Actually just got here based on that post. Knew about the fediverse before, but was hesitant to take the plunge
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For all redditors and elsewhere who have come to PieFed or Lemmy, welcome! Don't forget to contribute to the devs every now and then.
Lemmy/PieFed works like if you had multiple reddits ("instances") talking to each other, and also to other non-reddits that are linked, like Friendica, Mastodon (this is "federation").
What Instance to Pick?
If you wanna find a good instance, my recommendation is: don't go for the biggest one. Pick a mid-sized or smaller one, or find one yourself. This is a great guide on Github giving some pointers, including a "idc, just give me some instances" at the top.
If you still wanna pick yourself but there's a bit too much, I recommend going for the instances with 20-1000 people. The smallest are either self-hosted or probably just friends/classrooms, and if it's too big, might get issues with hosting costs.
Apps
For Lemmy interfaces/apps, see here. I personally like Voyager, Mlem, and Thunder, but a lot of them are great. There's even an old reddit-like look if you want. Here's a list for the PieFed ones.
Pro-tip: Block Some Stuff
Don't be scared! Unlike with Reddit, the block options are a bit better. The following is a list of keywords I've put up to block. It's pretty useful so far.
List of keywords
Trump
Kirk
ICE
Elon
Musk
rapist
Republican
pedophile
GOP
Israel
Hamas
Block Sites
These will block the ones that pop up as links. I'm not going to directly link them, but either way here you go.
Fox News
Breitbart
Sputnik
Russian Today
Twitter
Facebook
Instagram
Threads
Came here directly from this reddit post. Totally new here - is Piefed only a browser-based alternative? Why is there no Piefed-app ? The only thing i can find is "Blorp for Lemmy and Piefed... sounds weird.
Welcome!
I know Piefed is supported by Interstellar, Summit, and Thunder, and probably others that I forgot
I believe Boost also supports Piefed but I haven't checked ( it does per @mrsilkworm@piefed.social )
You can browse https://www.lemmyapps.com/ and see if the apps listed there also support Piefed:
One small thing to be aware of is that app support is a little more recent in PieFed than in Lemmy, so while the apps work well (I had good experiences with Voyager), some nice PieFed features that exist in the browser might be missing from the apps (for now).
The apps are still great, but it makes me personally prefer it as a web app for now. :)
The content is the same between lemmy and piefed, but they have some different features, such as support for surveys and moderation tools.
Welcome and enjoy the content
So, I have Lemmy now and just made an account on PieFed. I donยดt want to use multiple platforms. What would you suggest? Can I synch them?
You just pick one, unless you want to keep your accouns separate. No need to sync them. Here's your PieFed account as seen on Lemmy.world, as an example.
I personally prefer PieFed. Lemmy is older and has more users.
Piefed has more features, faster development and is written in python.
To be honest it's just a personal preference. You'll have access to the same posts and comments either way.
No need to make multiple accounts. I remember when I joined Lemmy I made 3 accounts the first day and thought "ugh this is going to be a pain in the ass keeping all these separate accounts." But I didn't realize that all this crap talks together. So you just make one account and it connects to everything. It's a lot easier than people make it sound at first.
If you ever do find yourself using a second account, Iโve spend a lot of time perfecting multi account on Blorp. Nice if you wanna use Lemmy and PieFed. Iโm pretty confident that you wonโt find a Lemmy/PieFed client out that that will switch accounts as seamlessly Blorp. For example, Voyager is one of the best apps out there, but it will close any open posts or communities when you switch accounts. With Blorp, you can switch accounts and continue exactly where you left off.
Blorp dev here. Sorry for the silly name, but I assure you Iโve spend hundreds of hours making Blorp the best app I possibly can. Itโs totally free, fully open source, and it doesn't log any of our data. I would love for you to give my app a try!
"The sweetspot is using both at the moment" - the sweetspot is siphoning knowledge from shitty platform into the fediverse
Honestly I havenโt touched Reddit since the API exodus. I just went without whatever wasnโt over here.
Same. I now see Reddit as I do Twitter, Tiktok, Instagram or whatever. If it's linked somewhere or someone sends me something, I'll look at it. But I'm not installing their apps or creating accounts to engage.
You could say Lemmy has curated content
Honestly, even as an American (from California - a rare state of sanity in this damn country), I've been moving to de-google and move away from stuff like reddit for months now at this point. Especially since user data requests by our federal government (and likely other world governments) are an open secret that these companies can't really refuse.
Glad to see y'all on the same path :)
Yeah, YouTube and Google Earth are my main holdouts. I use PeerTube and OSM but there are still gaps
I deleted my google account and moved all of my youtube activity onto Grayjay (since it doesn't require any account and any saved "subscriptions" are stored on your device locally), maybe that could be an option for you? They even have a desktop client now :)
I use FreeTube on my computer. I also have some YouTube channels that I download to my computer and host there to download / watch on my phone through Jellyfin (and use Patreon to give money to those channels). I I still end up on YouTube from my phone.
