Bazzite is seeing an insane amount of growth right now

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[–] 81 points 11 months ago (16 children)

Traffic cost must be insane. Hope they have good hosting and won't be paying through the nose and go broke.

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  • [–] 65 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

    Should be manageable and it is probably less than you would imagine. Just checked real quick: the isos load from download.bazzite.gg, which is a Cloudflare IP. So they are either using it as CDN or even more likely use Cloudflares R2 storage for isos - which would mean they pay for storage (~15$/TB) and operations, but not for egress. This is seems ideal for few but huge files.

    So for a single iso (~7 GB) they would pay 0,105$ for storage monthly and additionally 0,36$ per million of class B operations (reads/downloads). Of course they host more than one ISO, but for this example it would have been downloaded about ~150000 times to reach the petabyte.

    So yeah, the ISO download is probably less of a problem. (Disclaimer: lot of assumptions, check in with a bazzite dev for clarity)

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Doesn't $0.36 times 150,000 downloads come out to 54 thousand dollars, which is a lot of money?

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Sorry, my bad. 0,36$ per million class b operations. Of course there will be slightly more operations than downloads (e.g. people/bots sarting downloads and aborting them), but still probably cheap.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    yeah i mean for every 1 active user we have 1250 requests to download here. lots of bots. i dont know if they count upgrade pulls (each version is essentially a full iso that gets pulled to your computer), but if so that means with each update we'll see even more data draw from all the users upgrading.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I'm surprised they don't have torrent downloads for it. That would save on bandwidth costs and it's more reliable since torrent clients verify the checksum and automatically redownload any corrupted blocks.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    This whole thread had me wondering how much I'm costing them so I could at least pay my share. A quick search got me this page to donate. There's some information about how they are using that money, but it doesn't seem like they've spent much, and it makes me feel like they've got funding from somewhere else that covers their hosting costs.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Founder here, we have a sponsorship deal with Cloudflare that thankfully covers the vast majority of this. Our hosting costs right now for everything, including the GitHub runners, are $65, with the domain being another $100/yr.

    The intention with the donations is to pay for those costs, travel for Linux conventions, and for us to have a fund for additional higher cost items like eventually doing proper secure boot support. At no point will myself or others be collecting a paycheck out of those funds, and I've been paying our bills for the last 3 years or so. I'm privileged to be able to do this as a hobby and not as a job.

    Thank you for thinking about us! I appreciate the sentiment

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago (21 children)

    Can someone ELI5 why Bazzite is so popular? I'm a Linux longtimer (since 2006!) but never heard of Bazzite.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago

    Along with what others have said about it being a great ootb experience for anyone looking to play games. It is also immutable so you can't fuck it up too easily. And the very popular YouTube channel gamers nexus has started doing their Linux testing exclusively on bazzite. I think the latter is playing one of the biggest parts, while the previous two points are specifically why they choose bazzite.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    As I understand it, it's atomic Fedora with virtually everything you might need to game on Linux baked in (no need for layering) and more or less preconfigured. Off the top of my head, proprietary Nvidia drivers, Steam, Lutris, Hero launcher, support for Xbox One wireless controller dongle, plus a number of useful tools like Tailscale. An app with a catered list of gaming-oriented flatpacks, one click updating. Also a lot of effort into replicating the Steam Deck experience for handheld devices or devices connected to a TV.

    I believe they also do Aurora, which is similarly geared toward workstations with a ton of container-related tools like distro box readily available to easily use containers instead of layering where possible. The same tools may be available in Bazzite but I never checked. I have Aurora on my laptop and use a dedicated gaming device with Bazzite.

    I'm not a Linux veteran by any means but I was hopping distros looking for something I could install on my family's computers I tried atomic Fedora. When using it for myself, I became frustrated with the number of tools I use that needed to be layered or run in a container and eventually found myself on Bazzite and Aurora. So far so good.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Besides the reasons others mentioned, it's also popular as an OS for gaming handhelds, like the Steam Deck, Lenovo Legion Go, ASUS Ally X and what have you.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Imagine you like video games. You install Bazzite. You have Steam, with only a little checkbox (to allow playing on linux). It works, you can play, you have a "playstore" if you need something. You have really little to do if you don't go outside Steam and the playstore.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago*

    The immutable gimmick that’s currently going on right now is still way too flavor of the month for new users who are trying to learn from a ground set of nothing.

