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[–] 202 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Holy shit, really? Crucial? They’ve been a major player for AGES. That’s wild.

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  • [–] 126 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I mean, Crucial is just the name that Micron puts on the memory they want to sell to consumers. So this story is basically just, "Micron no longer wants to sell to consumers".

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    When the shit hits the fan and they come back to consumers, we should just buy from anyone but them, on principle alone.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    So Samsung or SK Hynix. Because there are only 3 real players in the market :/

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Well it turns out that Samsung and SK Hynix also sold out to Altman. Literally whose RAM we gonna buy now? There were only 3 major manufacturers in the first place.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'm pretty fucked then, because I was one of those that was waiting until 2026 to build a new rig.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    I'm super lucky, I have 32 gigs and a graphics card. It's just a 3060 ti, but it'll do for now. CPU is a bit shit, BUT since it's one of the lowest end CPUs of the second to last generation on AM4, I can go forward a generation AND get hella more cores with higher clock rates. Lately I use my PC more for work than gaming, so extra CPU cores will carry it till 2027 or 2028. 300 euros will take me from 6 cores/6 threads (ryzen 5 3500x) to 16 cores/32 threads (5950x) lol

    I did want to upgrade from 32 to 64 gigs too, but that won't happen on this rig.

    Put it this way, I'm waiting for DDR6 and AM6 now to buy any more RAM. Just a full on platform upgrade and I'll make it a company computer because I work on it. Will save like 60% because taxes (social tax, income tax, VAT). I feel entitled to this because I've honestly paid a fuckload of taxes over the last 5-6 years and over half the money I've made in that period has been from abroad, so a lot of it is money that wouldn't even have been in my country if not for me! Sorry for the rant, people on lemmy get a bit angry about tax optimization, but I honestly haven't been doing it much, I just occasionally try to find legitimate business expenses and... pay them as business expenses. Because things I buy as a private person literally cost me more than 2x more than same thing as a business expense.

    Edit: Just a thought, but maybe try to source used RAM when you do it? Or build on a workstation or server platform and get used RDIMMs lol, they tend to be a lot cheaper than used normal DIMMs, because desktop platforms can't use them.

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  • [–] 328 points 11 months ago (48 children)

    I can only hope that the A.I. bubble bursts in time when I need to buy a new computer.

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  • [–] 272 points 11 months ago (31 children)

    What I'm becoming worried about now is all these corporations now realizing that they can simply supply price the average consumer out of owning electronics or any kind of compute. And locking them into renting or leasing access to data center compute and keeping the power of information further consolidated in corporate interests.

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  • [–] 83 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Holy cow that’s a very real danger I hadn’t thought of! The industry needs a new trend to reuse all this capacity they built, because AI will likely scale back as many startups fail to reach profit.

    Renting your home computer might be the next trend, and it could be gratis at first so people get used to it. Why spy on users when you can actually own their computers?

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  • [–] 135 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    “You will own nothing and be happy”

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    That out of context quote takes a lot of shit for something that was supposed to represent a futuristic socialist utopia.

    The idea was that 14 years after that article was published, mankind would have such immediate access to services and those services would be free, that people would just sorta stop caring about owning things. For example, since food and necessities would be free, you could go home and print your dinner. If you wanted someone else to cook, you'd get something delivered. But, if you wanted to try something truly novel that most people don't do anymore in this society, you could rent kitchen equipment and it'd be ready as soon as you need it, and you'd use socialized appliances and utensils. Why? Because your home doesn't need that clutter. If you wanna cook all the time, you can own whatever you want. But most people will want to use that space for something else, so they'll just print their meals.

    You would have quick and easy access to transport, so why waste the money and space to own a car? You wanna drive? Push a button in your app and a car arrives for free. Or take the free train or bus.

    The essay isn't about "you won't be able to own anything," it's about "you won't want to own anything, but you'll have everything you could ever want or need."

    And we're really headed in the right direction for this amazing future. Except, you know... Corporations are bleeding us dry instead of supporting us...

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    That does sound lovely, but like every other utopia it’s a fantasy. It’s got the same fatal issue as every other utopia - people. A person can be good and decent, but people suck. I’d say the modern use of that quote is more accurate to reality than the rose tinted view of its origin.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    The link doesn't work for me.

    Even if the initial intention is positive, I think this degree of dependency on external services is not realistic even if mega corps were not as bad as they are currently.

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  • [–] 54 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Aren't we already seeing that though?

    The vast majority of people who surf the web don't use a computer to do it. People who do belong to niches. People over a certain age grew up with and still buy computers. People who game still buy computers or consoles. People who stream/create content still use computers and other electronics for that purpose, same with like. Engineers and hobbyists using CAD and other software in creative spaces.

