I had to deal with some guy at work trying to do some tiktok video and including me in it so I could complement his side gig or some shit (and likely only including me because women get views). And if I complain too much about being included in their grift everyone will shit on me for being a karen or for not helping him with it. Jesus fucking christ, I hate people that try to constantly plaster their face and name on everything to make money. Fuck youtubers, fuck tiktok, fuck ads, stop stealing peoples work for a quick buck 'by doing commentary', leave me the fuck alone

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[–] 146 points 10 months ago (12 children)

I don't see why you should put your face in his video if he isn't sharing the money. It sounds like he wants free labor to me.

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  • [–] [S] 70 points 10 months ago* (11 children)

    i would normally tell him to fuck off but the chief leeches were there and wanted me to. whats worse is he has a somewhat large amount of followers and the chief leeches like him being there because of exposure.

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  • [–] 58 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Jesus what kind of hellscape of a job do you have where you’re being forced into viral marketing for something that is unrelated to your company?!

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  • [–] [S] 59 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    i work in a software security department at a large corporation. I HATE IT HERE.

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  • [–] 35 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Why would software security need (or even want) β€œexposure?”

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  • [–] [S] 28 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    the corporation has a large financial wing, why they think im a good target to include in some idiots tiktok video is your guess. i dont speak linkedin or tiktok

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    They like this until he accidentally leaks something classified like the idiots that would upload their "Day in the life of" videos typing in pincodes and passwords and the wrong person sees it or goes back to see it an old video. Some horrible long term thinking for a software security team to allow

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    What the fuck? I was like dead certain that you were stuck with a bunch of high schoolers at a grocery store or something. That should never be happening anywhere remotely close to a cube farm.

    Best strategy is to play dumb. "Hello, [fuckface's manager], I have some concerns about the tiktok content [fuckface] is making for the company and some questions about my job responsibilities in relation to it. [Fuckface] pretty regularly interrupts my work to request me to act in these videos and it is getting in the way of my usual duties. If my participation is required, could you please let me know in writing? I'll also need to discuss with my manager about how this should be prioritized and scheduled alongside my other job duties."

    Force their awareness in a way that doesn't immediately look like an assassination. The more you can get in writing the more rope this guy makes to hang himself with. If somehow they claim it's actually work related, keep pushing the edges of "I just want to be sure" until his channel is company property or he shoots himself in the foot.

    Alternatively, get paid to intentionally do bad acting. "Oh, I've never been good on camera, sorry!"

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    β€œYou know what my side hustle ad needs? A GIRL”

    β€œHey, I think a girl works for me. Let’s just use her.”

    β€œGreat thanks bro!”

    Shit like this makes me want to become a terrorist. I wont, but I’m starting to get why other people do.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    At a random time, when nothing is happening, hand him a "paid talent release form".

    If you look up "talent release form" it's what allows a creator to use materials with another person. As it stands now, he asked you to participate but did not have you sign a release (with no fee), so you own partial rights to income from that video.

    Say to him: "Since you are a pretty big creator I assume you're familiar with releases. I grabbed a standard one to give you rights to my previously included videos, and here's another for any future videos including me for a 50% share. I'll sign them after you approve and sign unless you have a standard set you would like to use"

    This makes it a business transaction, vs a "leave me alone". He won't want to figure out how to pay you, so he'll probably stop.

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  • [–] 81 points 10 months ago* (8 children)

    My sister is so into this mindset but doesn't do anything about it, it's so annoying.

    Every conversation with her ends up being about how to monetize something. Fucking A, I'm not gonna start a food blog and sell ads, I just wanna make dumplings!! I'm not gonna stream my boyfriend and I playing games, we're just trying to relax! I'm not a brand or a product I'm just a person, get off it.

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  • [–] 36 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'm that neighbor thats really, really into Halloween. My whole family is. We do a pretty big yard thing every year and this year we had the scene change every week to tell a bigger story. On Halloween handing out candy and goodies, everyone was stoked and wanted to stop and say how rad it was and how much fun it was to watch over the course of the month. Except one person. She just kept on going about how I should charge people to see it. Dude, first and foremost, I'm not going to make one of the few things I find true joy in doing another goddamned chore. Also, how the fuck would I keep people from just looking at my front yard? How do you expect me to manage that?

