show transcripttumblr post by seokoilua: it's so wild to me that some people just speak english all the time… like they can't switch it off to speak in a #real language when they need to

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[–] 76 points 10 months ago (7 children)
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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    I grew up knowing the most popular language, why would I learn some backwater dump of a language like french only spoken by like 3.8% of humans unless I'm going to go live there or in one of the places they fucked over? Mandarin I could get, same with Spanish just due to total surface area and the best Venn diagram result. But there are so many little languages in the world and humans have finite time to live.

    because, if nothing else, it would make your English better

    Middle English borrowed vocabulary extensively from French dialects, which are the source of approximately 28 per cent of Modern English words, and from Latin, which is the source of an additional 28 per cent.

    when you learn more about a language that influenced "your language", those borrowed words open up and gain more meaning. You master their intricacies and start using them with more tact

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    There's no shame in admitting you won't learn a second language because you don't have time or don't want to.

    Now calling French "some backwater dump of a language" when it has had such an immense cultural impact worldwide (including in the "most popular language") just sounds silly.

    Also, it's okay to learn one of these "little languages" for fun. Not everything in life needs to be practical and/or min-mixed for ultimate efficiency.

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  • [–] 65 points 10 months ago (23 children)

    Some people never pressed Alt+Shift to change to another language keyboard layout...

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Im more of a super + space person :3

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I rebound that "menu" key nobody uses below R-Shift for language switching

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)

    Rebind alt to ctrl as God intended, win/menu to alt, and the crummy corner ctrl keys pressed by the pathetic pinky, to switch to the desired language at once.

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    Mac user, more like. Macs have the main modifier, the command key, under the thumb aka the strongest digit. But have you also seen MS Natural 4000 ergonomic keyboards? They have humongous alt keys, which are of course properly remapped to cmd in Mac. Using that pair is nothing short of a revelation. I don't want to ever once pretend again that my pinky finger is seriously supposed to be often used in shortcuts. It's nonsensical and self-debilitating.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children)

    ik the mac layout, it's just that haiku maps alt to opt, which it also happens to use as the primary modifier (for things like copy paste etc), so still under thumb like in macos, just with weird names unlike macos. in haiku win is mapped to cmd, but uses as secondary mod (like alt in windows). then ctrl is mapped to alt, which acts like win does on windows (system level commands like window management) EDIT: fixed typo

    at least that's how i remember it

    my brother also has that weird ms keyboard btw, i liked it

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago

    I was gonna say that I don't use Alt+Shift because Linux Mint doesn't have a preconfigured shortcut for that and I just assigned keyboard layouts to F7 and F8, but then I double-checked to make sure I wouldn't spread misinformation and it turned out that Linux Mint DOES have preconfigured shortcuts in the keyboard settings. That's something new I learnt today and that's all because of you, so thank you :3

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Or had to use the keybord by memory.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Hey, I didn't switch to an English (well, US-ANSI) keyboard layout until my 40s!

    ...

    Well, I'm still in my mid 40s. So not that long ago. But it's so much better for programming. 😁

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    So much better!

    The french is insane for programming 😓

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I'll have you know that I regularly do that by accident and switch from UK-US, which is the same except for a few symbols. I usually realise after the 3rd or 4th password attempt.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Every French-speaking qwerty user should learn about https://qwerty-fr.org/. qwerty layout, all French special characters, even the ones that the standard azerty layout does not have, and no dead keys.

    Other Latin alphabets might have something similar idk. If you write in Cyrillic, glhf I guess.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Although it’s clear that Azerty manages to be considerably worse than Qwerty, the latter is still a terrible , keymap, designed to work with limitations on the first typewritters. A modern keymap designed for ergonomics and efficiency (like Ergo-L, don’t bother learn Bépo nowadays) is immensely better, although it needs a learning and adaptation period.

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  • [–] 34 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    it's so wild to me that people just speak with their mouths all the time... like they can't switch it off to sign in a real language when they need to

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  • [+] 34 points 10 months ago (7 children)
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    Er sagt, dass manche Leute die ganze Zeit nur englisch sprechen, als könnten sie nicht anders

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Listen, I'm trying, men min dansk er stadig meget dårlig

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    and you try to learn Danish, one of the hardest languages in the world. I mean, same, jeg lærer dansk, but ayoo we need to chill and just pick up spanish or something

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    Ret flot, du huskede nutids -r på et ord med r-lyd, det er der mange indfødte, der ikke forstår... Pero, hablamos Español oder Deutsch... Bara inte prada det dritt sproket Svenska... I have no idea how close to Swedish I got there, maybe I mixed in a bit of colonial Norwegian, who cares? Real people speak real languages, not drunkenly Danish with mashed potatoes dripping down their shirts. (There, that should be enough to piss off those frikadelle reinventing posers across the sund)

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    i fucking hate when some entrepreneurs who left Ukraine come by and obviously can speak Ukrainian but still insist on speaking English-only even though there is no real reason for it. And even when you just start talking Ukrainian they will still speak English for some reason and never switch and pretend nothing is wrong. Now that's an inferiority complex.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    As a person from a Ukrainian immigrant family who's mom is the last to speak the language, that is just painfully sad. The language is such an important part of the culture and to deny it's existence even to yourself is just sad

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    it is what it is. these guys think they are better than those in Ukraine by virtue of moving out to another country and doing business there even though most Ukrainian entrepreneurs in the field probably end up making more money than them anyway. But then magically - when it comes to do their dream project - some tinder for deep thinkers or whatever the fuck with AI - they turn to their motherland for some cheap labour and act like they're the master race even though they're just cheapskate poseurs who are ashamed of their own national identity.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Jeśli język ma mniej niż 7 przypadków to nie jest prawdziwy /j

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I wish I was better at learning languages. I know barely enough spanish that I think I could sort of communicate and a tiny bit of russian but it would be so fun to actually be able to speak them.