I still have a few issues with apps like Freetube / Grayjay though:
- It's still YouTube. So it's still a monopoly when it comes to many signals that indicate the platform is doing something inappropriate and it is an arms race with YouTube allowing these UIs to keep working. I suspect YouTube has enough lock in that they would invest in breaking these UIs over changing many issues users have. I think that only changes when creators cross post to other platforms and then they need to be able to make enough money for that to be worth it.
- I also, for now, still use an iPhone and most of these apps aren't in the app store. (I have Invidious as a quick search in the browser but it frequently doesn't work.) I'm toying with switching next time I buy and then my main focuses would probably be the camera and security.
Lemmy has one significant problem that platforms like Reddit and Mastodon don't, and I don't see that problem easily going away.
The companies who use raw data as a source of their wealth steal everything that isn't bolted down. Platforms like Reddit and Twitter realized this, and put their content and APIs behind restrictive paywalls.
Lemmy and Mastodon content is free for anyone to hoard and add to their pile.
I guess technically you might be able to create some kind of "firewalls" (distinct from network firewalls) that heuristically kill AI harvesters, but it will be a perpetual battle.
Is this actually a bigger issue for Lemmy / Mastodon users than on other platforms? In case of commercial social media, the data is sold, here it's freely available. In both cases my data is potentially used by third parties. This might not be perfect, but I see very little alternatives rather than not publishing any data in the first place. Which would somehow contradict the idea of social media, wouldn't it?
Which would somehow contradict the idea of social media, wouldnโt it?
No. Nothing about the concept of social media dictates that all data must be available for everybody.
I don't think that all data on Lemmy is available for everybody. As far as I know all private messages between users are only visible to the involved users and (as there is no end 2 end encryption) the technical administrators of both instances involved. Same with user passwords, the sign up mail adress etc.
All other content on Lemmy so far is public. As there are no closed communities, I don't think anybody would expect the information published here to be somewhat private.
On Facebook, Reddit etc. we do have closed communities that may trick users into thinking that whatever they post there is only visible to the target audience while in reality it's heavily analyzed and sold to third parties.
Please enlighten me, but I currently can't see any inherent issue that is specific to Lemmy and Mastodon.
The tankie stuff turns out to still remain a hard sell, who could've imagined... (block lemmy.ml if you can, if you can't, switch platforms and then block .ml)
One unfortunate limitation of the fediverse is that blocking undesired categories of content is harder than on reddit: when you block a subreddit, it doesn't exist on 50 other instances. None of the fediverse stuff handles that gracefully, the "subreddit" approach was just not a good choice for this kind of thing.
I'd rather block fascists. That's the real hard sell, tbh, and fortunately Lemmy does not really have them so far.
Unfortunately blocking an instance still leaves the commenters from that instance visible. That could be technically fixed of course by adding a new type of blocking.
Top comments are full of positive mentions of Fediverse, PieFed, Lemmy and Mbin. This is nice.
Itโs a frozen day in hell that redditors are finally realizing what we have been telling them for years.
The fact that Lemmy devs are genocidal tankies (and manage two of the three tankie instances) is a major issue if you are from Europe and you don't know about how Fedi functions.
You just join an instance that defederates from said instances, or use piefed
I know. I moderate !hardware@lemmy.world which I joined initially when finding out about Fedi. I actually started posting/modding there because the only other tech hardware community was on ML. I otherwise I use Piefed.
I am talking about people in general who don't know the nuances of Lemmy/Piefed/Mbin and the Fediverse in general.
The lead developer being a fake communist (based in America no less ๐) and supporting russian genocidal imperialism is not a good look for an alternative social network (more so people for living in Europe).
I know we've been discussing this a while ago, but really consider moving your community from Lemmy to Piefed.
I did that with all of mine, I don't use my Lemmy accounts anymore
I've moved a small community over. For Hardware, I am waiting for programmatic migration tools.
You can migrate your community now already, or are you waiting for more migration features?
So, I have Lemmy now and just made an account on PieFed. I donยดt want to use multiple platforms. What would you suggest? Better PieFed?
The Piefed devs are friendlier and are not tankies.
The platform has consolidated comments, flairs, polls and better mods tools.
Thanks! I have to say I like the lay-out of Lemmy more. Is there a way I can adjust the lay-out of PieFed?
Might be worth trying:
https://piefed.social/user/settings -> UI -> Themes.
You could try the layout using the Photon frontend of Piefed if thatโs more your alley.
Seems like Photon for PieFed is still in development.
There are several themes and some options in the settings, but for now there are not any great radically different options in there. You can also use apps of course. But if you prefer the feel of Lemmy there's nothing wrong with staying there instead! :)
My hunch would be that there will be a lot more options available for the look and feel of PieFed a year from now.
Yes, I personally like Piefed better (as I said, I keep this account to mod !hardware@lemmy.world).
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