[two characters are arguing in a break room, coffee machine and all]

[teal, holding a coffee cup] Without mentioning avocado, explain to me what guacamole is

[purple, taken aback] Huh?!

[zoom on teal's very smug face, the coffee steaming in front of them] I knew it You can't Your guac ideology doesn't work Heh Pft Owned

[purple looks blasé and has no words]

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[–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

"THEY" dont want you to know theres an extra charge for guac

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I'm assuming guacamole is communism? What avocado?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    mashed up oily stone fruit

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    [–] 133 points 10 months ago (29 children)

    A creamy, fat rich, savory fruit paste traditionally served with Hispanic food. It serves to accent the seasoning of spicy dishes by balancing the heat to allow more of the complex flavors through. It's also popularly consumed on its own as a dip. While some of these things can be accomplished by sour cream or humus, both have their own distinctive qualities that prevent them from being a 1:1 comparison.

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  • [–] 44 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    Do you want to take this inside, guac boy?

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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    "That savory fruit in your description? Nothing more than a direct stand in for the very avocado I told you couldn't be used to form your description. You don't get to genie your way out of your obvious inability to describe your precious ideology without making an appeal to an avocado by any other name."

    -Very smart Internet person

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    It's so weird to me when I hear people describe avocados as fruit. Because they are clearly. But it just feels wrong to me and I don't know why.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    If you're at all from the US it may be due to use to us teaching that sweet things are fruit and not sweet things are vegetables.

    That 90's era food pyramid really fucked up a generation.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    No, see cuz you calling it a vegetable just sounds equally weird to me. They're both weird. I don't know why.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Alright, so avacados are the globs of meat dangling from some trees that they use to reproduce.

    Is that sounding more natural to you?

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Ok, now do it without mentioning food, food preparation, or eating.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    It's not a culinary fruit, it's a culinary vegetable. There's a botanical classification system, and a different culinary classification system. When describing food it is incorrect to use the botanical classifier.

    Other than that, good description

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Guacamole is a mash made of fruit and spices, often used as dip for corn chips.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    pushes glasses Fruits like grapes?! Dint you know that mashed grapes make a jelly

    Owned!

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Add in pectin and guac can be jelly, too. 😌

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    Botanically everything that comes off a plant that you can eat is a fruit, the distinction of fruits and vegetables is purely a culinary thing.

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    Kale is a leaf, different from a fruit as it’s not something the plant produces from a flower, but the plant body itself.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Yes indeed, which is why your comment confused me:

    Botanically everything that comes off a plant that you can eat is a fruit

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Leaves don’t come off the plant, they are the plant, fruits come off of the plant.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    "Come off" is possibly a fluent English expression here. Taken literally anything that is removed from a plant has come off it. You're using the expression which means something produced by the plant that is edible by function and doesn't harm the plant to remove, usually as part of seed dispersal. E.g. fruits, nuts, berries squash, corn, grains, etc...

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Holy shit, I get so fucking sick of lemmy pedants. I’m done with this thread, don’t care anymore.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    As a socialist, I get a "name a socialist country that...."

    And I ask "define socialist country" and they lose this shit. Do they want to simply change what socialist country means as I drop answers or just gonna have some weird argument about my answers

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  • [–] 51 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    It's mocking people that engage in bad-faith ideological debates.

    Avocado is an essential ingredient in making guacamole, but, by "banning" its mention in the discussion and consequently stymying the opponent, the first figure is assuming and posturing as if they won a legitimate debate.

    Which is so obviously false as to be humorous.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    I've had this exact scenario on reddit, many years ago. I can't remember the specifics but it was literally like this comic. "Without using the core part of this topic, you can't explain how this topic works"

    IIRC it was climate change (back when that was the hot button political issue) and something like "oh yeah, well without using man made CO2 emissions, explain the rise in CO2 and temperature, you can't", where their point was that it was "volcanoes"

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    Never heard of anyone doing that ngl. Except possibly secularists with arguments about certain morality, eg, "without using the Bible, explain how homosexuality is immoral" although I think I've only come across that one twice

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I feel like that's different, as the point is to make the moralist admit that they want Christian Religious Law.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not talking about a debate over "should homosexuality/same-sex-marriage be illegal/banned", just morality in general. It's kind of hard to believe in and justify objective morality without some form of religion. From what I can tell, it's the Humanists who understand this

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  • [–] 36 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Without using plate tectonics, explain how fish fossils ended up on mountains. That’s right, it must be the Noah flood.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago*

    Never heard that one, that's quite mental. One thing I heard from a young earth creationist was that "global warming isn't accurate because it's using an assumption that the earth is 6-10,000 years old".... Although in that case, wouldn't it be much more urgent?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Like people that try to nullify an argument against cars by saying "well you have a car so you are a hypocrite"... we may all be forced to own a car but that does not preclude anyone from understanding what's negative about cars or cities designed for driving

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Seasoned drupe paste.

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    [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Guacamole is a food made up of onions, peppers, spices and other fruits with creamy textures intended to be added to generally Central American dishes to add texture and light flavors.

    P.S. I don't like guac usually

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