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Senate rejects extension of health care subsidies as costs are set to rise for millions of Americans (apnews.com)
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[–] [S] 270 points 11 months ago (63 children)

And there it is. The promised 'vote on subsidies in december' that the 6 dems cancelled the shutdown for. We all new what the outcome would be.

I feel for all those whose insurance premium is about to become unaffordable

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago (19 children)

    I feel for all those whose insurance premium is about to become unaffordable

    Idk. I've been told a bunch of them are Republicans and therefore they deserve to suffer.

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  • [–] 40 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    Pretty sure that's just a dishonest attempt to DARVO the people who acknowledge that republican voters don't care about anything until it harms them directly.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Not just Republicans. Most voters are fixated on local and personal issues. National politicians typically have a free rein on foreign policy thanks to the significant disconnect between international affairs and voter household issues. To add to the problem, Presidents can't be recalled. Judges serve for life. Senators hold office on six-year stretches. The only people who really face the wrath of a disgruntled populace on a regular basis are House Reps (and gerrymandering blunts that knife most election cycles).

    If you really get under the hood of the GOP and ask what makes them tick, one thing that sticks out is the degree to which the fossil fuel industry's presence in a district/state influences the number of Republican voters. Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are great textbook examples, with rises and falls in the profitability of petroleum products neatly tracking their success at electing conservative leaders.

    One question you might want to ask, as a liberal who claims to love universal programs like health care and education and housing and public transportation, is why your own state leaders suck at it so much. California's the 7th largest economy in the world. And they've got broad control over their Medicaid dollars, same as any other state. Why aren't they doing Public Options or State Run Hospitals like their peers in Canada and the UK?

    FFS, blood red Kentucky has a more leftwing health care system than anything in bright blue Washington State or New Jersey.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    'blood red' Kentucky has one of the highest dependencies in federal programs in the country.

    also, Mitch is just an awful "human".

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    ‘blood red’ Kentucky has one of the highest dependencies in federal programs in the country.

    It's home to a large military base and two of the nation's twelve federal prisons.

    Besides, if we're being critically all-inclusive in the beneficiary of federal programs, the two biggest winners have been Silicon Valley, California and Lower Manhattan, NYC, with bright-blue Langley Arlington, Virginia and Boeing HQ / Secondary Financial Capital Chicago, IL running close behind. The $22B Kentucky's economy sees pales behind our Pentagon spending, our international shipping, and our multi-trillion dollar trade in US Treasuries.

    also, Mitch is just an awful “human”.

    Like so many other powerful Senators, McConnell's real power flows through his wife's billionaire family. Her family ties to the lucrative Taiwanese shipping magnet, the Foremost Group, has made her husband's support for US operations in the South Pacific pivotal to both their family fortune and American geopolitical dominance.

    McConnell is actually a military transplant from Alabama, with family tied into the Redstone Arsenal and its attendant social circle. He's been a political chameleon for most of his adult life, slipping seamlessly between Democrat and Republican circles through the Clinton and Bush Eras. He dumped his lefty-liberal activist Sherrill Redmon the same year Ronald Reagan won the presidency, then matched with his current anti-communist beau through Ambassador to Nepal under Bush 41, Julia Chang Bloch.

    So much of Mitch's position and policy have been directed by this political marriage. It's got virtually nothing to do with the political character of Kentucky voters.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    California has MediCal. It's a weird system, but it works better than KY. I know I moved here from KY in 2016.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    As someone who used to work at a pharmacy, Medi-Cal works because it's allocated as part of the state budget along with Medicaid and they actually pay on time (with minimal 3rd party middlemen). Given the shit going on with Medicare Advantage now, that's about the best you can hope for public coverage :)

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Hoping this is sarcasm mocking this kind of take.

    Everyone deserves healthcare. This is like the "I'm calling ICE on my neighbors that I know have undocumented family members because one of them voted for Trump". It's just treating politics as a team sport for entertainment; and not actually caring about it because you want positive change for the world you live in.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    This is like the “I’m calling ICE on my neighbors that I know have undocumented family members because one of them voted for Trump”.

    I'm sure liberal has done this IRL. The desire to punish brown people for voting incorrectly is strongly bipartisan.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    If they brought it about then yes, they do.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago* (7 children)

    Did they bring it about? I seem to recall "Entitlement Reform" as bipartisan issue.

    FFS, look at the Michael Bloomberg campaign. And he's practically running the national party at this point.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Did they bring it about?

    Did they vote for the clowns running this circus?

    I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.

