I am not against paying for services to unlock extra features, but I utterly despise the way YouTube premium is entirely composed of features we had but they took away.
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Was such a shamelessly sleazy was to try and twist arms into using their service. Nevermind that it just spawned a thousand different 3rd party tools for getting around this annoying limiter. It just felt like a huge red flag, indicating they were going to use their native app to be fucking annoying to their clients going forward.
The lite version does not include this. It also still shows ads on music and shorts.
I don't understand. I play videos in the background all the time.
Not on free YouTube you don't.
Maybe an issue with your browser then? Which one do you use?
The background play is removed on cell phones. It used to be possible, but they removed it, only so they could charge money for enabling it again. I doubt they removed it from desktop.
Try using desktop mode on your phone's browser. I've had good results.
For anyone wondering, only 4x speed is behind premium:

Do people even use that?
Who's got enough hours in the day to only watch reaction videos of teenagers eating foreign chocolate bars at only double speed?
I'm aware that this is a joke, but it's also my point. Those types of videos are usually sped up already. How on earth can someone digest anything from a video in 4x speed?
Honestly, no idea. I think they're just clutching at straws for things to "offer", because the the next step is obviously going to be "take away the other options from free users"
I know right. I always alter the speed. I watch nearly everything at 1.25 speed because it shortens my viewing time without missing any content and I almost never even notice the difference. With really slow talkers I can get to to 1.75 speed. I almost never go to 2x. I can't imagine 4x. There is one guy I have to actually show down to 0.75 speed to digest.
I use 2x on certain videos where some talks really slow and I want them to get on with the explanation but don't want to scrub through it trying to hit the right timestamp.
It’s why there’s like a second or two of a delay before the video plays when I watch on a browser with uBO. The connection isn’t slow, they’re just purposely slowing it down.
When they say ‘faster playback speeds’ they don’t mean faster connection speeds, they mean watching videos at 1.5x normal speed (or faster).
Sometimes they even show an "Experiencing interruptions?" popup just to be extra dickheads. I am patient, I can wait.
its not an issue after it loads, and sometimes the "delay" doesnt activate on other videos.
Because where would we be if we couldn‘t CONSUME ENDLESS SLOP AT FOUR TIMES SPEED?! Seriously who needs this? This is sickening.
Slop comment aside, a lot of people with ADHD listen to videos at 1.5x or more speed because that’s how their brain works.
I watch a bunch of channels that are mostly talking and are 20+ minutes. I always put it on 1.5x speed and its barely noticeable and you get used to it. It saves me time without any loss of what was being shown so I consider it a win.
1 question, this feature already exists for non paying costumers, does this mean its going to be a pay for option only soon? That will piss me off...
I was thinking they'd cap the free speed up at either 1.5 or 2, but I don't know
I think it trains your brain to be even more impatient and when you talk to people in real life, you will think everyone is slow and annoying.
Reading a book is probably hard for your brain too.
That makes faster playback a disability affordance, for legal reasons
1.5x is totally legitimate but Youtube advertises 4x speed. They put 4x speed behind a paywall. That‘s ridiculous.
Try watching videos by "explaining computers". Actually pretty good content (mostly on single board computers like raspberry pi), but he talks glacially. Normally I watch at 1.5x, this channel is one of just a few where I need to up it to 2x.
I usually just skip to the part where he reveals the price of the amazingly cheap sbc, then click off when it's definitely not cheap.
When you think about it, it’s not really that different from learning to read faster, which is a valued skill.
(There’s an argument to be made that for many things you’d be better off reading rather than watching YouTube vids at 4x but let’s not focus on that.)
Tutorials where they are going through stuff you 90% understand already and you just need to find that juicy remaining 10%.
Have you seen people who complain about written jnfo his video info? Its because they can read thr info faster than listening to it be said. But if you speed it up to 2x or 3x then it becomes the same as reading in terms of time. You get used to it over time. I can't listen to anything at 1x speed anymore.
I’ve thought about dipping my toes into this but I don’t want to start getting antsy when people talk IRL
Do NOT do it. I dont think the time saved is worth it. It hasnt changed irl stuff for me but any media feels painfully slow. I had to listen to a 1hr video conference with a group on 1x speed and I felt like I was being tortured. I had to refocused myself every sentence because i couldn't hold attention on sentences that were being said so slowly.
If you want to consume info fast then reading is way better.
How does playing videos faster than x1 affect creators i actually want to watch? The Spiffing Brit did a thing a while ago about doubling their view time (and thus engagement) by having people watch the videos at 1/2 speed. If that was true it makes sense that watching it at 2x would only count as a half watch even if you watched all of it.
My boss uses a VPN and some other clandestine methods to subscribe via India, so he pays the equivalent of about £3 per month for premium.
I gave it a try, but could never quite manage. You need to fully turn off location services, use an Indian registered Gmail and pay via a credit card of some kind. I think you also need a registered address, but he just used one for a random hotel in Bangladesh.
Got a 3 month free trial of it, honestly love the things I used to have. But it still stutters like shit and is a garbage feed of shit I don't watch. I will not be paying when it's used up.
even better adblock. unless they aggressively go after anti-adblock, like preventing the page from loading there arnt getting new subscribers.