    One good thing came of it though, after her insistence again and again I told her the only practical way to charge admition would be to do an actual walk through haunted house in my back yard. So the neighbors and fam and I are going to do just that. But for free because fuck that. I might charge her a dollar though because I'm super petty.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    My one friend is the same. He laments how little ambition I have for being so creative.

    I create beautiful things for fun and for people I care about. Any time I've done it got money, it has slowly but surely sucked the soul from it. No thanks. I'll be happy with my creativity over here without a ton of money.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Sorry if this is too personal, but does she have, or has she had in the past, membership in a communist party a hobby which she did as only an amateur? It's hard for me to take the perspective of someone who doesn't seem to understand how monetizing a passion can completely ruin it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    the thing that gets me is these people don't realize there's a much easier way to make $ not working...just play the stock market, that's what all the big rich fucks who don't do any real work do. it's one big casino that most people buy into passively, especially in bubbles like this...it's incredibly easy to make shitloads of $. it's so easy that you quickly lose any interest in "grinding".

    it's certainly not fulfilling though...gambling is no way to make a living.

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  • [–] 49 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    do it in exchange of a share of the profit. nothing turns people off like sharing.

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  • [–] 49 points 10 months ago

    The job market sucks and it's only getting worse. A full-time job doesn't provide the same standard of living it did for previous generations. I don't like how there's so much pressure to have a side hustle that makes money versus just having a hobby you enjoy, but for some people that's their only option. But I don't hate them, I hate the system.

    That being said, it wasn't cool for him to include you in his video. You have every right to push back and avoid this in the future.

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    I want to work a reasonable amount, and have enough time and money to create for my own pleasure if I so choose. I don't even mind content creation in theory, I see it no different from writing or doing art. It's the constant pursuit of more, more, more, both status and money, that gets to me. I want freedom, security, and comfort.

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  • [–] 34 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Just tell him no, tell him you don't want to be on his social media.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago*

    Exactly this. And if they ask "oh but why not". You just answer "I just dont want to be on your social media". You never have to validate your reasoning for saying no.

    If they push the why, then ask them if they're genuinely interested in the answer before giving one. Force them to be a part of the conversation, because why people ask "aww why not", its not because they're interested in the answer, its because they wanta yes. Just say no.

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  • [–] 34 points 10 months ago

    I do indeed hate living under capitalism

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    I do a lot of things for fun that I could theoretically make money from. I model and 3d print stuff, I woodwork, I make electronic projects, I'm a musician, and a software engineer.

    Sometimes I'll get people saying stuff like "you could sell XYZ". I tried it. I had an Etsy store where I sold my 3d prints. It was successful. Too successful. I was working my day job and then spending most of my free time printing and sanding and painting and talking with customers and dealing with shipping.

    Initially I thought how great to be able to spend all my free time doing something I enjoy. In the end i thought how dreadful it is to spend basically all of my time working.

    It fucking sucked. I'm glad to have had that experience, but now I know It's actually super important to have hobbies that are just hobbies.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    As someone looking to make their own first electronic project, tips and tricks you wish you knew beforehand? Thinking of building my own music player, since the ones on the market are either overpriced or just a toy

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)
    • A half-decent soldering iron is way better than a super cheap soldering iron.

    • Plan the build as much as you can, and then order all the parts at once. This way you're not tied up waiting for parts to ship which kills momentum.

    • Wires take up more space in an enclosure than you think.

    • If you can order 3 of something for not much more money than 1. Do it. It'll allow you to build up stock of things you use. That way when you get an idea, you'll have parts on hand.

    • Allow yourself to fail. Some ideas sound good but aren't. It's ok to abandon a project.

    • Lean on the community. If you have an idea for a project, someone's probably done it before. Look it up, see how they did it, learn from their mistakes. You can stand on the shoulders of giants and you absolutely should.

    Not to discourage you but that is a super ambitious first project. If you want a good audio player but don't want to spend a ton, I have the fiio snowsky echo. It's super affordable, but surprisingly powerful. It drives my 250 ohm headphones without issue. No way you're DIY'ing anything that good for its price. However if you want to DIY a music player just because you want to, absolutely go for it!

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    You didn't just raise your prices till you weren't that busy?