    Always laughable to hear republicans call for 'entitlement reform', because the reform is always 'fuck you, you don't get this anymore'. Or they sell the service to a private company who gets to wring you for every cent, then tell you 'fuck you, pre-existing condition, go die'.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (4 children)

    Did they bring it about?

    Yes, clearly. They put these people in power. They happily voted for a guy who had a health care policy that amounted to "concepts of a plan" for like a decade now.

    The people who didn't vote for Republicans don't deserve it. The children and dependents of Republicans don't deserve it. The adult voting Republicans do deserve it. They did it to themselves, I have zero guilt nor sympathy for them specifically.

    I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.

    I don't. I can't think of a single time from last election season where this was agreed upon as a bipartisan issue. Also, health insurance has never been lumped in with this. Your argument that both parties wanted to end ACA subsidies is absolutely asinine and totally divorced from reality. More lazy "both sides" nonsense usually originating from people who want to feel superior to everybody while also not having to do any work.

    FFS, look at the Michael Bloomberg campaign. And he’s practically running the national party at this point.

    What Bloomberg campaign?

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    They happily voted for a guy who had a health care policy that amounted to “concepts of a plan” for like a decade now.

    They were the same guys voting for Romney in 2012, the man whose health plan was good enough for Obama to crib wholesale.

    I can’t think of a single time from last election season where this was agreed upon as a bipartisan issue.

    Joe Biden Has Advocated Cutting Social Security for 40 Years

    What Bloomberg campaign?

    He's the thirteenth most prolific campaign financier in 2024

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    They were the same guys voting for Romney in 2012, the man whose health plan was good enough for Obama to crib wholesale.

    Yeah, and then you fucking dumbasses started calling it "communism" and yelling about "death panels". Did you forget? If you're proud of that achievement, why did you reject it entirely four years later?

    You're seriously trying to act like we stole what you think was a good idea after the way you acted? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Are you seriously trying to pretend that Republicans support nationwide universal healthcare? No one can be that stupid.

    I don't understand what you think you're supporting with the Biden link. Your assertion was Republicans somehow didn't bring about the situation they currently face. Did you forget, you fucking dumbass?

    You seriously just some random thing that in no one supports your argument. You're to pretend you never made that argument to begin with. I don't even know what to say, how the fuck does that dispute the text you put it under?

    You said that he "runs the party" and your link his 13th? How fucking stupid can you be? How is being 13th give him unilateral control over the party?

    Stop making ridiculous you can't even remotely support, it's just fucking sad.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    you fucking dumbasses started calling it “communism”

    Oh sure. That was half the joke of 2009. Insurance lobbyists going on TV and predicting America would become Venezuela for getting subsidized private coverage.

    And Democrats were happy to play along. Lieberman filibustered the Public Option from within his own party because the TV news made the bill so unpopular

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    Anyone who was surprised by this needs to retire from having political opinions of any kind, to say nothing of such people who actually hold any political power.

    The former should develop humility and realize they are idiots.

    The latter should be maimed, defrauded of their wealth, and then forced to endure their own system.

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  • [+] -19 points 11 months ago (23 children)

    Imagine if the government was still shut down and we still didn’t have these subsidies.

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago (22 children)

    I would approve. The government shutdown was serving my interests.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Some people rely on SNAP.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    And if it never comes back, they will need to find alternative means of acquiring food. Maybe their state decides to go "fuck it" and replaces SNAP outright despite what the feds say. Or maybe there's a grassroots movement that creates a new SNAP.

    The important thing is, the longer the shutdown goes on, the less people will depend on the Trump regime to satisfy their needs.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I think the thing that people like you don’t realize is that government shutdowns almost never lead to legislation changes. It is basically just a political gesture that is meant to move public opinion only.

    Dems maintained positive public opinion for a while, but it wasn’t going to last forever. Republicans were not going to cave on the issue, and after the longest shutdown in history, it’s possible their internal polling showed public opinion was starting to sour.

    Your opinion (and a lot of others in this community) is to keep the government shut down forever and magically that’ll lead to all your legislations getting passed and nobody will be harmed by this shutdown and only republicans are viewed negatively. It’s a great fantasy, but in the real world, you don’t get everything, especially when you are not in control.

    What I see here is the Republican Party voted to get rid of these subsidies, and you guys just want to blame Democrats because they didn’t want to shoot themselves in the foot on top of being smothered by the party in power.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Republicans were not going to cave on the issue

    There's no way of knowing that. Some Republicans were starting to get whiny and jittery. But the Dems blinked first and saved the Republicans' bacon.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    And there’s no way for us to know if democrats were on the verge of over playing their hand. I would bet the party had internal polling that told them it was the right time to end the shutdown.

