I know that security is a bit of a show and its really more of a deterant, but I was wondering realistically how I could prevent someone breaking and entering a small-ish American home? What is actually effective?

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[–] 102 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Being a less attractive target than your neighbours, either by being a bigger hassle or by looking like there's nothing worth stealing.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Not wrong, however you gotta be really skilled to make it look like you got nothing worth the effort and at the same time not looking too easy to break in. Some people like to break in and just rummage through shit, even if stuff truly isn't worth taking.

    My grandmother lived in a rough neighborhood and got broken into several times. The stuff she got taken were old worn clothes and just old junk. There were never any valuables, they took her jewelry but it wasn't expensive stuff. You get the idea. Yet it happened. And her house never looked like it would have valuables anyway. Still a nuisance for her and a very unpleasant experience.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Yeah I got broken into and I woke up from a nap mid-robbery. I literally just talked to the dude, he was some drifter who said he "wanted to get out of the rain and the door was unlocked". A few of the houses in my little cut of town are vacants so he probably was telling the truth. I'm tucked away in the woods but still in the city.

    Anyway I did ask him to leave and he went "I reorganized some of your stuff into that bag", which was my bookbag lol. After he left I looked and he was def gonna steal some things but it was like a bunch of mail, some old movies, a couple video games, a set of drill bits I had just gotten and hadn't opened yet. Just random shit.

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Reinforce your doorframes and window frames, preferably with steel. The dinky pine wood frames of residential doors and windows are hilariously easy to kick in, and the thickest steel door and the meanest window bars in the world won't mean much when an attacker can simply kick them out of the frame with a minimum of effort.

    You will probably find that doing this is in fact deemed illegal by at least one entity in your local hierarchy of state/county/municipality. I'll give everyone three guesses as to why.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Any properly framed door or window won't be the failure point. It's usually the fasteners. Deadbolts usually only come with dinky little half inch screws for the strike plate. Replace those with some 2.5" deck screws and it'll be much harder to kick open.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Is it because it'd make us less safe?

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I believe in some areas fire is a valid concern. But I also imagine if you do it right, it doesnt matter as much.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Is it because it might be harmful to the environment?

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 10 months ago*

    No its just harder to get out in case of a fire. But thats just spitballing. I know that's why you cant put bars on all windows or totally obstruct exits. Fire is much MUCH more likely to happen than a break and entering. At least where I am at. People need to get out in case of a fire. But im pretty sure there are still ways of protecting yourself instead of just bars.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Judging by the link in the OP, the concern is the possibility of ICE or other federal agents breaking in. It's not the same as dealing with a random intruder. About the best you can hope for is to slow them down, maybe giving you time to get away or for legal assistance and the media to arrive.

    Given that, I'd concentrate on making the house more sturdy: steel framed doors, steel rolling garage door, properly installed security bars/screens on windows and so forth. And maybe start with a solid masonry house.

    Probably not realistic for most people, but then a few years ago I wouldn't have considered the risk realistic either, and here we are.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Best case, my house gets a little more secure and nothing happens.

    Worst case, we get time to bug out. I think its a 1/100 chance. But as the family has survived fires, water going out for weeks, electricity down for a while, etc...its better to be prepared just in case.

    I honestly didnt want to make this post too political, but it could be a valid concern with people just up and pulling people out of homes and individuals advocating removing citizenship in certain circumstances.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago*

    Make it so they won't want to enter. If it smells incredibly unpleasant for example. Bonus points if some strange liquid is dripping near the front door.

    Make it incredibly unpleasant to be around.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    As a locksmith, I can tell you what I tell my paranoid customers. Buying the greatest lock in the world doesn't do shit if you still have first floor windows.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I always thought that was funny. Same with cheap, stick-built apartments with only the wood studs and two layers of drywall between them, the hallway, and other units, but tenants massively fortifying only the door.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    I always wondered why we don’t read about more robberies like that. In a stick built home, the wall is a weak point. With a modern battery powered reciprocating saw, it would take less than a minute even on a standard external wall

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    I had my windows replaced ... Last year, I think? That detail doesn't really matter.

    I always knew that normal windows negate any attempt at security, but it was still unnerving to visually confirm that they are easily removed, fragile barriers filling what are just holes in my wall.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Layers.

    Plant something with thorns or pointy leaves to block easy access to windows. Even better as a hedge around the whole property. Anti break film on windows. Heavy duty exterior doors. Motion sensing lights. Cameras, +1 for cameras with built in lights that can recognize people and automatically turn on.

