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GrapheneOS needs you, nerd (grapheneos.org)
submitted 11 months ago by to c/programming@programming.dev
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Qualifications

  • Prior experience working on one or more of Android/AOSP-based operating systems, the Linux kernel and its hardening, memory allocators, or Android app development
  • Strong programming skills in relevant languages (in order from most to least common: Java, Kotlin, C++, C, Rust, JavaScript, TypeScript, arm64 assembly, Bash, Python)
  • Need to have enough experience to be comfortable to self direct workloads and submit finished features and fixes ready for review
  • Commitment to privacy and security principles
  • Ideally prior experience contributing to free and open source projects

Salary and remuneration will be commensurate with experience and aligned with industry standards. You will be employed as an independent contractor

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[–] 42 points 11 months ago (3 children)

You will be employed as an independent contractor

You will be employed

independent contractor

employed

contractor

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    An independent contractor IS employed. They’re employed by themselves. Self-employed. So if you’re doing work for them, you are employed as an independent contractor doing work for them.

    I think it’s pretty clear what they mean. Could have just said “you’ll be paid as a contractor and receive the relevant tax forms for your country” tho

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, said that, or "you'll work on this as a contractor" as contracting isn't classed as being employed by the hirer in some countries. The confused language makes them look like they could give you tax and social security problems, which might deter some good people.

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    • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Does it work in other phones than pixel?

    I'm loathe to give alphabet more money.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Any phone that runs android gives alphabet money, just buy a used one.

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    • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Will it involve coming in contact with the owner of the social media accounts? Because that dude is way too agro.

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    [–] 46 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    "you will be employed as an independent contractor"

    Dear (US) companies: this is not "employed". This is commissioned or mandated, depending on the contract details.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I don't know if there's really a better way to manage this need. They need a pretty niche specialized developer, so you have to cast a pretty wide net (globally, mind you) for remote work.

    1. It's a pretty small global team.
    2. How would they financially/legally manage the burden of tax/benefit/workers rights across all boarders; especially as a non-profit.

    Yes, people should know what they are getting into, with independent contractor work. I just think there is (probably) some nuance to this particular case; where hiring people on as an employee doesn't make a lot of sense.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Heh I literally at the same time you posted answered to someone else that I think I er where I'm coming from.

    Personally my issue is more with the framing ("looking for an employee") than with the fact that they want/need a contractor.

    I still wish them the best and would encourage everyone qualified to put their energy into a project like this rather than ... Close to anything else!

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    It also sounds like they are trying to fill a part-time role. "Must be able to commit to spending 80 hours or more a month" = ~20 hours a week, but given the ebb and flow of release/bug/patch work needed...

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, this is such an anti-labor thing for them to do. I hate seeing stuff like this in general, but from open-source projects it hurts way more.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I get where you're coming from. I highly respect this project for its privacy push and it's sadly a good example of "not all issues have the same priority".

    I honestly can see them just not being able to handle the business risk of a full employee would bring or several other reasons why it's "okay" from their perspective. I now basically have to choose between two subjects that I find important.

    For me I came to the conclusion that I still wish them the best - I can't hold them to a standard ass high as the corporate world personally, let alone one higher.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    It's not like I'm going to boycott them, but it's important to always push because they CAN do better. Any "risk" that they are not handling, they are offloading to the workers themselves. It doesn't just disappear. I'm not saying they should be only hiring full-time devs at competitive silicon valley salaries, but part time on a living wage with worker protections is an important bar to clear for all entities that seek paid labor.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    An independent contractor IS employed. They’re employed by themselves. Self-employed. So if you’re doing work for them, you are employed as an independent contractor doing work for them.

    I think it’s pretty clear what they mean. Could have just said “you’ll be paid as a contractor and receive the relevant tax forms for your country” tho

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    They are employed by themselves. They are not employed AS anything else. You have it right just your conclusion is inconsistent.

    It's for me not about the wording of the last paragraph by the way but about the context and requirements list which makes the impression (to me) of offering an employee/employer relationship which is only broken up in the last line. That's the part I really don't like.

    This kind of advertisement would be illegal in Germany btw as it would encourage pseudo self employment: someone self employed who is relying on one client only. (And no, not exaggerated: I've a legal department at least pull job description from the tech dept similar to this).

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    • [–] 9 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    Salary and remuneration will be commensurate with experience and aligned with industry standards

    Neat, this might violate California law!

    The law states that any employer with “15 or more employees” must include “the pay scale for a position in any job posting.”

    At least 1 of those 15 employees “must be currently located in California,” according to the Department of Industrial Relations website. And, for the companies this applies to, a job posting must have a pay range “if the position may ever be filled in California, either in-person or remotely.”

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    FUD

    1. GrapheneOS is a non-profit out of Canada.
    2. It's an "independent contractor" role. California has specific laws governing the classification of workers as employees versus independent contractors.
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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    1. doesn’t matter as long as they have employees in California

    2. doesn’t state it must be for employees only, it’s for any job posting

    Tech workers try to have any spine when it comes to worker’s rights challenge

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Let me do the work for you; since you'd rather just spread FUD then look for facts.

    1. https://www.linkedin.com/company/grapheneos/people/
    • 0 California "employees" listed
    1. https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/SB3_FAQ.htm (I just want to point out that there is a distinction; and I am not a lawyer) "Any individual performing any kind of compensable work for the employer who is not a bona fide independent contractor would be considered and counted as an employee, including salaried executives, part-time workers, minors, and new hires."
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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    1. Cool, that’s why my original comment says might. I don’t keep track of where random organizations employ people.

    2. You linked to a page about minimum wage, not the law related to job postings. Again, this law does not state that the posting must be for employee positions.

    Any criticism you don’t like hearing isn’t FUD. This would be a shit practice even if it wasn’t illegal in California.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    It isn't criticism if it isn't based on fact. The U in FUD stands for Uncertainty; and what do you think "might" falls under, or it's relation to sowing Doubt?

    The law related to job postings, is a labor law, that also covers minimum wage, and uses the same definitions. Labor Code Section 432.3 (Pay Transparency Law) Labor Code Section 1197.5 - California Equal Pay Act (Fair Pay Act) Labor Code Section 2750.3 (Employee vs Independent Contractor Classification)

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    • [–] -2 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    I will once they actually support more than googles shitty devices. I dont care about the supposed hardware features that nobody else supports. I know they are already making plans for other devices, but until that is actually a reality, Graphene is useless to me.

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    [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    1099, no pay listed.

    Sounds like a volunteer gig

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    [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Pay people for their time you cheap bastards.

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    [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Imagine working under Daniel Micay... Fucking yikes.

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