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[–] 123 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (21 children)

Actually, they don't.

When Denmark sold the Danish West Indies to USA in 1916-1917, part of that deal was to ratify that USA accepted the full Danish ownership of Greenland.

At the time, this was done to keep Norway from making claims to Greenland.

But anyway, we quite literally have a document written by USA and signed by USA stating that Denmark alone owns Greenland.

Edit: Took some time to find, but here it is signed by U.S Secretary of State Robert Lansing who made the deal under President Woodrow Wilson.

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  • [–] 66 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    I don't think this administration gives a shit about documents, precedent, or the rule of law.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    They don't give a shit because nobody is holding them accountable. The rest of the western world is waiting for the American people to start holding their government accountable and it's just not happening.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    It didn't happen in Germany or Japan even after they were firebombed and / or nuked.

    People really don't like holding power - even the formerly poweful - to account; and people in power generally don't like it either (unless it suits them).

    I suspect it's partly because doing so would lead to the obvious question: who gave then the power in the first place?

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  • [+] -10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    You are making some pretty wild statements.. those in power don’t actually like holding power? That is a bonkers statement to me. The people who SHOULD have the power never do, because they simply don’t want the power. I can maybe see that, but the people in this day and age that HAVE the power? Most definitely want it, in fact I’d argue they want even more. Gluttonous savage pigs that they are. Will consume and consume and consume until someone puts a stop to it.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    “Nobody’s going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland,” Mr. Miller told Jake Tapper

    “We live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power,” he said. “These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time.”

    “The United States of America is running Venezuela,” Mr. Miller said, dismissing international treaties enshrining a nation’s right to independence and sovereignty as “international niceties.”

    He's not arguing we have some 'legal' right, he's arguing that since we have a military, we can do whatever we want wherever we want so long as no one is able to successfully stop us...

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    He's giving some serious Hitler vibes. Also, Thrasymachus.

    He's also basically saying that if anyone is capable of violently overthrowing the US, then they have a right to do so.

    Also, dismissing international treaties as "niceties" comes very close to treason, as he's basically saying to disregard the laws as they were written by constitutional authority.

    If legal documents no longer count for anything, then neither does the constitution. That would mean the US government has no legal authority.

    It's a dangerously slippery slope, but I think he's lusting for the chaos that would result.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    He's also asking what right Denmark has to it, which is what I addressed. USA gave us that right.

    I don't really think they're going to do anything just now. USA can already have all the military they want on Greenland. They're the ones who are supposed to protect it, so if they choose to attack, what the hell are they supposed to attack? The snow?

    It would basically mean that they withdraw from NATO, which is a bit over the top for putting a flag in the snow in an area they already control.

    I think that it's all a distraction. They're probably going for a surprise attack in Panama any day now.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I guess in the CNN interview he said that? I just read the article, which would make me think his response would simply be "Well Denmark's smaller military means they have no rights".

    But you are absolutely right that USA can pretty much already stage whatever military presence they want in Greenland so long as everyone can rationalize it as supporting NATO objectives, which would generally rubber stamp Greenland. The 'we need Greenland for defense' rings hollow with that.

    However, I think the military is an excuse, and they really want:

    • To have probable ports in a potentially more relevant shipping activity and extract some economic control from that position
    • To hedge bets against warming to have some land that might be more attractive if local temperatures rise a certain amount
    • Exert greater pressure on Canada to join up, being surrounded basically on all sides by USA.

    They see a significant land mass with fewer than 100k as a cakewalk, from a force perspective, and given their 'might makes right' philosophy, it could be a likely next stepping stone.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    So you signed a piece of paper. A treaty with a nation that broke treaties (with native Americans) since the start of its existence and you expect a century old piece of paper with a country that has been breaking treaties for twice that long to be worth anything?

    Lol

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Great

    When the bombs start dropping, don't forget to wave this piece of paper at them, I'm sure they'll care

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Dropping bombs where?

    The only military presence on Greenland is already the American NATO base. Everyone else up there are civilians.

    They're gonna bomb the snow just for the fuck of it?

    The whole thing is absurd. It's a distraction.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Might want to ask the indigenous people how effective pieces of paper are at holding back the US military.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    If you can't trust the agreements that a government makes, what good is that government.