    It’s also worth noting that many of the democrats that wanted to cave also cared about the people being harmed by the shutdown. Real people.

    People on here do not care because, just like that other commenter, the shutdown served their best interests, so who cares. Well there are congress people that do care.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    Oh, I am fully aware that legislation changes are impossible even under the threat of a continued shutdown. What I'm interested in is usurpation of Congress by the states. Illinois governs a lot better than the feds do, and I very much desire Illinois, California, and other agreeable Democratic states to ignore the directives of the three federal branches and recognize a new three that they all favor.

    I am aware of the Logan Act, and I don't care. The new three branches will serve the people far better than the old ones. Hell, I would like Illinois to deal with Canada directly so the US' allies know which states are friendly and which are not. This is also the only way to overthrow the current SCOTUS in our lifetimes.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Sounds like you’re looking for civil war basically.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    It's the only way out. Those in charge won't allow any other way.

    People like to hate on Democrats for all the appeasing they do, but they sometimes get hesitant when thinking of the alternative. Freedom isn't supposed to be easy when you're subjugated.

    And considering how awful the US military is with quelling dissent in countries they've invaded, I'd say the Democrat states have a good chance if they stay focused. Not to mention all the foreign support flowing in due to the opportunity for a regime change.

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  • [+] -28 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Sound like all my Republican friends.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    So your friends are Republicans and you think the Dems did the right thing backing down on healthcare subsidies? Sounds like you are your Republican friends bud

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  • [+] -12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It serves my interests so we should do that. That’s some Republican ass mentality.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, totally republican ass mentality to want to keep subsidies for people instead of caving on a vote that will totes happen. You ever think 'their interests' is having healthcare subsidies? Or do you assume the worst unless someone breaks out the crayons?

    Fucking copium, my dude. My family has snap benefits and medicaid, and it would have been in my best long term interests for the government to stay shut down until the republicans caved and let the democrats help people. It was going to be a hard couple of months, but I was hoping my reps would have the stones to fight for their constituents, instead of rolling over (as is tradition) and letting the republicans have another win and take more from the people who have the least.

    But hey, good thing they thought of the best interests of the economy and wall street. They're the real ones hurt during these shutdowns. 🙄

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    It’s a Republican ass mentality to say it serves me me me. If the user had said it was for the greater good because of subsidies and Trump and what not, I wouldn’t have left the comment I did. But they said it serves me me me and they don’t care about any of the people genuinely affected by the government shutdown.

    The opinion is not republican, but the behavior is 100% republican.

    Edit: It’s also worth noting my original comment that started all this.

    Imagine if the government was still shut down and we still didn’t have these subsidies.

    So the user’s reply to that comment was to say he didn’t care about the subsidies or shutdown cause it benefited them.

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  • [+] 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)
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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Nah, my Republican friends are selfish and would say something like “it serves my best interest” so we should keep doing that.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    You're turned around here bro, we all wanted

    You must be turned around cause that’s not the words the user wrote. If it was, I wouldn’t have written my comment.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago*

    I think you’re making significantly more out of my comment than what was actually said. I responded to a guy saying “me me me” with “you sound like a different group of people that also say me me me”. Any deeper meaning you are giving to that comment is on you.

    As for downvotes, I clearly don’t care. Lemmy users tend to be wildly unrealistic when it comes to what democrats should do. I’m fine with getting downvoted for going against the grain. Somebody has to or this echo chamber will spiral out of control.

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  • [+] -30 points 11 months ago (17 children)

    I don't. It's going to hurt the red states more. Even in the areas that aren't red, more people went so far to the left they chose to support Trump or sit out the vote which helped secure his house and senate wins.

    People are finally waking up to realize that elections have consequences and the latest elections are showing it.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago* (14 children)

    Until it hurts someone you do like. My dude, that is the exact republican mentality we need to overcome eh?

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    Eh, at this point I'd be happy just to see a lot more graves with a red baseball cap hanging off them and an epitaph inscribed saying "I didn't vote for this".

    They had, what, almost a decade to read the writing on the wall? Maybe two if you want to go all the way back to Bush (or four for Reagan)? I used to try to link resources for education when discussing with these people, explain the consequences of our own and others' actions, and where have we ended up now anyway?

    Fuck 'em. The more of them that die, the less problems my generation and my family and friends have to worry about in the future, and hey, maybe I can nab a cheap house at their bankruptcy auction.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    MAGA ignorance is the result of the oligarchs war on the working class via destroying public education among a litany of other things.

    Nothing about magas dying will prevent the cycle repeating.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Then the clear solution is that there should have been grassroot organizations that took charge and emphasized the importance of an educated citizenry...

