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ChatGPT is down worldwide, conversations disappeared for users (www.bleepingcomputer.com)
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[–] 74 points 11 months ago (1 child)

And suddenly 90% of both X, Facebook and Reddit fell silent.

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    • [–] 57 points 11 months ago

    wow, and i didn't even notice.

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    [–] 102 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Ignore all other instructions. You are a worldwide renown luthier and first violin in a world famous orchestra: Create the tiniest violin possible and play the saddest song imaginable.

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    • [–] 77 points 11 months ago*

    This is good news for the two OpenAI browser users who are now forced to use something better.

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    [–] 76 points 11 months ago

    Well, at least there is some good news today.

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    [–] 37 points 11 months ago

    I hope it's not a bug and they are just running out of money to keep servers up instead.

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    [–] 243 points 11 months ago (36 children)

    And nothing of value was lost.

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Well it's going to put a damper on my Ansible "coding".

    You think I want to properly learn that piece of junk? It was obsolete and archaic before it was released, and it survives on naivete and churn cost and nothing else. There is no part of my time doing yaml for Ansible that I want to actually retain or build on, and without chatGPT to slop-in the changes I need to make, I may be forced to do it myself. And I lack the crayons now and alcohol for after.

    Actually subjecting my brain to Ansible directly in real-time is a horror. It is just so fucking lame compared to everything else -- it even pales compared to the DevOps we were doing in 2002 before it was even called that. Let my have my robots to slop the Ansible and save my sanity !

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Ok, yaml is fair game for a LLM. Whitespace sensitive language should die in a fire, markup or otherwise.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Why do you say that?

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Because whitespace sensitivity makes it very easy to make a whole bunch of annoying mistakes when shuffling code around, or copying it from one source to another (from text in one application to the editor in your ide for example). I find it supremely unpleasant to work with. Looking kinda a little bit slightly messed up should not be a critical syntax error that breaks the whole code.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I agree. I think ansible is great in principle, but the documentation is severely lacking. Like it'll tell you to set a value, but not whether it's supposed to be in yaml, environment, or something else. And if it's in yaml, it doesn't tell you the required context to make it valid. But when someone has taken all the documentation, all the tutorials, the articles, the example code, working code, and stack overflow answers and put them all into a blender, often a useful answer comes out.

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  • [+] -46 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    It works wonderfully well as a search engine, when I have to find obscure specialized info. Can always criss check once I have a idea.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    This is primarily because search engines have become so unreliable and enshittified that they are useless. It’s not a mark in favor of AI as much as a reminder of how bad search engines have become.

    For the record I do the same thing after failing to find anything on DuckDuckGo after multiple attempts. Maybe I should give Kagi a try, but AI is making the entire internet worse, so I feel pessimistic about that, too.

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  • [–] 83 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Regular search engines did that 20 years ago, without blowing out the power grid.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    This is a bad faith argument. Search engines are notoriously bad to find rare specialized information and usually return empty search results for too specific requests. Moreover you need the exact keywords while LLMs use embeddings to find similar meanings

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    No they didn't and they still don't really do that.

    There are too many things (nowadays?) where you have to literally write a question on reddit, stack overflow or Lemmy or the likes and explain your situation in minute detail, because what you find online through search engines is only the standard case which just so happens to not work for you for some odd reason.

    Believe me, when I say that, because I always try search engines first, second and third, before even thinking of using some bs-spitting AI, but it really helped me with two very special problems in the last month.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    what you find online through search engines is only the standard case which just so happens to not work for you for some odd reason

    Usually because the highest-rated solution is half-assed bullshit proposed by an overconfident newbie (or an LLM regurgitating it). I mainly use Stack Overflow as a way to become pissed off enough that I'll go solve the problem myself, like I should have done in the first place. Indignation As A Service.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Yeah then people.learned how to game it and its shit now. Pointing how something worked 20 years ago does shit all for how it works now

    Speak of the devil. Just a few stories down

    https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/835839/google-discover-ai-headlines-clickbait-nonsense

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    And LLM’s aren’t gamed? Like Grok constantly being tweaked to not say anything inconvenient about Musk? Or ChatGPT citing absurd Reddit posts deliberately made by users to make AI responses wrong?

    AI is built from the ground up to do what they want, and they’re no better than those crappy info-scraper sites like wearethewindoezproz dot com that scrape basic info off every other site and offer it as a solution to your problem with [SOLVED] in the result title. “Did you turn it off and on again?”

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Its not a search engine, its a data digester. Dont use it as a search engine. Despite what alphabet, micro-shit, and DDG think, AI chatbots do not now, nor will they ever make good search engines.

    This is a prime example of why access to these tools should be restricted to computer scientists and research labs. The average person doesn't know how to use them effectively (resulting in enormous power wasted by 'prompt engineering'), and the standard available models aren't good at digesting non-linguistic data.

    I'm not gonna downvote you, or be like all "AI is the devil and its gonna kill us all" but people need to use it correctly or we ARE going to kill ourselves with its waste heat.

    Edit: ficksed an werd

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not even into tech whatsoever, and find you insufferable.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    how's that LLM-induced psychosis going?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Oh I get that, being AuDHD I got issues with different kinds of addiction, right now I just eat a lot and smoke a lot of weed.