    Some might think it's cool that the current administration don't give a shit and is all about action over words, but it's not going to be pretty when they themselves rely on words.

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  • [–] 111 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

    Stephen miller asserts obviously morally objectionable thing. Gets red in the face and foams at the mouth trying to appear confident when attempting to explain it's logic or morality.

    More at 6.

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  • [–] 64 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Yaah, the guy's got terminal "little man's" disease.

    Also, he's a tool.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    As a little man, I resent being associated with this person.

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  • [–] 96 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Miller to CNN Host Jake Tapper:

    “We live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power,” he said. “These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time.”

    Stephen Miller is a sociopath, a fascist and a deeply insecure wannabe bully with a massive inferiority complex, second only to Trump.

    Make no mistake: This is it, the fascist and authoritarian takeover that history has been warning us about for 80 years. It’s back. These people will do everything in their power to make this happen, and they mean what they say. Greenland and Canada are already boosting defense spending. The world is gearing up for war in response to the belligerent Hitler-like threats from Trump and Putin.

    It will be almost impossible to prevent the use of nuclear weapons in a third world war. If Trump and the neo-fascist Republican Party are not removed from power soon, they will attempt to take over our half of the world. China will take Taiwan, and Putin will shoot for Europe after support for Ukraine wanes. When they’re finished, they’ll all turn on each other.

    That is where this kind of naked violence-is-the only-true-power kind of logic leads.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I wish that directly following that tirade about strength and power, Jake Tapper had punched the absolute fuck out of Stephen's face and made him bawl his Nazi eyes out right in front of the cameras for his Nazi fans to be embarrassed by. Why was big balls the only Nazi that's gotten his ass kicked lately?

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Everybody should watch this documentary about the rise of fascism in the US.

    It's more relevant than ever.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    I just want to engineer green energy stuff and help people keep their lights on without destroying earth in the process, like I never signed up for any of this shit and I'm not ok with any of it.

    I want to destroy this admins legs so we can take a breath and have a talk amongst ourselves, this shit is getting wildly out of hand.

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  • [–] 63 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    It's wild to me that the US is going to make a run at taking over the world. Growing up here in the 80s and 90s we were taught that we were the country that prevented anyone else from trying that. Hell we, according to our schooling, ended both world wars.

    I don't mean that I grew up trusting the government, but it wasn't on my life bingo card that we would ever attempt world conquest. Trump was a guy everybody made fun of when I was a kid, so him as president was unexpected the first time, and unimaginable a second time after his first performance.

    We live in a bad novel. The plot is stupid and the characters suck and the ending is going to be ugly.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    One of the problems withamerica their ingrained manifest Destiny belif.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    Yeah, if anything, 1945-2025 may end being a historical anomaly. The US was an aggressively expensive colonial settler state though most of its history. We're still settler colonial, but we've at least not been aggressively expansionist for nearly a century.

    Over 300 years of aggressive expansion (if you include the colonial period.) A return to orthodoxy after an 80 year hiatus doesn't seem so unusual in that regard. Really, everyone who remembered why we stopped acting that way has now died of old age, so we now have only our shared national mythos to guide us. And our culture has continued to celebrate its expansionist past, even if we've walked away from it as policy over the last few generations.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    the US is going to make a run at taking over the world

    I hope that's not meant to imply that the US is a monolith. This is the US government hijacked by dictator Trump. The American people have not been asked, and have no representation in the current criminal regime.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago

    Nope, we haven't been asked at all, but Hitler didn't ask Germany if they wanted to take over the world before he tried either. Just because I'm against what my country is doing doesn't exempt me from the deserved hatred the rest of the world must feel towards us.

    Hell, there's a nonzero chance that the last election was completely rigged, Trump didn't win a damn thing, and he was simply installed to do this grizzly work by the rich men who want to own everything. We don't have a mechanism in place to reel the bastards in. Militarization on our own soil has begun to squash resistance, they've just decorated it as immigration control. Shit, our cops have had armored vehicles and such for decades.

    I'm not convinced it's hopeless, but only because I've read too many books where the "good guys" win. A third of my country has never read a book voluntarily. Here we are.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    That's not entirely fair to say. Trump is certainly a critical component in all this, but absolutely none of it would be possible without the Republican party being so eagerly complicit. They let him make the big, loud, unfavorable moves and support those moves as quietly as they can.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 10 months ago

    The Republican Party has always been full of Republicans. The reason that someone like Taco was able to walk into the place, slap his name on the place, and do even worse things than they were doing before is no accident.