    New users aren't going to administer their computers either. there's no "flavor of the month" it's just teaching new users how to administer linux systems properly. And of course directions on the internet are going to be incorrect, the only correct solution is to follow the documentation, not random guides on the internet.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I never say it has no problem. I'm on bazzite and every time I want something that's not in the playstore, it's a fucking hell and it never works. I just stopped.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    You couldn't just layer it on, or use distribox and container it? I have plenty of Linux on machines I work with, but my gaming rig is Bazzite, and it literally does it's job perfectly, which is to game, and the few other misc things beyond its regular scope I have done in the couple's years it's been on that machine I have had no issues with?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Maybe I could if I had an idea what it was x) That's ok, I do with whatever bazaar has. My main frustration is for the VPN I paid, and can't use, but I tried things for days with the support and all failed, and since I don't understand what I'm doing and had to go in admin mode, I let it go. It's not a call for help.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    I just switched to Bazzite recently and have been using containers through podman/docker for anything not on Bazaar. But what do people mean when they say "layering" on an immutable distro? I'm very much still new at this

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    You're doing it the correct way, usually the people who are confused are used to their existing linux ways. You only have to learn this way and that will not only be best practice but works on any linux distro.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    What exactly do you think someone is going to have to do that isn't easily done on Bazzite? Bazzite isn't based around Steam. 99% of users will install everything they need from Flathub and be perfectly fine.

    Also, you can do anything you want with an "immutable" distro, it's just done differently. Immutable is a bad and unclear descriptor, which is why Bazzite uses atomic.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    A lot of things are built into it to be easily installable with less user effort. Has nice defaults. I use cachyos on my pc but on my handheld a lot of stuff wasn't working by default, like the handhelds buttons/joystick. On bazzite everything works by default. (Think it's one terminal command to install what is needed for controls in cachyos, but it didn't work by default) You can still download whatever using rpm ostree, as a user idr know the difference. Grabbed gparted that way. Bazzite has the ujust command which gives you a lot of options for modifying and installing stuff easily like waydroid, emudeck, plugins, etc.

    Also prefer gnome with extensions on touchscreens and handhelds, while everything else comes with kde and it's apps by default. Kde isn't bad at all and only 1 extension on pc (window thumbnails to pip any window) has me staying on gnome, but gnome works so much better for touchscreens and smaller devices.

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  • [+] -13 points 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    There's a good argument to be made that the project might just end up imploding in a year or two and dying out

    Could you make this argument?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago*

    No they can't, they can only say "flavor of the month" nonstop until another parrot catches it and repeats it

    I can counter argument their non-existing argument, if bazzite dies tomorrow you are free to rebase to any other Fedora Atomic distro

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 11 months ago*

    It's nonsense you can just use one command to swap from bazzite to kinoite if it does, it's very easy and low effort to distro hop on fedora atomic based distros

    And half of the project is mostly just automated package update pulls and compiling them into images

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    [–] 50 points 11 months ago (19 children)

    Bazzite is great. I wish I'd tried it sooner. It is great for a "steam machine" or just as a very stable regular desktop.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (16 children)

    For general user maybe but honestly I would prefer kinoite ,I don't like bazzite replacing all their apps with gtk4 libadwaita while KDE written in qt apps looks much better that's why I switched to kinoite

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Kinoite is also great and usually what I recommend someone coming from Windows who wants a distro that "Just works".

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    i like it too, but the ublue scripts are extremely handy so i hate leaving anything ublue

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Can you explain more? What are ublue scripts and what makes them so handy? I'm still new to this space.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I spent a little bit deciding between Bazzite and Kinoite when I got my PC and ultimately went with Kinoite since I still have some work stuff to do every now and then. Not a single issue on my end so far.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    You can install Bazzite with KDE also if I'm not mistaken

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Yes but they force you to use GTK apps by default for the core apps.

    They even replaced Discover with Bazaar where you can't see certain package types (like mangohud) and have to install them manually, can't browse by category and just get "selected" games shoved in your phase, as well as getting no update notifications and it will silently fail sometimes in the background with no notifications or messages.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    Bazaar has the best search by far, try them all, youll actually find stuff using bazaar, like fps will actually show all the fps, the rest wont, tried them all trying to find the best appstore

    The first thing I noticed was how bad the search was on kde and gnome for the software stores. (Tried cosmic, appcenter, etc. also)

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    By "core apps", you mean literally only two applications.

    The terminal is replaced with one that has a container workflow because that is the recommended and expected workflow for anyone working in a terminal.

    The store is replaced with Bazaar because it is the only one that is even trying to provide a good flathub experience.

    That's it. Everything else is stock KDE.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    My understanding is that one of the upsides to Bazzite is that Nvidia drivers are pretty easy to install and manage. That was the thing that turned me off of Fedora when I tried making the switch to that a couple years ago.

    Is that easy to do in Kinoite? This is the first I’ve heard of it, and it sounds like exactly what I would want out of Bazzite.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    They're so easy to install that you don't have to, it's built in

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    What about steamOS for a steam machine that has all AMD hardware so Nvidia drivers will not be an issue.

    I'm building an htpc that will never be used in desktop mode just couch gaming used by kids too. Still trying to decide which os to go with.