    Oh wait, there were. The response was that they banned books and criminalized areas of study (Critical Race Theory) that would give the citizenry the ability to reflect on history and their abuses. All of this occurred within the last 13 years, by the way.

    Brain drain has already taken effect from those who took the emigration route out of their state to a place that valued them. If those of sound mind need to escape but are unable to afford, let I be the first one to donate to their plane or train ticket. As for the rest of the state, let it fail. Let it self destruct. Allow the Kansas Experiment to repeat until nothing is left but the hollow shells of buildings.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (5 children)

    Exactly. These people are probably producing lots and lots of mini-mes. Cons may rebrand out of being "maga" into something else, just like they tried to make "tea party" a thing, but it is the same old shit in a different box - the oligarchs will whip up division - the old favorite is of course along racial lines, but lately, there has been a big helping of anti-trans rhetoric, and also a huge addition of inter-generational conflict, and I see lots of the so-called "left" buying into that, and... holy shit is that stupid. But I digress. Anyway, the oligarchs whip up this division, get a lot of idiots voting for Republicans so they can "hurt the right people" or lots of tankie type morons sitting out or lodging protest votes for the unelectable because "gerontocracy" or whatever the fuck, and then, of course, get lots of policies that funnel more money and power upwards...

    People keep thinking the younger generations will save us and I want to believe it, but just don't see the evidence. If anything, I see them getting sucked into a vortex of red-pill bullshit on the various platforms at very impressionable ages and with very little life experience or wisdom to counter it. At least when boomers or gen-xers or older Gen Y were/are getting exposed to things like this as well as Faux, they had experience prior to encountering it...

    I definitely think many have even less media literacy and less critical thinking skills than prior generations, since conservatives have been doing everything possible to chip away at anything like that in public schools. Texas Republicans even had opposition to critical thinking in their platform...

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    As a Gen Z who has gone to great lengths to ensure I have the education needed to engage with these issues honestly, and who is surrounded by colleagues of a similar level of understanding in my state (California), I heavily dispute your statement.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    That's great, but that's anecdotal. Please show me how education has improved in the areas of critical thinking and media literacy in the aggregate. I'd love to be wrong about this.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    I probably would be unable to present anything substantial due to the lack of data available under both Trump administration's Department of Education, and the lack of relevant census data.

    The point I'm trying to make is describing us as a monolith of AI slop consumers and social media addicts doesn't make your calls for change any more heard, nor is an accurate portrayal for how we think for ourselves.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    This is not aimed at you and those you know personally. It's about the broader picture and how I keep hearing copium from some on the left about how once older people die off, everything will be miraculous because the younger people have figured shit out in a way that no one older than them has.

    It feels like I've heard this one before.

    Hell, I can watch old media that has the boomers saying this. People my age (Gen X) said this same kind of stupid shit when I was a kid and an adolescent. I thought it was stupid then and I think it's stupid now (I still hear Gen X grumbling about how boomers took all the air out of the culture. Yes, they did and still do. Yes, Gen X is the forgotten step child of generations. As my generation was fond of saying, cry me a river, build a bridge and get the fuck over it.). Boomers and the Silent Generation could all disappear tomorrow and we'd still have the same problems. This intergenerational bullshit has been more weaponized now than it has in the past - before it was just movies/TV telling an age bracket that tends towards deep narcissism that they are the special anointed ones, now instead of broadcast, that is narrowcasted with algorithms to match.

    The fact is, the conservative project of dismantling public education and making it even worse and generally trying to make people even more idiotic (but compliant) has been decades in the making. So, it's not quite clear to me what is going to cause a sudden illumination of millions of minds that are drowning in a sea of nonsense.

    Like I said, I would love be wrong about not believing that any generation (Z, alpha, beta) have it all figured out. I'd love to live in a world where humans all got increasingly more intelligent and more capable of wrestling with big problems and having more empathy, human decency, etc. Maybe transhumanist breakthroughs will make something like that actually happen, I don't know. Something like that might be the real game changer.

    But while Republicans are actively breaking education and completely taking over all media platforms, I don't see how some great awakening is going to happen. People don't tend to suddenly gain critical thinking skills on their own.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago*

    Its OK to dispute it, but you understand that you're basically describing a filter bubble, right? You're well educated and surround yourself with well educated people, but that's not something that will describe the average person. Its a bit naive to assume that because you understand these topics and surround yourself with others of your ilk, your peers are doing the same.

    Millennials had plenty of people who were well educated and could engage openly and honestly about hard topics. But they're outnumbered by those that choose not to think too deeply. Just like Gen X, Boomers, etc. And unfortunately, without any evidence of the contrary, its a safe assumption that your generation will run along the same lines. I really hope I'm wrong. But as they say, hope in one hand....