    When people in the Republican Party pine for the party of "true conservatives" and pretend they don't understand what happened to their party, they are obviously ignoring decades of history, including the work of hate radio and Faux News.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I'm about the same age and definitely wasn't taught that. I was taught that other countries only remain free because of our protection and the US and the USSR were basically like two crime families fighting each other over territory.

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  • [–] 143 points 10 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 41 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Dude what the actual fuck is going on?

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    People are rapidly finding out that international law is merely a gentleman’s agreement unless you have the military capability to enforce it.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Desperate distractions from Epstein and Jack Smith

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  • [–] 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)
    1. Recall ambassadors
    2. Cease trade
    3. Invite an apology and clarification of position.

    This is the only response.

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  • [–] 34 points 10 months ago

    His assertion is that might makes right, so according to Stephen Miller, all Denmark has to do is shoot him in the face.

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    That sniveling cunt can say whatever he likes. Doesn't make it true.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    He has the ears of the administration that is issuing the orders though. So unfortunately, even if untrue it’s dangerous.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago

    Giving the most pathetically weak men on earth an Airforce during their ongoing and accelerating masculinity crisis was a bad move.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I assert that miller has the most punchable face in The Americas.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    According to...what? His pathetic need to be the biggest boy on the playground?

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    He said in the article, based on "no one's going to stop us":

    “Nobody’s going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland,”

    “We live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power,” he said. “These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time.”

    “The United States of America is running Venezuela,” Mr. Miller said, dismissing international treaties enshrining a nation’s right to independence and sovereignty as “international niceties.”

    If someone really deserves just getting a beat down, it's Stephen Miller.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Not to put too fine a point on it but this is exactly what the entire rest of the world would say when 2A cultists would talk about how "guns keep da gubmint in check".

    Maybe, instead of wasting money, blood and political capital on making sure every psycho could pack heat it may have been wiser to spend it on firming up the laws and protecting against exactly what is happening now. For example, maybe a President responsible for a coup should not have been on the ballot.

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  • [+] 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    This sounds like a great way to get two angry sides of a protest to start shooting at each other

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  • [+] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago*

    In the US you get two options and both are completely uninterested in "firming up the laws" and reining in the power of the executive. Trump can do basically whatever he wants, because after 9/11, Democrats fully supported measures like the Patriot Act that vastly expanded executive power, and when Obama came in after Bush he did nothing to hold him accountable for war crimes and torture, while continuing to use the same tools for largely the same purposes. No president wants to prosecute a former president for illegal activity because that would open the door for being prosecuted for their own illegal activities, which they all perform.

    It doesn't really matter if the average American cares about guns or about something else. We've never been given an opportunity to vote on the power of the executive just like we've never been given an opportunity to vote on Venezuela or Palestine or Iraq or Afghanistan or Yemen. The powers that be decide these things, all the voters do is choose which face they want doing it, which aesthetics and justifications will be used for decisions that have already been made.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Conservatives believe that giving food stamps to single moms is the Tyranny they're defending against. The Left strongly supports gun rights too but are dramatically outnumbered by liberals.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago

    "you can't just say bankruptcy"

    "I didn't say it, I asserted it"

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    So what? Miller sprays his bald head with paint.

    I'm not even kidding

    Never listen to a head painter

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago*

    Aside from the bull he is spreading. This guy is creepy. His stance looking slightly over his shoulder and his jerky motions. Like he was under a stimulant influence.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    And I assert my right to say “fuck you.”

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This needs to end, one way or another.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Miller will say whatever he thinks Trump wants him to say. Just remember it for the war crimes trials.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    It's probably closer to the other way around... Before Trump was even voted in again Miller was out talking about how he wanted to see republican governors deploy their state's national guard into democrat run states, openly calling for military invasion of some states by others...

    If anything, Trump is downright moderate compared to the lengths Miller would want to do.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    "Eat shit, Stephen." - everyone

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    So what? I mean, who even listens to what that fucking racist ghoul has to say about...wait...really?...the President?....of the US? Ah, hell.

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