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[–] 52 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Can Germany also return all their losses?

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  • [–] 44 points 11 months ago

    Monarch 👑 I love them!!

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  • [–] 174 points 11 months ago (42 children)

    Maybe it's time to see Eurovision for what it really is. I think Americans are starting to see what the Nobel Peace Prize is all about as well.

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  • [–] 40 points 11 months ago (40 children)

    What? What are either of these things really? I'm so confused.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's political.

    Think about it like wrestling. Everybody is a character, nothing is real, but they really need you to believe it is. It's all an act to keep your attention.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    It's all fucking keyfabe. On television all the politicians will act like they hate each other however as soon as the cameras are off. It's buddy, buddy time.

    I understand in a democracy, there has to be discussions and comprise. The problem is that politicians don't do it on television to dispel the fantasy that they all hate other.

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  • [–] 76 points 11 months ago (36 children)

    I'm not exactly sure what they're getting at, but I did see someone from the Nobel Peace Prize committee call for Maduro's removal just as the US has been ramping up its "anti-narcotics" operations in around the oil and lithium rich country, complete with extra judicial killings of Venezuelans, telling other nations to avoid their airspace and very recently seizing an oil tanker ship...

    So it kinda feels like the Nobel Peace Prize committee is trying to add justification to the cause for war that the US is trying to drum up, which is wantonly egregious, so maybe they're implying that both the Nobel committee and Eurovision are tacit supporters and backers of imperialism.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (16 children)

    I mean Maduro is pretty bad. If that statement was just about him, I don't see the issue. They seemed to quite dislike everything Trump was doing.

    The most confusing part about that statement was Americans seeing what the Nobel prize is. They especially should stfu after electing that shit-show XD

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  • [–] 64 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    The peace prize did seem pretty pointless since Obama won it for doing nothing. Like don't get me wrong I voted for the guy and wanted him to win, but it was pretty dang empty to give him the peace prize, especially since he then went on to be in charge while some really ugly stuff went down.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah in hindsight it was a silly award that felt like a “thanks for not being Bush and Cheney” prize.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Now look into how many bombs were dropped under Bush/Chaney, and then how many were dropped under Obama. You'll quickly understand what the Nobel Peace Prize was for.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Or, you know, that 8 years is longer than 6 years.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    You’re saying that there was no Afghan war for the first 10 months of Bush’s admin and no Iraq war for the first two I take it?

    Even with that factored in, from what I can tell the Bush admin dropped nearly double (100k for Obama vs 200k for Bush), although I’m not sure where they’re sourcing their information from.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It's a weird argument, because he got the peace prize really early into his presidency; before he could have an impact to get America to drop 100k bombs vs 200k, but also dropping a hundred thousand bombs seems like a hundred thousand more bombs than one would have to drop to be called a paragon of peace...

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Oh for sure, I just don’t think it makes sense to imply he was worse than the people that created the mess in the first place who also happened to drop more bombs.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Where are you getting your numbers from, cause what I'm seeing is that America dropped way more bombs under Obama than under Bush.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I think I’m wrong upon further review because Obama pulled back from ground commitments and compensated with bombing campaigns. From what I can tell the Isis bombing campaigns really brought his count up as well.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    He didn't do nothing, he specialized in illegal drone strikes.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    They gave him the peace prize way before that though. Almost like a prize for winning the election

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (18 children)

    USA pllitics aside, the world would be a little brighter with Maduro and his regime out of Venezuela

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    So you say. But it's up to the people of Venezuela do decide that and then act upon it, not the deranged USA administration.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Of course, but thats another thing. Americans are sick people.

    The problem with ellection in Venezuela is that they are stupidly rigged. It is said that Maduro lost the last one 70-30, and expatriates were not allowed to vote alleguing bs reasons. (Those are ~5 million voters that were heavily sided against maduro). If thats true, Venezuela has to "decide" by storming the streets at this point

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Venezuela has to “decide” by storming the streets at this point

    Still up to them. Being a foreigner you may even cheer for either side, as long as you don't send armies there to plunder and murder.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I will state this cause i think it may be subject of misinterpretation: i stated "decide" in comas because maduro lost the last 2 elections (the first one may be arguable, the second one was scandalous) and nothing changed, not because they should be "coopted to decide" or something.

    And just to clarify, the USA should stay out of venezuela

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    I thought I read they did storm the streets of Caracas, during the last Trump admin, in support of Maduro, during a previous coup attempt.

    Like the US got caught sponsoring mercenaries and trying to ship in a load of guns to start a coup. I don't imagine everything is peachy in Venezuela, but I do wonder how much of that is due to meddling by foreign powers versus corruption.

    News in Latin America is hard to trust one way or another, because it always seems like it's being twisted to support one goal or another. Like, I know the state media is biased, but I also know the Western media is eager to support bloodthirsty actors who want to pillage their resources.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (7 children)

    You mean like how Libya is so much better now without Qaddafi? 🤡

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (6 children)

    No? Are you slow or something? You people have to stop watching the world in black and white.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    You need to learn from history.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    Okay, you were given two examples of why this is bad (Qaddafi, Sadam). Here's another: Syria was a stable and semi-prosperous country before the meddling began, and then it was turned into a basket case. It took over ten years to depose Assad, and in the meantime their economy has been obliterated and half a million people died.