    Every layer should either strengthen, increase risk of being caught, or make access painful. They will go towards easier targets.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Any windows you want to restrict access to, plant these things:

    Pyracantha

    They are no joke. Just remember, if you need that window for emergency egress it will not be a pleasant experience. Probably better than dying, but not by much.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Gravel around your house. Bad guys don't want to be heard.

    Exterior lighting everywhere, bad guys don't want to be seen.

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  • [–] 90 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Provide universal health care, low cost.of living to income ratio, free higher education, strong community building, and walkable cities.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Thank you. Now what can I do with the money left in my bank account after that

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Those aren't very secure from the modern super breakandentereptile, the buck toothed electric límpido snake eel dragon lizard.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago

    Have you seen the film Home Alone 2?

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Having two locks including a proper deadbolt with a decent type of key. You want a deadbolt that goes deep into the door frame, not a cheap one that barely hits the strike plate. That and locking windows with window film will keep most people out.

    Nothing will keep someone out who really wants to get in. You just need to make the hassle greater than their desire to get in.

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  • [–] 40 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Lesson from South Africa: by the time they are at your door it's too late. Perimeter fencing, preferably a 2m high wall with razor wire AND electric fence on top (including on gate). Garden: floodlights, motion sensing alarms, beams, AI cameras. All doors and windows: bars and security gates. Inside: separate living and sleeping area with lockable gate in the hall between. Panic buttons..

    None of that is going to stop a legal intrusion, each just buys you time before the paid security company arrive with guns to chase away intruders. Given time, any determined attacker will get in eventually..

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    My cousin had a beagle ridgeback mix (accidental breeding incident).

    His neighbours from two doors down showed him security footage of burglars jumping back over the wall when they heard it barking! 😂

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (10 children)

    American home

    2nd amendment has entered the chat

    Edit: Jesus christ what the fuck? They're going door to door?

    We're so cooked

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Use a cannon pointed directly at the door as our forefathers wanted us to.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago

    Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball-sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbor's dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grapeshot, "Tally ho lads" the grapeshot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Careful, not all states have a castle doctrine, and really you don't want the legal shitshow even in a Castle Doctrine state.

    Better to deter than have to deal with that.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Can you specify which state? I thought that was fairly ubiquitous. I legit would never live in a state that didn't have castle doctrine. I don't personally agree with states that don't have stand your ground laws, but I can at least stomach that.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    Home Alone has some solid ideas

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    If you asking how you secure your residence against ICE…good luck with that. They have legal access to an expansion of the Patriot Act for warrants, and they have toys they’d love to use against any home security. All that physical security is going to do is give them probable cause.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Pirates. You've just escalated things a degree.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I mean, building a moat does tell that you probably are rich enough to either pay someone to come over and do all that, or buy/rent a machine to dig & fill it, or are well-off that you have enough free time & energy to dig it without a machine... (might also need something to line the moat with so that the water isn't just sucked up by the soil)

    On the other hand, if someone dug up a moat around a whole house with a shovel all by themselves, it'd probably be wiser not to mess with them...

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The ONLY way to stop someone who really really really wants into your house from entering your house. Is to not have a house.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    In response to law enforcement, make sure you know your rights. If they are truly just conducting door to door operations, they would have no legal basis to enter your house. That might not stop them from fabricating some exigent circumstances (legally defined term that would come into play). But unless you open the door and/or invite them in, they can't legally come in.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    And a lawyer. Find a lawyer ahead of time. You’re not going to have much luck defending yourself against overwhelming force and numbers, but most people who survive long enough have the opportunity to defend themselves in court. At least we used to.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    In America, in most cases, they can't cross the door frame and can't touch you unless you cross outside. '

    And if masked men kick the door down? I got that covered best I know how.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    There are two levels to this:

    1. Do you want to stop someone on the outside from gaining entry?

    2. Or do you mean stopping someone AFTER they have gained entry?

    If 1 - The usual steps, cameras, lights, barriers to entry, no trespassing signs, that kind of thing. In our case, an automated light worked wonders. Dude walked up our driveway, took one step on the lawn, lights came on, and he went home to re-think his life choices.

    For 2, if they have already gained entry, know your local laws on lethal force, duty to retreat, stand your ground, and castle doctrine. Easy to Google - "your city/state" + any of those terms.

