The speed with which what happened? I can't even open that image...
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If Mastodon is federated, why isn't this recoverable somehow? I thought federation involved making copies of content on other servers, does that just not happen often enough for it to work as a backup?
ActivityPub (the model that the fediverse uses for federation) is publishing-based, as the name implies. Like email, you're sending messages to a list of recipients. Usually that's your followers, people you mention, and the person you're replying to.
If the recipient list is empty, then your message won't leave your instance.
Threadiverse users don't really have to worry about this too much because communities act as relays, sending your posts to all of the community's followers as well. But microblogging instances don't have that luxury. If they don't have any followers, aren't writing a reply, and don't mention anyone... their post isn't federated anywhere.
It's also worth considering that only public data is federated. For example I wouldn't be able to recover my bookmarks from another instance, and it doesn't seem like Lemmy federates your list of subscriptions. Your posts may still exist elsewhere even when your instance goes down, but that's not necessarily the data people want to be able to recover.
Some content are just cached on other server, but not all data like credentials or full content.
Why doesn't centralized social media without backups have this problem?
Traditional social media is run for-profit and thus has an incentive to keep their website online as much as possible to keep their company alive by gaining users and revenue. And I would bet they do have backups. Hobby websites like fediverse projects often are can be run by any flaky nobody that can have varying motives and varying data retention practices.
Any city council or minor public service or library could run their own instance, though, alongside the usual website. This doesn't have to be a hobbyist thing or for-profit enterprise.
But the point is that this is specifically about the problem without backup, so either we compare apples to apples or bannanas to monkeys.
They did.
There's almost hundreds of dead social media that inaccessible, some even have zero backups. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_social_networking_services
Oh, that reminds me of this list: https://indieweb.org/site-deaths
Usually they have VC money to burn through
I'm not sure what people would be trying to access, I suppose. Post history? Things that can be exported, like account settings, generally should be stashed somewhere. Things that can't be, well... That's a bit sad but I dunno, I never post anything online that I care so much about I'd be sad if it disappeared. Anything I did care about, I make a backup of it locally.
Not trying to downplay people's upset, but just pointing out ways to protect the things you care about.
@piratepost@poliverso.org if it's on poliverso, then users from the "threadiverse" should be able to find it with !medmastodon@poliverso.org. And iirc, Friendica groups (or the equivalents from Lemmy, Mbin & PieFed) on Mastodon can be treated as both hashtags, and as users, e.g. on mastodon.social.
Wherever you are on Mastodon, back up your data!
Dear lazyweb (or lazystodon or lazyverse), are there dead simple scripts for periodic backup? You know, something you just authorise to act as a client and then stick into a crontab to run daily/weekly and it'll keep a local copy of your stuff. Preferably something you can just install via pip or gem or (oh please gods no) npm.
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