    Just want to know what the downsides if any of installing SteamOS if I just want valve to handle it for me.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    To my knowledge Bazzite is basically SteamOS with more flexibility under the hood if you're looking for it. By default it boots right into big picture mode. I imagine if you get an HDMI-CEC dongle it would work great as an HTPC once you get Big Picture set up with the streaming apps.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (4 children)
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    I'm out of the loop here, what's the context?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago*

    Gamer's Nexus has heard a lot of interest in their community about gaming on linux. So they've been working with Wendell from Level1Techs to put together a Linux benchmarking workflow. They chose Bazzite for those efforts.

    Gamer's Nexus likes to make frequent use of a clip from an Intel presentation where one of the presenters says "Thanks Steve," because the main personality on Gamers Nexus is Stephen Burke.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U4vr4reTN8&t=6s

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago

    Yes... ha ha ha... YES!

    (i dont even use bazzite but love that for them)

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    Mostly all thanks to Gamers Nexus, I'd wager.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    I am looking forward to GNU+Linux usage share numbers a year from now. I think it is very likely to pass 5%.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    I had such a good experience switching to bazzite (from arch btw) that I put Aurora on my wife's Ryzen 2500u laptop when windows 10 was taken out to a nice farm.

    That went well until she said her friend's kids couldn't play games anymore. I quickly and flawlessly rebased it to bazzite and set up games.

    A few hiccups with lacking Microsoft Office and having to learn the alternatives was the only issue she has had but that only took a few days for her to get down.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    This is amazing news. Hopefully they're getting enough donations to cover this.

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    [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    I'm doing my part.

    I set up bazzite in a VM and passed my GPU thru it.

    Now I've got a nuc clone in my office with bazzite on it as well and it's just a moonlight client. But it's silent. Or damn close. The GPU is two floors away, I hear nothing!

    That was two separate downloads, too...Nvidia-gnone and gnome-standard.

    I was on Nobara a couple months ago and liked it...but a colleague piqued my interest on immutable distros and now here I am.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    I distrohop every now and then, but usually when I have a convincing argument for it. Anyone want to try to convince me to switch either of my computers (one on Tumbleweed and one on NixOS) to Bazzite?

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 11 months ago* (9 children)

    its closest to nixos in functionality, but basically its just a very simple distro that doesnt require much work to maintain and comes with lots of useful premade scripts and configurations for gaming and making immutables easy to work with. if thats what youre looking for thats what its good for.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Can I setup docker containers on it?

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Yes, but the beauty of it is that it plugs in Steam immediately. If you're installing it on a machine that uses Steam and sometimes browses it is a one-stop shop.

    I offloaded Windows 10 entirely, installed bazzite, and played Hollow Knight and the entire Dark Souls trilogy from the same installation on the same harddrive I'd had them on Windows. Didnt even need to reinstall.

    To me that's impressive. I only had a few crashes overall too.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    podman works well, docker is a little finicky due to some systemd weirdness and the whole immutability of it all.

    it mainly tries to get you to use distroboxes which are awesome. you can even install something in a distrobox and expose it to the host.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    Are distroboxes, podman, and docker all names for the same type of program? I'll have to start researching the ones you mentioned and see if it fits what I'm doing.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    they're all containerization programs yes. I believe they differ in some minor details but thanks to the OCI standards a image built with docker will run in podman or vice versa.

    distrobox is a little more feature rich for development, meant for exposing services and are interactive by default, vs dockers run and forget methodology.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Distrobox is more like running an entire other Linux distro to run your program, so like before my laptop died completely I had Bazzite and needed to install something locally that was way easier to do in an Ubuntu Distrobox, any time I wanted to run that program I open up my distrobox and run it, felt very native and the app and its files were still in my normal home directory yet ran with dependencies and such I had in the distrobox only.

    Definitely nifty but different from the goal of podman/docker imo

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    I kept breaking my fedora install so I went to bazzite that month lol

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    I've been using Pop OS and it's been pretty good but I'm not super tied to it, would Bazzite be better at all?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Cosmic is subjectively the best DE out there. Popos 24 is scheduled for release in a week, it’s awesome.

    It’s a Ubuntu fork so it’s easy to follow Ubuntu based guides. Starting with 24 they’re going to stay much more in sync with Ubuntu LTS.

    Besides that, modern kernel, out of the box nvidia and disk encryption. Oh and pop is maintained by system76 that ships actual hardware (laptops and desktops) so it’s in their own best interest to have good modern hardware support. It’s a fantastic distro

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    [–] 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    How is Bazzite for NVIDIA users?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I put it on my gaming desktop and ROG Xbix Ally X and love it. Works great. The Windows Rog Xbox Ally X portable experience sucks. Also I'm not missing the intrusive updates and AI junk jammed into absolutely every Microsoft product.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Does this count torrent downloads?

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