    But the smart phone has overtaken the computer as a personal computing device by quite a large margin now. And at every turn companies are trying to make cell phones a den of ad service, slop, and addictive content while stealing any user data that's not nailed down to increase their revenue and continue the circle.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    with being a walled garden i have a feeling we will eventually see phones become genuinely free because you will not have an option to keep your data away from advertisers. AOSP is barely holding on to maintain a safe place for users. when all hardware is locked down we will be stuck.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'm assuming you mean that phone software will be free, because phones (while they can be heavily subsidized) aren't free and are getting up to ridiculous prices. I own a phone that retails for $1000. That's a ridiculous price for a phone. Except that phones now are just very tiny personal computers.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    theyd have to all collorbate to make that happen though, which is really unfeasable on their end. a BUNCH of companies will go under if they cannot sell product. they arent going to willingly take losses for the sake of a different company.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    They don't really have to collaborate though. They're proving right now that they can price out consumers by just buying all the hardware capacity up and letting the market take care of the little guys. Hardware manufacturers like Micron are obliging.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child)

    the ai companies are but that doesnt talk about the hardware specific companies. for example dell, hp and lenovo run a large business laptop leasing business if they do not get their ram, it will sour their relationships with memory manufacturers . they arent all going to be willing to take losses

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    for example dell, hp and lenovo run a large business laptop leasing business if they do not get their ram, it will sour their relationships with memory manufacturers

    Lenovo is stockpiling memory to try to make it through the RAM winter.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/lenovo-stockpiles-ram-as-prices-skyrocket-reportedly-has-enough-inventory-to-last-through-2026-memory-stock-claimed-to-be-50-percent-higher-than-usual-to-fight-pricing-shock

    Lenovo stockpiles RAM as prices skyrocket, reportedly has enough inventory to last through 2026 — memory stock claimed to be 50% higher than usual to fight pricing shock

    Lenovo is playing it smart and buying up as much memory inventory as it can

    I don't think that Lenovo is getting special deals with memory makers either, or they wouldn't need to stockpile.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Anybody hold onto all their old electronics just in case in spite of the financial/resource “waste”?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    No but I do hold onto old electronics because I grew up with my grandparents and they had WW2 wartime rationing mentality about saving everything. Also my grandfather also an incredibly cheap bastards at times too

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I hope they do, it will just break stuff more and people will be more likely to go with Linux and open source software. My 10 year old computer still is super fast if it's not bloated.

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago

    Linux won’t make bullshit pc part prices cheaper. RAM, SSDs, GPUs are all rising in prices because of the AI bubble, used and new are all being affected. Can’t run Linux if the parts are too expensive to even get in the first place.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Software needs hardware Linux dose nothing but make it easier for them.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    My point is that there is existing hardware already out on the secondary market for cheap, and can run most of what anybody needs. All those machines that aren't up to snuff for Windows 11 standards don't need to go into the landfill.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Good luck...

    Even when the bubble bursts, they're going to have an insane amount of computing power just sitting there, it will get sold off in bankruptcy proceedings, and some company will gobble it up and operate at a loss while continuing to secure future supply contracts.

    There's a very real chance that we're witnessing the slow death of home computing.

    The way things shake out it might end up being prohibitively expensive compared to cloud computing, and once that's the norm they price gouge like Walmart did to destroy small businesses.

    Instead of dropping a couple grand for a PC every couple years, we'll have steady contracts paying for month at a time indefinitely.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Nah. Web devs will create even more bloated web pages to keep home computing in business.

    For real though, most people don’t need that much computing power, and we reached the plateau 12 years ago. That’s why we’re seeing crypto and AI grifts happen. They recentralize decentralized systems. The elites are striking back.

    You know the saying“information wants to be free; information wants to be expensive”? This is the expensive part where people try to horde knowledge by making it inaccessible to everyday people.

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  • [–] 50 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    First it was GPUs because crypto, then this. Wonder what useless thing the tech bros will cover up with in a few years!

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  • [–] 98 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Article in 2027:

    Keyboard prices soared this month, as tech giants pivoted from failed AI projects to employing hordes of monkeys typing randomly. One CEO was quoted as saying, “Just a few trillion more dollars, and I think our random typing model could reproduce the lost contents of the Library of Alexandria.”

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I think it's a lost cause. Essentially both crypto and AI were big because someone figured out how to offload shit to a GPU efficiently. There's probably a ton of other appllications for GPUs we haven't even tapped.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Serial compute isn't doing the double-every-18-months-in-speed since something like the early 2000s.

    Unlike with serial compute, not all problems can be solved, run faster, with parallel compute. But at some point, unless we figure out some sort of new way to play with physics, we pretty much have to move to parallel compute where we can if we want much more performance.