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The problem isn’t TikTok or YouTubeβ€”it’s some guy at work who felt entitled to use you for his side hustle. If someone treats you like a prop instead of a person, you don’t owe them compliance, and you don’t owe bystanders an explanation either.

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  • [–] 46 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    It does suck. Watching all my highschool friends slowly lose the light in their eyes as the economy tightened its grip, becoming all more desperate just for basic necessities. The only way any of us can fix this is by making sure no one is run ragged by the fear of this fake ass scarcity.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The only way any of us can fix this is by making sure no one is run ragged by the fear of this fake ass scarcity.

    By getting rid of capitalism, right? Right?

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    At least you have empathy. My family deride me for struggling with affording housing my whole adult life. At least I dont have to see them more then a couple times a year. Love those douchebags.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    It's not you, I can tell you that. I won't lie I feel that empathy because I was simply exposed to the horrors of capitalism before they were, my father losing his job, my family losing their house and having to work in a factory as a child. I can't blame them for the conditions we're all in.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago

    I've been a computer nerd since I was like 10. When I was younger (damn, am I that old already?), I used to install PC games for friends (including ahem cracks). I always did it for free just, well, because they were friends, and because it took no longer than 10 minutes in the worst case. Their parents always threw a few bucks my way anyway, which I always tried to refuse, but ended up taking because of their insistence.

    I also started contributing to open source from a relatively young age (I think I was maybe 20), not with the intention to make a career out of that, but because I found it a fun activity, and liked my contributions helping people.

    In both cases, my family was all over me for not making a career from that. Like, my brother in Christ, I don't need to be fucking working 24/7 from birth to death. People are allowed to do things just for fucking fun.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago

    It’s mad annoying. You’re not even being paranoid, there have been several cases lately where these wannabe celebrities refuse to back off after being politely refused. Problem is they’re the ones filming so they harass you then just start the clip around when you start getting pissed off lol. Then somehow they all have an army of like a thousand angry men who will send you death threats irl over your β€˜mistreatment’ of their favorite influencer

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It's infuriating when you look at the online content creator landscape:

    Everybody's got a course. Everybody's sponsored. Every channel pitches scams with a promo code. Even many anti-capitalist channels are pushing you to sign up for some program. It's absurd.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Sometimes I get annoyed at the crowd that sees me doing something they think is cool and be like "you could sell or provide [x hobby]"

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    This took the joy out of everything.

    β€œOh you write music? You should make an album and sell it” β€œoh you cook? You should make a ghost kitchen/foodtruck/marketplace” β€œoh you do 3d printing? You should model stuff for people or make a print farm” β€œoh you do open source stuff? Why don’t you work in coding or at least do fiverr coding jobs?” β€œOh this home server is cool you should set these up for people for money”

    FUCK YOU

    And then when they find out I just like, post recipes or code or models or whatever online for free because I want to contribute back to the communities that taught me a lot they’re like β€œyou’re crazy”. Maybe I don’t want to fucking monetize everything. Maybe I’m sick of everything being monetized. Maybe I believe information should be free and this hustle culture tech bro bullshit that took over the Internet post 2006-08 or so where everything has to be paywalled or monetized is absolutely cancerous and should be destroyed.

    Our greed will destroy us all

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    It's not just the monetisation. If you turn a hobby into a job you end up having to do a lot of stuff you don't actually want to do or care about, because the people you do it for care about these things.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    That sounds like an awful workplace. Why is some bell end cajoling you into tiktok videos at work? Fuck that. I'd be off if I worked with twats like that.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 10 months ago*

    the job is easy but dealing with the people is a miserable experience. i normally get by with earplugs and nodding and asking people to add all inquiries to my calendar. i think some people may legitimately believe im partially deaf, this is a burden i am happy to bear.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago*

    Maybe ask some of your coworkers for help demonetizing, brainstorm hobbies with no payoff or audience to grift, put on a reflective HV vest or hat to screw up advertising slop commentary videos, play licensed popular music, swear and refer to drugs and ask people on camera how much they make, leave copies of Bertrand Russell's In Praise of Idleness in the break room.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    I dislike it too. I'm not surprised at all. I'm not the brightest but the one thing I'll lay claim to is having seen this train wreck the whole way. Our generations were raised to be hyper-individualist neoliberals. It's everyone for themselves and we're all worse off for it. We're crabs in a bucket.