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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago (22 children)

    Although I don’t think English is that great of a language overall, imo it’s very very powerful.

    What it lacks in logical consistency it makes up for with lots and lots of words (and idioms) that mean similar things but are slightly different for different use cases.

    It has a very powerful toolbox for describing things in a very direct, specific manner.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I saw a video of a Spanish author, fluent in English, who said in an interview that he preferred writing in English for more or less these reasons.

    Found it: https://youtu.be/NJYoqCDKoT4

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Oh, that was cool. Spanish is my second language (after English) and sometimes I'm not sure if I'm having trouble finding the right words because I just don't know the terms, or if it's because the terms don't exist at all in the language.

    Tangentially, it's true what they say about one's personality being different when they speak in a different language. I wish I could be as quick-witted and punny in Spanish as I can be in English, but between the words I don't know and the processing time it sometimes takes to communicate ideas, it's a challenge.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    Really? My impression is that most of the time English is more imprecise with the meaning of words than my native language, and tends to overload them a lot

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    I do recognize and appreciate the flexibility of English, but isn't that opposite to the "precision"? (I'm sure there's a more appropriate linguistic term but that's not my geek area)

    As you said, all the borrowing allows it to express almost anything, but very often in ad-hoc, incoherent ways.

    Btw, I didn't mean that English doesn't have a word to express X, just that several, very specific words in Italian often get translated to the same, broader-meaning English word (that can then become more specific with extra adjectives/qualifiers/whatever)

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    very specific words in Italian often get translated to the same, broader-meaning English word

    That sounds like a translation issue.
    Language shapes the way people interpret the world. If you think in Italian then this precision is defined by that language and may or may not exists.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    The article you mention states:

    The strongest interpretation of the linguistic relativity hypothesis, also known as the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis or "Whorfianism", posits that a language's vocabulary (among other features) shapes or limits its speakers' view of the world. This interpretation is widely criticized by

    I'd add you don't think in any language. You express yourself in a language.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    a multilingual can write what you wrote. Monolinguals are shaped by the limits of one language (and mostly a poor utilitarian corner of that language.) They can't think of something with which they have no words for or don't even feel like they're missing words for something they need to communicate

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    Ooh, that sounds like a fun game. What are the words you're talking about? I bet I could find a more precise word (or sometimes compound words or phrases) that expresses that concept very exactly.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I second this game idea. It sounds fun, and like it could be helpful for other non-native English speakers who want to learn more vocabulary.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Also, what a lot of non-native speakers might not understand is that sometimes, especially with English, the correct translation is to leave a word untranslated.

    You know, since all words are English words, as long as you get the grammar correct 🤣

    (joking but it's kind of true though)

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    You're right. English can be real tricky. I've known Spanish speakers to say "scape" instead of "escape," because similar words in Spanish that have English counterparts usually drop the e-. For example, escuela -> school; estudiar -> to study; hell, even Español -> Spanish. There are loads of examples of this pattern, but a handful of words (like "escape" and "escalate") defy it. It's gotta be so confusing.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I'm not sure where we got the e- prefix from, but once upon a time it seems to have been used to modify the meaning of words. Obviously it's no longer in use, just a relic of lost grammatical rules.

    And now we have a new e- prefix, such as email and e-bikes. I wonder if future linguists will think that "escape" refers to a digital lawn 🤔

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    About the only language with more flexibility is Mandarin Chinese.

    That's nonsense. Inflectional languages can modify the meaning of words in subtle ways by prepending prefixes or appending suffixes (often both), and this applies widely across the vocabulary. In place of that, English uses function words compounded with content words to form new terms, but these pairs are hard-defined. E.g. ‘get’ adopts different meanings if it's ‘get on’, ‘get off’, ‘get up’, ‘get down’, ‘get in’, etc. But you can't say something like ‘make in’ and expect it to have anywhere near the same shade of meaning as ‘get in’.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The thing is that English can be precise, and often is in the written language, but people simply don't speak like that. Indirect expressions and implied meaning are utilised more often than lengthy, often Latin or Greek based, terms in the spoken language of native speakers.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    I use "big words" and "flowery words" sometimes when I speak. I'm not trying to be weird, just that sometimes those are the best words to fit the moment. I've had coworkers remark on my vocabulary, even making up a "word of the day" based on something I said, haha.

    So yeah, most people don't speak like that, but thankfully some of us are nerds. The words I use on Lemmy are the same words I speak (albeit formatted more coherently than the ungrammatical weirdness that sometimes escape my mouth.)

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    one of its "powers" is that it doesn't belong to a certain nation (consider académie française for contrast)

    it's not even the "native" language of the country that made it globish. There are native speakers in different countries and none of these variations invalidate others.

    consider Indian English, consider Tok Pisin! 🤯

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I think other germanic languages are much better at that. Look at german or swedish, they often have much more precise constructions for concepts. Tho langauges are very complex and its very hard to speak generally about them like this. I still hate how english works even tho im basically a native speaker. Standing there and listeneing to a non-native trying to pronounce priests or trying to explain to them what shouldnt've means is painful. Of course my other first language being hungarian this is kinda hypocritical cause thats much more of a bitch to learners.

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