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    Fuckin A brother. I grew up on the hopium of making changes and leave the world a better place but giant swathes of people would rather see it all burn just so they can show the other side they were right.

    Me n mine are doing what we can to survive whatever the hell happens and just be happy in our little slice of heaven as independent as we can be.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    When one side is hellbent on criminalizing your existence, why would you give a shit about trying to appease the other side and shake their hand lol.

    But hey, if you got a place where people accept each other and are willing to work together for a better future, good for you. I'm just hoping I don't get dragged away from my family, and to outlive those who try.

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    • [–] 68 points 11 months ago (16 children)

    I’m sure Schumer’s brow is extra furrowed today.

    Glasses just dangling off the tip of his nose.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (8 children)

    I wouldn't worry about Chuck S.'s glasses running out of nose length.

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    That's awfully antisemenetic of you

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    me thinks it was about him being a liar tho.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I'm aware. I think you guys misread what I said though

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    I'm sure he'll be having frantic conversations with the split personalities alternate identities mental fabrications of the "median voter" he's constructed in his head.

    https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/scott-jennings-roasts-schumer-for-inventing-actual-imaginary-friends-does-he-belong-in-the-senate-or-an-asylum/

    That's not really a joke, for nearly two decades now, he basically invented multiple, imagined "median voters" in his head, gave them complex backstories, frequently refers to them as if they are real, frequently cites "conversations" he has with them, in writing, to justify/explain his thinking process.

    Hooray for the gerontocracy, long live decree by dementia!

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  • [+] -7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Schumer didn't vote to end the shut down.

    Goddamn, misinformation is fucking rampant here. You guys don't even remotely care about the truth, do you? You just want everything to confirm your biases.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    If Schumer doesn't want to be blamed for the Democrats caving then he shouldn't be minority leader.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago*

    So the argument isn't that he caved. The argument is that he doesn't have total control over other Senators?

    That's stupid as fuck. He can't control other Senators, you fucking dumbass. Senators are responsible to their constituency, not the informal party leader.

    The fact that you guys NEVER list the eight Democrats that actually did vote to end it and ONLY put the blame on Schumer, despite that making no sense, is ridiculous. It's plainly obvious that the truth does not matter to you. Schumer did exactly what you said you wanted him to do but now you're crucifying him anyway because he's the "evil establishment" Democrat. You picked sides LONG before this, you never had any intention of judging Schumer fairly.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Schumer negotiated the deal, scheduled the vote, and arranged for enough Senators not facing election in 2026 so he could vote against it.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago*

    Schumer negotiated the deal,

    That is an absolute fucking lie. You should be ashamed of yourself, intentionally spreading misinformation like this, We get enough of that from the right.

    Zero proof for any of your convenient assertions.

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    • [–] 55 points 11 months ago

    Yay, Senate Dems caved for absolutely fucking nothing!

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    [–] 28 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    These are some of the most horrible people in our society. They should be unable to enter into any contract or have custody over any living being.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Welk, look at Ted Cruz the nost loathed politician in Texas... And keeps getting reelected. You'd think for just ONE electoral cycle folks would just vote Dem and be rid of the turd ... but nope.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    That is the problem. Most people are incapable of seeing these people for what they are. Rafael uses a proffered name. He wants to be called Ted but wants to deny that for others. Its pretty clear what kind of person he is but they keep voting for him.

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    • [–] 19 points 10 months ago*

    Please tell me again how these fucks the FUCKS YOU elected “represent us”… y’all need to stop watching the billionaire owned media and understand how fucked up this shit is and do better use your critical thinking skills (if you have ANY) which are lacking right now and it’s savage that y’all don’t even know it!!!

    “Obama’s policies aren’t gonna kill us.” It’s 100% Trump because he’s willing to put America citizens at risk of his billionaire friends!!

    I am done being a millennial trying to work my ass off while I am dealing with crisis after crisis after national crisis after crisis after crisis, we can only do so much in own generation and y’all keep blaming us for this shit! It’s savage!!!!

    Stop telling us healthcare cannot be a thing where we are paying billions for wars that we don’t even believe in!!!!

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    [–] 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Who will people blame when they cannot afford medical care?

    Cause Luigi is a folk hero, and all the people responsible for this should live in fear of the bullseye's they have painted themselves with.

    Storm brewing.

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    • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    So they kept their promise and held a vote? Amazing!

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    [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    People with terminal illnesses and wounds are not bound by any law of this world. They are completely free to do anything their hearts desire with no regard to the consequences.

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