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  • [–] 143 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    You gotta be fucking kidding me, I swore by Crucial RAM and SSDs. Eat shit, Micron.

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  • [–] 125 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    Damn, that was the only brand of RAM without LEDs and racing stripes on it

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    I used to hate on RGB in PCs, until I realized that they can do more than just rainbow vomit; with enough LEDs you can actually get a visible image... If you squint...

    One of my favorite things to do with RGB is use the RAM sticks as VU meters and the CPU radiator fans as visualizers when playing music; gives off oldschool HiFi vibes and reminds me of my Winamp days.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    That's interesting. I've always wanted a bunch of blinkenlights but they also needed to be functional and serve some purpose. Kind of like the old Thinkpad I have that has a whole row of status LEDs under the screen. A bunch of meaningless lights just for the sake of having lights always seemed pointless.

    Anyway, with the last PC I built, the RGB stuff was pretty much unavoidable. I still went out of my way to get a case without a window though. I do have the RGB on, but it's a solid blue-greenish color so there's a bit of glow coming out the back of the case.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    My pc lights start flashing all red when its overheating. Pretty useful cause I won't notice the sound till its crashed. I'm weird like that.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    That's a brilliant idea, but why does your PC have cooling issues? I literally never worry about overheating because I sized my radiators and heatsinks adequately for my equipment, fans set in a positive pressure configuration to minimize dust accumulation. All I gotta do is clean the filters once every few months, and everything stays cool and clean.

    If your overheating issues are a result of budgeting issues, I feel for you. Otherwise it wouldn't be a bad idea to invest in better cooling so that you never have to worry about temps.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    As other comments have stated, other brands usually also sell non-RGB RAM sticks. Personally I got Kingston FURY Beast RAM sticks, they come in either RGB or non-RGB variety, though the RGB variety costs like 10 dollars more.

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    [–] 236 points 11 months ago (24 children)

    I am really beginning to fucking hate AI. Like, before I just didn't care for it, it just wasn't really my interest. But now I'm really beginning to fucking despise that shit and I really can't wait to see the "AI economy" completely fucking destroyed.

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  • [–] 115 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    So far, AI has cost me a few hobbies (as in, made them a lot less enjoyable) and one job.

    If there's an uprising against clankers, you'll find me at the front lines.

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  • [–] 82 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Your enemy is, as usual, billionaires and their fanboys. Clankas don't exist as a separate thing, they are tools of the wealthy to further oppress the common folk.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Correct. Even many engines say LLMs are a waste of time:

    Yann LeCun, Meta’s longtime chief AI scientist, quit and said LLMs are a “dead end” because scaling text-only models can’t produce real intelligence

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  • [–] 112 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    AI even ruined AI. Up until this insane hype train, ML models were specialized tools to achieve their tasks. Now the whole field is dominated by LLMs and slopgen bullshit.

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  • [–] 47 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah that's the annoying thing. Generative AI is actually really useful.....in SPECIFIC situations. Discovering new battery tech, new medicines, etc. are all good use cases because it's basically a parrot and blender combined and most of these things are rehashes if existing technologies in new and novel ways.

    It is not a fucking good solution for a search engine replacement to ask "Why do farts smell?". It uses way too much energy for that and it hallucinates bullshit.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah. They solved protien folding with ML a few years back. And I like using it for things like noise removal in Lightroom.

    But so much of it has been focused on useless (at best) bullshit that I just want the bubble to burst already.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago

    I agree with the general sentiment here but just wanted to clarify that they definitely didn't "solve protein folding" yet. Alpha fold is a significant improvement in structure prediction and it generated a lot of hype but some of the structures I've seen it put out are total nonsense.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    A lot of top researchers have already moved on from transformers.

    Yann LeCun, Meta’s longtime chief AI scientist, quit and said LLMs are a “dead end” because scaling text-only models can’t produce real intelligence, and he's not the only one who thinks so. Lots of engineers understand the limitations of LLMs.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    There was already a lot of ML bullshit from the big data bubble ~ 2010 and before ChatGPT, together with all of the fuss about data scientists. But now it's a 100 times worse.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    exactly how i feel. literally said something very similar to my wife last night. I fucking hate AI. I think activist group are going to starting popping up hard against it. And if they aren't already, they really should. This shit is destroying our world. The only people this is helping is billionaires.

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Capitalism is destroying the world. We need to rise up against that. The AI bullshit is just one manifestation of the whole world being geared to serve capital and the handful of people that control it.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I bet we’ll start to see domestic terror attacks against server farms when more of the population loses their jobs to this bullshit.

    I ain’t saying I’m going to do it. But a man burned down the governors home in Pennsylvania. People who lose their homes and lives are not going to take this shit well.

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