    I didn't have those words to conceptualize it as a kid but I saw it in the way we've been pit against each other since the beginning. It's an unsustainable model. I'm not surprised the state of the world, especially the economy today.

    What I don't get is if everyone is so smart then why am I the only one that seems to be seeing it. Operative word being "seems". I know a lot of other people see it too. As evidenced by whole posts like this.

    But as a collective. We're supposed to be the most educated and most open minded generations ever (in terms of breadth of knowledge, not political leaning). Yet we seem to be regressing to worse off states of being than ever. What the hell is even that about?

    No, I don't buy into blaming the "boomers". They voted for what they wanted collectively. Collectively. Everyone accuses them of being selfish. If anything our generations are just as selfish. I personally think we're more.

    I don't buy into blaming the top 0.01% either. They are a product of our collective obsession with money and materialism. I do blame much of the top two-digit percentages. I really don't care if you're a multi-milionaire or soon to be worlds first trillionaire. You're all running the same race. Just with different scores. A butterfly flapping its wings could have just as well re-arranged those musical chairs to put anyone at the top.

    The younger generations have the voting power now. But there's always excuses designed to dodge the truth. Whatever we're upset with about the world today is our own responsibility now. The truth is it sucks because too many of us are making it suck.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    it really does start young...it dawned on me recently that this was the whole point to musical chairs, and a number of other childhood "games" pushed onto us at school in bumfuck nowhere. there are so many of these shitass towns in the middle of nowhere, whose whole existence is basically just the local real estate robber barons trying to get one of their kids to "make it" so they can funnel a bunch of $ back into their fief.

    and the backbone of all of it is exploiting a deliberately under-educated workforce...american capitalism is fucking disgusting.

    i think the thing that pisses me off most is how long it took me to get around to the fact that everybody knows this, and just...either accepts their place or doesn't care because the system benefits them.

    i'm autistic...until this realization clicked for me i was kind of running around in dismay wondering why noone seemed to care everything was collapsing...but this too is just another part of the plan, it's called "boom and bust investing/disaster capitalism"

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I do a lot of open source contribution on my spare time because I think it's fun and I like to contribute to software that is open and free for anyone to use. I have several friends and co-workers that think I'm stupid for not only work on projects that pays me.

    I'm happy as long as I get to write code for fun and also contribute to the world. That is it's own reward.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago

    I'll answer your question and provide my valuable insights after you subscribe to my Patreon

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Is it just me or does posting videos to try to get views FEEL even slimier than standard capitalism? I sometimes ponder starting an influencer channel and immediately find it feels grosser than it does to offer a service/product for money. Just my perception?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    If it helps, theres 2 things I respect when it comes to content creators/youtubers/influencers.

    1. They are rarely if ever on camera. Futurecanoe, GrogTV, early Babish, etc.

    2. They are absolutely transparent about how they are making money and they dont try to monetise every avenue.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    ive done a channel before (like 10 years ago) just to anonymously post things i like and after a certain point a corporation began giving me free stuff on the condition i hock their shit all the time. that lost all of the magic for me and it made none of it fun anymore.

    i kinda wish i could just live a very basic life, simple food, simple place to stay, and do free shit for people all the time as my whims demand. but the world isnt structured for that.

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  • I hope it didn't come across as critical of content creators, I think I was just trying to share this sense of... icky lol. I believe genuine creators exist and aren't just trying to make a quick buck :)

    To the second part, strongly agreed. I just wanted to enjoy simple things and not have to produce all the time

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    Did he ask you to sign a model release for being in his video? Did he offer payment for your work?

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago*

    The issue is basically that profit is just defined by a money transaction and that is completely unrelated to the quality of values on which it is being conveyed, pecunia non olet.

    There are for sure virtuous enterprises which generates values for humans, but the large part of them deals in vicious transactions which by design only exploit humans for profit instead.

    If we want progress and we want a free economic system then the coin must be one and only, and it must be directly connected with the effects on the wellbeing of each fellow human.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Not really. People are in really bad spots and need money. While I roll my eyes at grindbros and hustle culture and all this pointless/asinine tiktok influenza crap, it's pretty disingenuous to deny that people actually do need additional income outside of their main job.

