Donald Trump has said that he will withhold funding for New York City if presumptive Democratic mayoral nominee Zohran Mamdani becomes mayor after November’s general election and doesn’t do the “right thing.”

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[–] 291 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Oh but blue states not giving federal taxes over is "starting a civil war."

The civil war is already happening. Wake the fuck up people.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Or it's not, and that's the problem. The organised rightwing forces of state repression can easily push around a left that's been trained and groomed to function as entirely beholden to corporate sponsors and big money donors.

    ...to the point it's now visible and blatant that the establishment left cannot stand and legitimately claim even the possibility they are the solution.

    Because the solution is something more revolutionary that will cause bloodshed and more regular interruptions to people's daily lives.

    So of course, keep your head down, hope none of this effects you. Ignore that it already has. The dems will fix it later, ect....

    It's understandable to ignore the civil war even though it's not rational to.

    Terrorists (freedom fighters) are made as needed, they're not born ready. Trump's administration will be looking to stay under that threshold.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    rightwing forces of state repression can easily push around a left that's been trained and groomed to function as entirely beholden to corporate sponsors and big money donors.

    That's not a "left" at all. There are traditionally three groups that vie for power, royalty, merchants, and the people. The left serves the people, Democrats serve the merchants, and Republicans are the royalists.

    The Democrats may represent the left some day, but it's not who they are right now.

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    [–] 190 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Mamdani won a mayoral primary, hasn’t even been elected yet and the hype on all sides is enormous.

    Really hope New Yorkers dig in and back this dude.

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  • [–] 161 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    that is how you know he is the right candidate, Trump is an inverse indicator

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    I predict Mamdani and Trump will have similar arcs through the media landscape. The media hated Trump but just couldn't stop paying attention to him, even though every time they attacked him it only made him stronger. Now they are all bending the knee to him.

    The same exact thing is happening with Mamdani, but this time for all the best reasons. Mamdani's campaign might easily become a nationwide avalanche.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why would liberal media ever bow to a socialist? The capitalists will always understand socialism as a greater threat than fascism.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    For the same reason they speak in reverence of Martin Luther King Jr. and pretend that liberals didn't hate his guts back in the day.

    On a long enough time scale the left always wins, and liberals always pretend that they backed the left the whole time and claim the victory for themselves.

    "A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current war and supports all civil rights movements except the one that’s going on right now."

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    might easily become a nationwide avalanche

    Anecdotally, I have fairly non-political coworkers in other states that are hyping up Mamdani. His reach across Gen Z is honestly insane and people are even making TikTok/Instagram hype edits of him all the time

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I kind of doubt that Zohran will have the same arc, since he's campaigning directly against the vested interests of the owners of our major media outlets. I could see him becoming an outside force too large for them to ignore, who ultimately forces them to change tactics, though.

    At the moment, he's an outlier of a candidate for them to try and beat down, and the mainstream media will fight tooth and nail to keep him that way, since him inspiring a broader insurgency of proper leftwing candidates to challenge "progressive" establishment Dems represents an existential crisis for them.

    A successful term as mayor for Zohran could well sound the death knell for them if it leads to either a Tea Party style takeover of the Democrats, or produces enough momentum to lead to a proper third party that unseats the Democrats from their position as the GOP-lite party of controlled opposition. Imagine what could happen if those media organizations had to face a properly funded public broadcasting service, for example, that gained broad purchase amongst the public.

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  • [–] 143 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Lmao, damn, trump seems really scared of this guy.

    All the conservatives seem really scared of this guy.

    Wonder why republicans might be scared of Democratic candidates left of dead center. Almost like a real alternative not slobbering out neoliberal, Chicago school of economics, nonsense could sweep them in a lot of traditional safe seats.

    Or at least be really hard to rally their base against if their base actually hears what the policies are.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well of course. He's charismatic, young and he talks to the people he wants to represent. He's the antithesis of everything they are.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    With the current state of affairs, I’m worried he’s going to fall out of a window and shoot himself in the back of the head

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Small government only when the conservatives institute Christianity in school, ban abortion and sexual education and rob their constituents of everything they have.

    Big government when conservatives need to oppress minorities, fight wars in the Middle East and deport people.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    The problem at this point isn't Republican hypocrisy, this is a known thing, it's every institution that supposedly has the duty to put checks and balances on it not doing that. Congress, the courts and the press are all complicit at this point. It's not leaving the people many options.

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    [–] 111 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I know nothing about this man.

    But since Trump hates him he must be awsome

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Mamdani is a NYC mayorial candidate who is a member of DSA, pro-palestine, has stated that he would have Netanyahu arrested if he came to NYC, and is running on a platform of:

    • Fast and free buses within NYC
    • Rent freeze every year for New Yorkers in rent stabilized housing
    • City owned and operated grocery stores
    • Creation of a Department of Community Safety to tackle mental health challenges rather than NYPD
    • UPK
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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    What's the situation with grocery stores in NYC that the mayor has to promise city owned grocery stores?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    What he's been saying is that NYC has an affordability problem. People can't afford basic necessities (rent, food, transportation, childcare). Can't speak for availability and pricing myself, I don't live in the US.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Creation of a Department of Community Safety to tackle mental health challenges rather than NYPD

    This type of program has been working out well for Albuquerque. It removes a lot of police intervention for calls they aren't trained for (anything not involving a weapon, pretty much).

    https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/acs-reports-94-success-rate-in-violence-intervention-program/

    https://csgjusticecenter.org/publications/expanding-first-response/program-highlights/albuquerque-nm/

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Now there's plenty of reasons to consider him awesome - those have been listed by more serious comments than mine.