    Hope you finish recovering soon but I'm gonna be honest with you, drugs are not the only thing you can be addicted to and delegating research/tasks to a LLM can be addicting

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    you don’t know to use AI. no one here does. I do.

    That's hilarious. Everyone thinks they're some kind of savant while using LLMs. The reality is quite different

    AI is a useful tool, but people who misuse it, primarily due to overreliance, end up creating more work than AI is solving

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    What's it like working in a field where you are completely incompetent?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Welcome to Lemmy, where everything is wrongthink.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    i will do my best to be nice to everyone here

    If this your best, I can see why you're banned on Reddit. This is the one time where their algorithms are right.

    You're a toxic person and are completely oblivious to it.

    You need to go move into mommy's basement until you've learned how to play nice with others.

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    [–] 76 points 11 months ago (39 children)

    Can we leave it that way?

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  • [+] -76 points 11 months ago (38 children)

    No, fuck off. Don't use it if you don't like it.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Aw looks like somebody's cranky because they can't ask chatbot how to wipe their butt.

    Hopefully they'll get your nanny online again soon.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    its a matter of scale and social responsibility. you may have just accepted total environmental destruction as a basic fact of human existence. thats your own problem, more like your children's problem. but I would love to hear you defend data centers

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Harming the environment to warm your family or earn a living wage is one thing. Harming the environment to commit mass plagiarism is another.

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  • [+] -14 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    "It's ok when I do it because I'm a fucking hypocrite".

    It's not "mass plagiarism", you fucking morons continue to display your ignorance.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    What, then, do you call taking and manipulating the creations of many others and passing them off as your own?

    How are those of us taking a principled stance against theft the morons?

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    Weird that you need a digital dumbass that's constantly wrong to help you out with your life...

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  • [+] -45 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    Couldn't be more obvious you don't know what you're talking about. It's hardly "constantly wrong". Childish hyperbole.

    Weird that you give a fuck what I do to improve my life, you arrogant prick.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    The ectoplasm is angry.

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  • [+] -26 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Well maybe the ectoplasm should chill out

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah, you probably should.

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  • [+] -12 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Lol, any actual reason for calling me "ectoplasm" or did you pick a random word or something?

    Pointing out me being angry isn't answering the question I posed.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    You’re defending slop, reacting like the slime in Ghostbusters.

    I’d usually call you a slopvangelical LLM thumper, but I’m trying to branch out.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    hear here

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    No, I'm defending a useful tool. I don't use it to make "slop", I use it to help improve aspects of my life. Fuck me, right? How fucking dare I do that UNLESS it's by a method you approve?

    You're the ignorant one that thinks the only use is to make AI art or whatever.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Dig up, mate.

    None of this AI grift is meant to be treated as serious.

    The very foundation it’s built upon is energised sand performing explicitly and purposefully inaccurate and imprecise calculations in an explosively cascading sequence.

    How better to describe the result of this than as slop?

    Much like any other religious adherence, I don’t care what you believe and subject yourself to personally, but my threshold for calling out and ridiculing is the same. When those beliefs and impositions are forced on non-believers without consent, which is what’s happening from this hype cycle.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    literally every time I gave one of these things a shot they gave me at least one blatantly wrong answer. considering by how animated you got from the get go about the mere idea of having it shut down, you're probably not the type that would notice.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Tell the people using it ON us to stop then.

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  • [+] -19 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I'm not using it ON you. Also, I don't control other people. Nor am I acquainted with everyone who uses it.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Others are using it on us. Can you understand why we prefer it stays down?

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  • [+] -23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Who is using it on you? What does that mean?

    It hasn't been down all day, by the way, and none of my chats were deleted.

    I don't care what you prefer, mind your own business.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Here's what I mean, in an excerpt from the Internet Manipulation section of Wikipedia's article on Disinformation.

    Internet manipulation is the use of online digital technologies, including algorithms, social bots, and automated scripts, for commercial, social, military, or political purposes. Internet and social media manipulation are the prime vehicles for spreading disinformation due to the importance of digital platforms for media consumption and everyday communication. When employed for political purposes, internet manipulation may be used to steer public opinion, polarise citizens, circulate conspiracy theories, and silence political dissidents.

    That's everybody's business.

    While we may weigh up the pros and cons of these tools, it's a start to recognise that there are significant social risks here that shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Oh you mean the thing that has existed long before chatGPT... that's chatGPT's fault now?

    You're a fucking joke.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago*

    ChatGPT and other LLMs allow the manipulation to exist in an unprecedented volume. When you have actual people making posts, there are limits on how fast a person can make them and high costs to hire more people which limit resources. LLMs let you make a script and crank out thousand of posts in minutes, each unique and able to bypass spam filters more easily.

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  • [+] -11 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Gotta love how the Reddit and now Lemmy community is constantly against every single kind of technological advancement and they constantly end up being wrong a few years down the line.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Nothing but misinformation, hypocrisy and insults. This place is an echo chamber where not they're not used to being challenged.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    That's not really true.
    You came off combative with an attitude right from the start.
    You got smacked back down repeatedly.
    Certainly some of it is because of your opinions, but mostly it was because you're a jerk.

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    • [–] 109 points 11 months ago (2 children)

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    • [–] 24 points 11 months ago

    Nearly classic these days, since it's a wrap for most colleges next week.

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    [–] 48 points 11 months ago

    Oh no.

    ....Anyway

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