    That said, what you have described seems pretty annoying.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    My regular job schedule is rotating 12 hour shifts. We work 3 or 4 days/nights in a row, either 0400 to 1600 or 1600 to 0400, and then get a few days off to flip sleep schedule to do it again on the opposite shift. The benefit to this schedule is that every 4th week, we're scheduled 7 days off in a row. But because of vacations and callouts, it's pretty common to have to come in on days off to cover.

    We also have two times per year for about 3-8 weeks where everybody would 6 or 7 day weeks. That's 72 or 84 hours in a week. And because we're hourly, that's very good money, but because the cost of living is so high in the area most of us are commuting about an hour each way. So every 12 hour day is roughly 14 hours away from home. So those times of year are really 84 or 98 hours per week away from home, and a week only has 168 hours.

    The work itself is also fairly demanding. We don't just sit at a desk. We are climbing ladders, carrying heavy shit around, shoveling, turning valves, running to respond to alarms, etc. A light day is still a day at the gym.

    Despite this, there is an absurd amount of pressure to come in a significant amount more for training or you'll never get a promotion. And a lot of my coworkers seem to be happy to do that.

    Idk what they're doing with their time outside of work, but it seems like they can't possibly have time for anything meaningful. I don't understand the point of chasing money that hard if you don't give yourself any time to spend it. I keep talking myself out of spending on things I want because I know I won't actually spend any time enjoying those things, so I'm just sitting on a useless pile of money and working at a place that's trying to push me into trading even more of my time for even more useless money. And nobody seems to see the problem. I'm glad that my bills are paid and everything, but how the fuck is this different from being a slave that's housed and fed?

    All I do is work and sleep, and I'm expected to work even more, and I'm surrounded by people who think I'm crazy for not pulling 60+ hours every week. That sort of schedule is what somebody who hates their family does, and I happen to like my wife.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Damn. I work a pretty easy M-F 40 hour work week, but still feel like I have no free time. Your situation sounds like hell.

    Maybe you find a goal to use the money for. Figure out how much you need to quit working for a while and do that goal. Maybe an extended period of traveling. Maybe just time to be unemployed for a while why you find work you enjoy.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    While itβ€˜s obvious that one income alone wonβ€˜t feed a family anymore, our culture pushed multiple-job-holding even further by normalizing several income streams and especially gig-work. A gym nearby now advertises β€žearn 1€ per workoutβ€œ, which is effectively just a discount, but gives you the feeling of actual profit

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    there are a lot of youtubers and tiktokers that dont do it for the money

    i learned how to code from a pretty young age
    Every time i particupated in a game jam or made a game or any other coding related project, i was asked by my parents if i made money from it
    I was like 12 years old; i hated that

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    that's what living in a capitalist society looks like.

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  • Yeah kinda. But people value different things. I value time so work less hours at work and take an easy stress free job. I could earn double if not more working elsewhere but at what cost.

    If I’m housed, watered, and fed then the next thing I want is time. I love my job and still hate going to work and I work from home. I hate the idea of giving so much of myself away for Monopoly money.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    No. I hate the fact that the world has forced people to need to do so.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This really just goes to show how strapped everyone is. If all you ever think about is needing to make more money, you’re struggling.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Imagine if we get a robust universal unconditional social dividend atop a properly adequate "basic income", accompanied by high quality free-to-use social services (including transport)... then we could:

    ikigai

    Do what we're good at, what we love doing, and what needs done, fulfilling our passion and mission, not just our profession and vocation.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    this image sucks in dark mode

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  • [+] -10 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    So the people that work really hard fund those that don't feel like working. Seems like a great deal. For some people

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    It is a great deal. For everybody.

    Or would you prefer a billionaire's monopoly collapsing the economy and everybody starved and enslaved in bullshit jobs?

    Sorry if that's an accidental false dichotomy. What's a middle-ground alternative you propose?

    UBI tests have shown people are enabled to do more, and do not just sit around because they "don't feel like working". Most work is already unpaid (and unrecognised as work). This simply remedies that.

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  • [+] -7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I prefer taxing the Uber wealthy like we did before Reagan. If you're in a bullshit job that's your fault. Especially in this day of free knowledge and education. Learn a skill.

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