    These are just the recent examples, there are so many more: Sukarno in Indonesia, Allende in Chile, Lumumba in Congo, over and over and fucking over the US comes and fucking destroys countries in the name of "liberating" the people. Your government programs you to hate these "regimes" but they're actually stabilizing forces, and without them everything is worse.

    Making things worse is the point. If they can't install a puppet regime friendly to US interests they'll settle for turning the country into another basket case, because taking Venezuela's oil off the market raises prices (and thus profits)

    And Trump is already promising to do the same fucking thing in Colombia! It's so nakedly evil, and you just lap it up like a dog. The US's internal politics don't even matter, this is bipartisan.

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  • [–] 32 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Great job. Make the bully realise no one likes him and won't come to his parties

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago

    Fucking wow, that’s true gangsta shit right dur

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    Well this person certainly has some moral grounding, talent, and some kind of look!

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    I don't really get what would have changed from last year.

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  • [+] -49 points 11 months ago* (10 children)

    The ESC winner of 2024.........

    The attack on Israel was 2023..........

    Israel has been in Gaza since 2023... This was already brutal in 2024.........

    Israel was part of ESC in 2023 and 2024.......

    Looks like a publicity stunt.......

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Nemo was outspoken back than as well.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    It's in response to the decision last week to let Israel keep participating, which was followed by the boycott of the competition by Spain, Iceland, Denmark and this decision by Nemo. Others countries have since decide to boycott it as well (not Switzerland).

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Refusing to participate is a less powerful message with a smaller audience

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    This is why the left is doomed at the moment.

    Someone stands up for the left side, they receive: "fuck off you're not perfect enough"

    Whereas any branch of the right will get behind another if they're even slightly nudging the way they want.

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  • [+] -86 points 11 months ago (19 children)

    I kind of find it funny all these countries with genocidal history getting on their high horse through a music competition, y’all a disaster.

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  • [–] 72 points 11 months ago* (12 children)

    Fun fact: 100% of countries have done fucked up shit.

    I'm not pointing that out because I think that excuses any of the fucked up shit. It doesn't.

    I'm pointing it out because by the standards of "shut up if your country was ever genocidal", only people from countries with very little power and influence are allowed to try to do or say anything to make the world a better place for those of us not in favor of genocide.

    TL;DR: STFU with that ultra reductionist edgelord bullshit. You're not helping and you're not being clever.

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  • [+] -32 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Im indigenous so 🤷‍♂️

    Can’t really guilt me into disliking all the colonists and their hypocrisy

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago* (9 children)

    Are you saying that indigenous people never warred with others/neighbors and wiped out other tribes? Never raped, never put their enemies into slavery or sold them to other indigenous, or never tortured those they were at war with?

    Because, to me, it sounds like you’re making that case with your comment and that is a bullshit case to be made. Humans are historically awful.

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  • [+] -22 points 11 months ago* (8 children)

    Racist asshole, to think you are actually calling native peoples colonizers

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago* (7 children)

    Are you suggesting that indigenous peoples have never done any of what I said above?

    I’m not trying to guilt you into sympathizing with colonization. I’m trying to get you to understand that, “I’m indigenous, so only bad things ever happened to people like me because of colonization” is a naive idea to have.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    No, you're trying to equate to genocidal, "wipe out all indigenous people" with let me check... warring tribes can grouping them all as "all countries do bad things." Which vastly outweighs the evils of the two approach.

    You're not trying to guilt him, you're just trying to wash away your colonialist guilt than anything else.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    No. I’m really not trying to equate that at all. Using “I’m indigenous” as an excuse to imply that you’re beyond criticism is bullshit. Everyone can be criticized. Everyone has skeletons.

    You’re trying to pull words out of nothing. All I was responding to was the whole “ Im indigenous so 🤷‍♂️” comment.

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  • [+] -8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    How do you compare warring tribes to the racial genocide of 60+ million? That in itself is why I called you a racist, it’s the low key colonial racism that’s inbeded in your core. No matter what side you take in politics, there are racist takes like that inside you that you don’t realize should stay in your brain.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Because I’m NOT comparing it. You need some serious reading comprehension practice. You’re all riled up for the entirely wrong fucking point that I have repeatedly said I am not arguing.

    Good gravy.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Keep digging that racist hole and calling me names like uneducated. Guess everyone who looks like me is a dum dum to you

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  • [+] -16 points 11 months ago

    Perspective, you are being very reductionist. Not that i disagree necessarily. Creating a country rarely came from lets all get together and sing happy songs, but there are vast differences among formation of countries, colonialism, and genocide.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    What a dipshit take.

    There is not a single patch of land where humans have lived where atrocities haven't happened. Not one.

    Some countries, though, are committing atrocities right now.

    Equating them is absolutely moronic. What kind of Old Testament whacko are you? Put that "sins of the father will be paid by the son" bullshit in the bin where it belongs.

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  • [+] -13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Your language and rhetoric invalidate al your points

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    It all lip-service actually. These countries (EU and US) have all the political, economic, legal and military power to actually punish Israel but instead they choose to do these meaningless acts. In fact they benefits from this genocide/colonization.

    When someone is at the (benefit) receiving side of colonization process, of course, they would not want to be punished for sins of their father, but they will also not give up on the jewels looted by their father too.

    Now let the downvotes shower begin.

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