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[–] 117 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Nobody wants it to pay off. They want to be the last one standing which will pay off.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    For the vast majority of these companies, probably not.

    If the company is AI-only, then if/when the bubble bursts, I suspect it'll go under too. Only the biggest players will survive that, like OpenAI, since so many other services call out to their API.

    Companies that can pivot back to core markets will be fine, Google, Microsoft. Shovel sellers will mostly be okay too. What that'll look like for them is a period of huge overvaluation and then a return to sanity, you can see similar histories if you look at the stock price of still extant dotcom bubble companies.

    And then the hype will be over, there will be a huge crater left in GDP, retirement accounts, and the larger economy, but some "AI" technology will remain — stuff that is actually useful, like transcription, natural speech, noise removal, automated rotoscoping. But the fantasy of replacing information workers and artists will not come to pass, though they probably won't differentiate for the next several years, as the jobs market is decimated all the same by speculation hangover.

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    [–] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The last one standing will be "too big to fail" because currently the only reason that the global economy is not in a recession is due to AI spending.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Oh you mean each company promising to spend money on each other without actually doing anything.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Time for a joke.

    And economist and an accountant were taking a walk when they noticed a frog. The accountant says to the economist, "I'll give you $100 if you eat that frog." The economist thinks for a moment, then agrees. A little later they come across another frog, and the economist says, "I'll give you $100 to eat that frog." The accountant thinks about it for a second and also agrees. As they continue walking, the accountant says, "So I got to see you eat a frog for $100, and by eating a frog myself, I got my money back, so I understand why I did it. But you had already eaten a frog and had $100, so why did you do it?" The economist replies, "Ah, but this way it's twice as good for the economy!"

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Big if, because you expect a US company to win.

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  • [–] 42 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    if someone comes up with an alternative way to use a bunch of that infrastructure to make money, I bet they could get a lot of business when the AI bubble pops and suddenly these datacenters are desperate to find a use for themselves

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I believe that's pretty much what happened after the dot-com crash. A lot of fiber was laid during the bubble, it went dormant after the crash, but it was useful afterward as the internet continued growing.

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  • [+] 9 points 11 months ago
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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (-1 children)

    The promise of “fiber to the home” is still mostly unrealized, but those trunk lines are out there with oodles of “dark fiber” ready to carry data… someday.

    Counterintuitively, I'm seeing "fiber to the home" deployed more in rural an exurb areas. My guess this is because its lower density meaning installing and maintaining copper repeaters becomes more expensive than laying long distance, low maintenance, fiber. Additionally its easier to obtain permits because there is far less existing infrastructure to interfere with right of way and critical services.

    We got fiber to the home in our exurb about 4 years ago here in the USA. Its really cheap too. 500Mb/s is $75, 1Gb/s $100, and 5Gb/s I think is $200 per month.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    You mean like a crazy ai surveillance program? I take it with a grain of salt but I heard ppl say that's how they caught Luigi. They have some super secret prototype program "eye in the sky" thing and they just said it was a mc d's worker as cover.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    That's just a conspiracy theory. Luigi is clearly a different person from the images of the shooter.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Meanwhile the planet is dying from all the increased emissions from data center usage.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    Datacenters aren't helping, but they're like 3-4% of emissions. It's still manufacturing plastic crap and shipping across the ocean with bunker fuel burn causing 60% of it.

    But yeah, increased energy usage isn't helping.

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    [–] 61 points 11 months ago

    We know. Ffs.

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    [–] 14 points 11 months ago (-1 children)

    I believe most of the companies are doing it to inflate their share prices.

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    [–] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)
    • Krishna was skeptical of that current tech would reach AGI, putting the likelihood between 0-1%.

    Altman: “so you’re saying there’s a chance…!”

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago

    Everything will be fine as long as they create digital god. Just gotta keep the plates spinning for a few more years… yeah?

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    One day we'll read some of these comments and laugh at how shortsighted they were.

    Of course we'll probably have to read them on a manuscript or smeared on a wall with feces because all the world's resources will be used by the huge datacenters that power our AI overlords

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    So then we're going to drive down the cost of building & developing infrastructure, right?

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Based on the type of AI models IBM has published, they are betting on smaller, specialized models that can run locally or cheaper in a data center. Their strategy seems to be similar to that of thr Chinese, just for different reasons.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    For the same reasons. The old rules still work, most of the gold in tech industry is in tall RnD later paid off by scaling indefinitely. Things different from that are either intentionally promoted to inflate a bubble, or popular as a result of wishful thinking where that industry will change in favor of the same curve as with oil and gas. The latter just won't happen.

    Data is analogous to oil and gas here. But more like urine in ancient Rome than like something dug up from the ground.

    But there's still interest in making some protections and barriers to collection of said data, because otherwise those collecting it are interested to immediately use it for only their own good and not even of other fish in the pond.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    It's simple, you just use the resources people need and charge them more to keep everything affordable per quarter. Run out there's plenty of those national parks they've been hoarding from us.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Just ask for more tax breaks. poof Problem gone.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    So IBM (PCs are just a passing fad) has a future prediction? Not sure how much weight I should give this.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    IBM is in the business of consulting. They don’t want their business model getting usurped. Imagine if everyone had access to a bot that could do IBMs job.

    I don’t like AI, but this is one reason I can see him saying that.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Sure but they're in the business of consulting on how to build out that AI platform and the business of providing an AI platform.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Who's consulting IBM to build out an AI platform?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    A lot of companies. Don't forget that IBM was ahead of the game with Watson and Watsonx. Also, don't forget that Red Hat is owned by IBM and OpenShift is getting big in the AI space allowing GPUs to be pooled and workloads to be scheduled dynamically.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Now guess where that money comes from?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Don't worry consumers will pay for all their poor decisions.

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