    But did you know he used to rap?

    Also, right-wing media tried to brand him "Zohran the Destroyer" and very promptly stopped doing so when they realized it sounds way too cool. Apparently he's going to destroy NYC by advocating for 1) raised minimum wage, 2) universal free daycare, 3) A working fucking bus system. He's got personal experience with the problems of the bus system, numbers, a working proof of concept, and a plan to Trump-Proof the city

    I'm not even American and I'm rooting for him. Both because he might actually improve people's lives and because he just seems awesome. Been a long time I've seen a politician with his charisma, enthusiasm, and vision. I hope NYC votes him into the office!

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And we're right back to election interference. I wonder if something will be done about it this time.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Good thing New York doesn’t need it and provides money for the federal government. It’s more like New York will stop till they get their shit together.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Another way to escalate this situation is to raise the taxes on billionaires enough to account for the missing revenue from the federal government. Itemize it and call it the "Trump tax".

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What does New York pay to the Feds? Dr into people pay taxes and that goes to the Feds? So how can a city or state stop that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    There are two different thoughts on how how to do this. Restructure federal tax so that it is paid to the state along with your state income and then the state simply withholds from the fed. The other is that states simply refuse to enforce any sort of federal collection or enforcement of unpaid taxes.

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  • [–] 83 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Just FYI: withholding money is financial abuse, a favorite tactic of abusers, since it leaves no visible marks until significant damage is done.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    I'm so tired of people not telling this old bunch of shit sacks to fuck off. I'd have so much respect for any threatened tRump victim if they just told him the fuck off after shits like that.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Threatening to withhold money from a place that gives you the most money doesn't seem like a smart idea.

    If New York and California don't give them their money, the Federal Government isn't going to have money to withhold.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Then join hands with New England and the west coast and starve them back, because that's who has the money.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    That would only work with like-minded politicians. Old Democrats have spent more energy complaining about Mamdani in the past month than Trump's current presidential run.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I actually think that conservative journals like the WSJ have created the appearance that Democrats are anti-Mamdani, in an attempt to "divide and conquer" democrats.

    i actually see a surprisingly positive response to Mamdani from democratic movements all across the US.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Hey, I am an old Xer and have come to the realization that the reason we lost last election (other than the cheating but decentralized voting almost always wins over cheating)... is because we listened to those "Never Trump Republicans" and embraced the Cheneys and others. That was exactly the wrong tack. We should have embraced instead the Bernie/AOC and Elizabeth faction. That would have communicated to the people that we actually cared about their life circumstances in this post-Covid, war infected supply chain challenged economy. Let the New Economics/Distributist peeps inform us with some resilient strategies. We are Fucking Tired of the Old Ideas.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm not sure how states could withhold money from the feds.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    He is copying Orbán in Hungary. He also "starved" the capital city because they elected an opposition mayor. The city is near bankruptcy at the moment. But hey, mini Trump also wanted to ban the Pride march there last Saturday, and as a result he made it the biggest mass event of the past 10 years.

    So if things happen similarly, Trump might be able to actually do this, but it might just ruin his chances at the next election - provided there will be another one, according to him.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You know what??? NY will survive. We survived prior to the Revolution. We survived after the Revolution and before the Constitution. We will continue this... and honestly, the FEDS do fucking nothing for us and why do they deserve to be paid??? They are fucking loafing political lying fucks. Fuck them and fire them.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ok, taco. can't wait for the day he walks this back and act like he's on top of things

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If that happens, time for more mass protests. Surround the White House and stop anyone from entering and leaving until funding to NYC is restored.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'll be honest they're not working from my perspective. I see them everyday and I see the news the next morning.

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  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This shows that waiting to 2026 and hoping that Dems will take over Congress is really pointless. They won't acknowledge and certify any results that aren't their people.

    At this point we either fight or accept end of US as a democracy.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago*

    We do not fight on their terms.

    They want battles in the streets. They want explosives, dead feds and cops.

    They want 258,000,000 dead Americans. They don't give two shits what side it's on.

    A Mayoral election giving the elite this much terror is extremely telling. The GOP didn't work the top down, they worked the bottom up. Local governments, states, and the branches of the Federal government.

    If NYC can get this guy elected, then the doubt that fascists need to instill in the idea of democracy gets bolstered, and they have to do things that will be even more unpopular than kidnapping immigrants.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    At this point we either fight or accept end of US as a democracy.

    I really wish we could stop all the pussyfooting and just get to the actual open conflict portion on the program already. It's obviously what both sides want at this point, let's cut the shit and just do the fuckin thing already.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    A frequent occurrence with forced regime change is trading out one evil for one or more worse evils. Check out Sudan's history. It's not at all easy to build a democracy, so the establishment is rightly hesitant to just scrap this one, as direly troubled as it is.

    Odds are we're just going to coast BAU into oblivion.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Billionaires are happy to say people work harder when they're desperate and boy the billionaires are working hard to smear this guy.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I still am laughing at what Wonkette used for their image and headline on how the qons are reacting to Mamdani.. 🤣 🤣 🤣

    "Wingnuts Exactly As Calm As You'd Expect Over Mamdani's NYC Primary Win" https://www.wonkette.com/p/wingnuts-exactly-as-calm-as-youd

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This sounds like more of the "socialism never works [because conservatives/capitalists sabotage it]"

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I guess they'll have to withhold they're federal taxes to help pay for the shortfall.

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