    In MY state, lethal force is only allowed in 3 circumstances, one of those three is burglary.

    https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.219

    "Committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling"

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Were I in a less secure neighborhood: Deadbolt, second deadbolt, dog.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Better door, better lock, better strike plate, longer and stronger screws. The rest can be visual deterrents like cameras, window sensors, and proximity lights that make them visible to neighbors and drivers.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The goal is to make your house a slightly harder target than some other house. Go for the easy stuff first like keeping the property well lit, lock your windows and doors. Close your blinds so valuables cant be seen from outside. Something people dont often talk about is getting friendly with your neighbors. They can be an extra set of eyes out for anything suspicious.

    If you're willing to spend some money, plant thorny bushes under vulnerable windows. Get a security system, or just put a fake security system sign in your yard. Put up cameras.

    An easy one is to replace the screws for your door hinges and deadbolt with nice, long, 3 inch screws in place of the tiny ones that are usually used. They longer screws will extend into the wall studs instead of only the doorframe. Makes it harder to kick in. You can also buy metal strips for reinforcing your door jam that aren't too expensive.

    One access point I think people tend to overlook are garage doors. I put mine on remote switches so I can completely power them off at night. Even if someone got my garage door opener or one of those spoofers, they wouldn't be able to open the doors.

    Just a few ideas off the top of my head.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I'll add strong motion-activated lights outside.

    However, under certain circumstances they cut electricity to your property before raiding.

    A random idea, if the threat is really expected, would be to setup strong hooks in the walls, and attach criss-cross fishing lines or similar to buy time. It shouldn't be lethal or cause serious injury unless the intruders get really unlucky. But they're probably gonna be more pissed regardless.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    If you just want to prevent opporitunistic break ins then you just need to make your house a less appealing target than the neighbors. A sturdy door, motion activated lights, and a dog can do that easily enough. If you want to go the extra mile then put up a few cameras. The cameras don't even need to be real. I used to work for a fortune 500 company that made extensive use of fake cameras on their properties. The trick there was that they also had a few identical looking real cameras as well so unless you had insider knowledge, you would have to consider all of the cameras real.

    Now if you want to stop someone who is determined to break into your house specifically then that gets trickier. You will never stop someone determined enough so the goal is to just make the process of breaking in as noisy and difficult as possible. You will want a good and properly mounted deadbolt on all your doors. By properly mounted I mean, throw out those dinky 1" screws that came with the deadbolt plate and mount that plate with some big old 4" long screws. A deadbolt plate just screwed into the doorframe does little good. But if you screw that thing clear through the door frame and into the (preferably doubled up) stud behind it, then bashing in your door goes from requiring a swift kick to requiring a ram or a sledge. Also, if you don't like the look of bars on your windows, you can just apply huricane laminate to your windows instead. It's a film that is designed to be applied to windows in huricane prone areas to prevent debris from flying through the windows. It also makes smashing in your windows a tremendous pain in the ass. The glass will still break but it will all be held in place by the film similar to a broken car windshield. It is possible to get through but it is a very time consuming and conspicuous process. Finally, cameras. Now that you've made it a pain to get through your doors and windows, you want to be sure that anyone who would still be willing to put in the effort also knows that they're being watched the entire time they're breaking in. Yes you can still smash in a door with a proper deadbolt or smash in a laminated window but few people are willing to spend that much time on camera being recorded committing a crime. Beyond those measures your walls become the weak point and there isn't much you can do about that without rebuilding the house.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Oh right. Can you get some pet geese for the outside? Nothing louder than geese

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I think peacocks might be louder but vocalize less frequently. That means you'd have to live with peacocks, though. They're awful. You can hear their loudest cries up to a couple of kilometres away.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    oh hell no they don't make good guard birds. geese are good guard birds they honk for honks sake. peacocks try to make love to the chrome on your car. there's always the one rich dude in town who thinks he's rich enough to tame peafowl and suddenly your town is overrun with cock.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    But no one is going to steal my car if they have to fight the three peacocks that are trying to fuck it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    it's not about protecting your car. your car's a piece of shit smart car, stupid brother in law. no one is going to steal that anyways. it's about protecting the single rock on your property that you decided to place there. the plastic rock. the hollow plastic rock with a little slot on the bottom for a key. with your front door key in it. If they're distracted trying to fuck your car, who's going to protect the rock? You either need geese or sheep. Maybe meese.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Adopt a pair of Doberman Pinscher's that were trained Elite Spec Ops.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Not really much, tbh.

    Decent quality door locks
    Clear line of sight from the street to likely entry points
    Loud alarms so if they do break in they're not likely to stay long

    If someone wants to get into a house, there isn't much you can do to stop them unless you're rich and can afford exotic shit like bullet proof glass windows and thick metal reinforced doors.
    All to can really do is discourage crimes of opportunity by making them seem like bad opportunities.

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