I pay for premium to get rid of ads. Not convinced that adblockers will be a permanent and privacy friendly option but havent really explored it. But anything faster than maybe 2.35x is unintelligible, and not worth usint due to sound "tearing" issues (youtube lets you adjust it in 0.05x increments)
TizenTube Cobalt or Smart Tube on AndroidTV
I've never liked YouTube.
I didn't watch it when it was free. I didn't watch it when it had ads. I don't watch it now. It is bad. Most of the content on it is bad.
Super hot take that.
You do realise that there isn't just one kind of content right?
Not trying to change your mind, I just feel like that's a very narrow minded view of what is a vast wealth of human knowledge in video form.
I mainly watch tech/science stuff, super interesting and definitely has taught me stuff. Theres years worth of educational content on there.
I feel like you can both be right, the sheer number of videos can have years of educational content while still being mostly SEO influencers and money leeching junk. If you go on it with a completely fresh account you're going to see a bunch of brain rot before you tune your algorithm into good content.
Same. I mostly watch informative and educational videos on YouTube.
I am mostly on Nebula these days but it's problem not to avoid YT because most content creators are still on the platform.
I’m with you brother. Are there gems? I’m sure. For example, how to repair things. But 99% of it is garbage.
I never really liked youtube. But you've got to admit that sometimes, when you have a very niche tech problem, there is always one indian making just the right video for you.
YouTube is the only subscription I maintain month to month. Its worth the 13 bucks for no ads, and a music service (to me)
How about fuck YouTube! I'll give my money to the grocery store conglomerate !
Ehhhhhh. I don't love youtube plus but a giant expensive service charging money seems pretty reasonable.
Video hosting all content imagineable is costly.
I'm unsure how being asked to pay for an expensive product is dystopian.
google's offer to accept payment for these "features"^[these aren't really even features: google is offering to disable anti-features which they are choosing to impose on people.] (each and every one of them) is predicated on their assumption that many people are not in control of the software on their own computers.
they haven't completely won the war yet, but the extent to which their assumption is correct is imo pretty dystopian.
That feels dystopian in the same way that a car mechanics offering services like brake pad replacements is dystopian, which is to say, a pretty big stretch. My uncle and his buddies would giggle, a la, Hank Hill if anyone suggested taking that stuff to a mechanic. But for 90% of people, that's the norm.
We've chosen to spend our time on other skills, just as some people are happy to spend their time not learning the intricacies of software on their computers.
To each their own I suppose!
the war on general-purpose computing isn't akin to car mechanics offering services. if you want a car analogy (😬) it is more like car manufacturers attempting to restrict which roads which cars are allowed to drive on (and selling license keys to enable access to other roads).
A road analogy only works if it's their private road which youtube maintains at the cost of hundreds of millions a year.
Why on Earth does youtube owe you unfettered access to its product? What nonsense is that?
Not offering a service, on their own product, is not a "war on general-purpose computing" and to claim so is pretty darn childish.
A road analogy only works if it’s their private road which youtube maintains
Their desire to restrict how you interact with their "free" service necessitates eliminating your fundamental ability to tell your computer what to do - not just for "their private road", but in general. This is what the "war on general computation" is about. (I assume you haven't watched the talk linked in my earlier comment? there is also a transcript here...)
To be clear, they have not won this war yet - which is why all of the software linked in the body of this post is still able to exist! But, they are continuing to move in that direction and offerings like YouTube Premium are predicated on their (correct) assumption that, for many people, having agency over their own computers' behavior is already unimaginable.
So, re: your earlier comment:
That feels dystopian in the same way that a car mechanics offering services like brake pad replacements is dystopian, which is to say, a pretty big stretch. My uncle and his buddies would giggle, a la, Hank Hill if anyone suggested taking that stuff to a mechanic. But for 90% of people, that’s the norm.
I'd say this not at all like car mechanics existing and offering brake pad replacement service. Rather, it is akin to it being made intentionally more difficult and/or outright illegal to replace one's own brake pads - and also to have them replaced by any local mechanic who does not pay a recurring fee to the company that manufactured the car.
Kid, a private service can offer you what it wants. Youtube doesn't owe you the ability to watch its videos however you want for free.
Their desire to restrict how you interact with their “free” service necessitates eliminating your fundamental ability to tell your computer what to do - not just for “their private road”, but in general.
When youtube takes away the programs on YOUR computer, you'll have a point. But restricting how you get to interact with THEIR stuff is different.
There is difference between "what you would like" and "what you are owed."
I would be fine with that, but they are actively removing features we got for free before and put them behind the paywall. And they also actively ignore the wishes of the community. Nobody wants auto-translated video titles and autogenerated dubs without an official way to disable them.
But why are we owed that stuff for free?
We are not. Those features were already free and require no maintenance nor development. Now they are getting paywalled.
Today you use your calculator on the phone for free. Tomorrow it can be paywalled. You are not owed free stuff.
Not trying to be an ass but I'd rather it get feature locked than ban my ass for adblock.


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