'm holding off until HD AI.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I watched a video about the worst of CES. I was kind of amused that some of the winners of worst-of weren't even new ideas

    There was a candy I remember that from a long time ago, idk 2000ish? It was a lollipop you bit down on and you could hear music played through your teeth. I never tried it but it was sold where I worked

    Another idea, the worst of the worst, was the smart fridge. I remember from business classes I took many years ago used that as an example of innovation. Or a "smart" microwave. You let it know what ingredients you have, for example by scanning the barcode, so it can recommend recipes or alert you when something is running low

    The rendition of those ideas at the CES were so out of touch

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    It was a lollipop you bit down on and you could hear music played through your teeth.

    When I was about 12 I started a short lived fad in my extended friend group of wearing headphones in your nostrils instead of your ears. If you turned them up high it sorta worked.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Microsoft would like to know if a trendsetter like you is interested in an executive position. Pay is in AI tokens discounts on AI tokens and stock.

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