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[–] 171 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Ah yes. This surely will have no long term consequences.

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  • [–] 137 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    We are living the paperclip maximizer problem, except instead of paperclips it's data centers.

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  • [–] 83 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    Well, we’re not even anywhere close to AGI yet, and the underlying problem of “the people running everything these days are not programmed to value living things - only money” Is pretty fucking obvious at this point

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    i wish it was agi doing this, then maybe it could be reasoned with. rich pieces of shit that are detached from reality and humanity can't.

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  • [–] 59 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Why has RAM suddenly got so expensive? We've been chasing this AI shit for the last 3/4 years and GPUs etc have been expensive the whole time, but somehow RAM has been ok until literally the last couple of weeks?

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  • [–] 85 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    OpenAI abruptly bought 40% of global supply, and announced it.

    Other companies found out about it when OpenAI announced and thought holy shit, if we hadn't heard of this massive deal, what else haven't we heard of?!, and so they started panic buying.

    On top of that, because of US tariffs and trade restrictions, the Chinese "B-tier" memory companies, who usually buy old machines from the big 3 (SK-Hynix, Samsung, Micron) and sell this lower spec RAM at lower margins, didn't buy up these machines as much as they usually do. They weren't sure they'd be able to make a profit given their lower margins, should tariffs suddenly change again or other restrictions get put in place.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    Basically as I understand it sam altman made a deal to buy a majority of the semiconductor wafers needed to make ram from the two biggest manufacturers, and the third biggest saw that and went "oh ok time to make a killing selling tam to businesses" qnd pulled out of the consumer market so now there's just fucking none being made for consumers because of one giant fucking dickwad

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  • [–] 78 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    So glad I built my computer earlier this year. RAM prices now are triple what I paid for.

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  • [–] 40 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I regret so much that I didn't, I was planning to build a new PC now or in the beginning of next year. But with the current RAM prices I will stick to my 5 years old AMD 5600x. I will have to start playing games in my backlog if the framerate in new games becomes too low.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It’s insane. Back then I still had to deal with GPU prices and availability. I had to buy the 9070xt in a MOBO bundle that I’ll never use and was cheaper than buying alone at the time. The same GPU now is $50 US less than what I paid for then so it was a pretty good price considering.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Normally the GPU prices decreases so 50$ cheaper in 1 year is completely normal. However, in the coming years I fear that the GPU prices will increase again when the GDDR production decreases to make room for the HBM production for AI.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Yeah, but that was a bundle promo price offer. I essentially got a free AM5 board and still paid less than the GPU sold separately. Classic Newegg dumping unsold merch. What sucks is you can't return one without the other, even with an RMA.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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    I'm in the exact opposite position... hoarding bits on the cheap, all I need is ram and psu but ram now costs more than I paid for everything else put together and scavenging sources have dried up completely

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Is there even enough power on the grid for all these data centers? Wtf?

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Nope. A couple of them have been built and they're just sitting there unpowered

    Imagine you had infinite money and no consequences

    I mean you could like— build entire city size data centers right?

    But this infinite money goes away if you're not building them

    So your choices are to build something that you don't need or to have no money

    You see, humans were not very evolved or adapted to their planet, given their own social structures

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago*

    A couple of them have been built and they’re just sitting there unpowered

    Most of them in California because that State simply cannot get its shitty power grid sorted out. The damn thing barely works at the best of times due to a combination of corruption, greed, and Government interference.

    As an example the utility company promised Digital Realty and Stack Infrastructure that they'd have the power ready for them by the time their DCs were built but...SURPRISE...they lied. The only fault for DR and SI here is trusting a California Utility to deliver on their promise.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    Power availability is actually a primary consideration when choosing a location for a Data Center. Sometimes they'll site a DC even if there isn't enough power and then build out the power generation that they need.

    An example are the two DCs that Microsoft is building in Cheyenne, Wyoming and the absolutely massive 1.2 Million panel solar farm being built to power them. https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/05/11/massive-1-2-billion-1-2-million-panel-solar-farm-planned-for-south-cheyenne/

    This is at least the second time that Microsoft has done this in Cheyenne. In 2016 they contracted for 237 MW of Wind Energy, which led to the Chokecherry and Sierra Madre wind farms being built / expanded. https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2016/11/14/latest-energy-deal-microsofts-cheyenne-datacenter-will-now-powered-entirely-wind-energy-keeping-us-course-build-greener-responsible-cloud/

    No matter what you think of AI the folks that engineer these DCs aren't stupid. They are well aware of their extreme power requirements.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    We have such copious amounts of excess power but its all in off peak times. We need to build batteries or other storage methods so we can capture it in off peak hours for use during peak hours. It also helps stabilize and strengthen the grid.

    We should force these data centers to help foot the bill for that instead of doing the stupid shit they're doing like portable generators, bring coal plants back online and what not.

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  • [–] 62 points 11 months ago (1 child)
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    Samsung put 12 gigs of ram in my phone. I don't even use that much.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    This OpenAI RAM buyout really was a "If we're going down, we're taking everyone with us" move.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Damn Samsung, they ruined Samsung!

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    Damn, I was hoping to upgrade my ram in the next 6 months. When I built my PC last winter I couldn’t find any decent 64gb sticks so I went with 46gb instead figuring I’d upgrade when they got reasonable. Oh well, guess I’m rocking them for a bit longer.

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    [–] 41 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    In six months, the market will be absolutely flooded with cheap barely-used RAM.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    The RAM that's being produced at scale for parallel computation is HBM, what the capacity is going towards. It's not in the form of DIMMs


    you can't take it after it's been used and stick it into a PC's motherboard.

    EDIT:

    https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/inside-nvidia-blackwell-ultra-the-chip-powering-the-ai-factory-era/

    Inside NVIDIA Blackwell Ultra: The Chip Powering the AI Factory Era

    Blackwell Ultra doesn’t just scale compute—it scales memory capacity to meet the demands of the largest AI models. With 288 GB of HBM3e per GPU, it offers 3.6x more on-package memory than H100 and 50% more than Blackwell, as shown in Figure 5.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    True. So in six months, the market will be flooded with cheap, barely-used "AI" server hardware no one wants, and RAM for PCs will still be stupid expensive, because we live in the stupidest timeline.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (1 child)
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    Samsung Semiconductor: Buy these exynos chips and put them in your phones
    Samsung Electronics: Ok buddy 😊

    Samsung Semiconductor: I lost money, raise your phone prices to make up for it
    Samsung Electronics: Of course! ✨️💫

    Samsung Electronics: I need ram to put in phones Samsung Semiconductor: lol no

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    [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    "RAM has become so profitable through greed and price gouging…"

    FTFY

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    It wasn’t 10 years ago we had so much surplus ram it was practically free. Dafuq, AI slop generators ruining the planet.

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  • [+] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)