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Building the PERFECT Linux PC with Linus Torvalds - LTT (www.youtube.com)
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TL:DW It's a 54:20 video of Fake Linus interviewing with Linus Torvalds. It goes over Linus's views on hardware choice, questions about Linux and several community questions.

The video is long, but it's a good listen.

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[–] 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (21 children)

TLDW on his hardware recommendations?

  • chill interview, recommended to watch
  • hardware recommendations see below
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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    The parts from the build according to the youtube description:
    AMD Ryzen Threadripper 9960X
    GIGABYTE TRX50 AERO D Motherboard
    Samsung SSD 9100 PRO 2TB SSD
    Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 Cooler
    Intel Arc B580 GPU
    Fractal Design Torrent E-ATX Case
    Seasonic PRIME TX-1600 1600W 80+ Titanium PSU
    ASUS ProArt Display PA32QCV 31.5" 6K HDR Monitor

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    That's such a weird build, why have that PSU? That build doesn't get even close to requiring 1600W, the CPU + GPU are at around 550W together

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago*

    It's a perfect build because it validates my personal choice to almost always use Fractal Design cases.

    Previously I was primarily going off of vibes, but those have now been upgraded to objective truths.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The Intel Battlemage is an interesting choice. I'd put one in non-gaming PC if the price was right, but what is his reasoning? I have alchemist cards that have been running 8 hours a day on QA PCs perfectly fine for 2+ years. They sucked for the first couple months until Intel significantly improved the drivers.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Sound.

    He isn't gaming, so he didn't need a powerfull gaming card that can get noicy.

    He just needed something that can drive his two monitors (think they were 8k), and be silent.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    I figured it out. It's drivers. Intel provides open source Linux drivers.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I think the most interesting bit was his stance on ECC memory. Basically he says everyone should be using it.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Blame Intel for making that a bold statement. Their refusal to allow ECC on anything except expensive server SKUs for decades set data integrity back substantially.

    Fuck Intel.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    As a devil's advocate; what if they allowed ECC by default and manufacturers became overly reliant on it to make certain RAM chips binnable that never should have been?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I can't say I follow you. The price difference between ecc and nonecc should be so low as to make nonecc extinct, in a world where the marketing shits at Intel didn't have their way. How would it end up being a negative?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    What I was trying to say is they would just end up using ECC as a crutch, anyways. They already do this with solid state drives. Many reliability errors get swept under the rug because they're caught by error correction. So much so that there's doubt they would function without error correction. They would just do the same with RAM, force error correction for unreliable hardware so that it passes muster. I want the option to run ECC -- via BIOS, not have it imposed. I want the exact state of my hardware to be known if it's anything less than optimal. ECC would obscure these issues for the layman and make suboptimal performance that much more difficult to troubleshoot. Just food for thought. A month late, but better than never.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    There's a parts list on the YT description.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Here it is (links excluded):

    Check out the parts from the build:
    AMD Ryzen Threadripper 9960X:
    GIGABYTE TRX50 AERO D Motherboard:
    Samsung SSD 9100 PRO 2TB SSD:
    Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 Cooler:
    Intel Arc B580 GPU:
    Fractal Design Torrent E-ATX Case:
    Seasonic PRIME TX-1600 1600W 80+ Titanium PSU:
    ASUS ProArt Display PA32QCV 31.5" 6K HDR Monitor:

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    • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    One of the best videos I've seen on youtube. Torvalds is just cool af.

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    [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    This is so cool

    Like how they did community questions

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    [–] 31 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    God damn the LTT hate is huge in this channel. I don't really get it, but shit you guys really don't like a tech review channel.

    When I posted this, there wasn't a single comment about the actual interview with Linus Torvalds. That's a crazy amount of vitriol.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I don't hate LTT but they are mostly an entertainment channel nowadays, not a review channel.

    Their reviews are focused on sponsored products, sometimes wrong and most of the time don't go into much depth. Not to mention the countless ads, sponsorships and clickbait.

    If somebody likes them, more power to them, but I don't go to LTT when I need information about something.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    No kidding, it's intense. I like the channel well enough, and find they've handled their various scandals to my satisfaction, at least. And yes, it's 100% more entertainment than deep technical content I'm gonna learn from, but whatever, guilty pleasures aren't some horrible sin, and it's a better use of my time than reality TV. Being such a large channel does also get them access to some really worthwhile stuff now and again, like major factory tours, or Linus Torvalds, and that is stuff that's really worth my time.

    All of that said, I assume there's lots of people here like myself, but it just ain't worth jumping out of the woodwork for the guy. I like him, but not nearly enough to cast myself against this much vitriol for his sake.

    This is the coolest video they've done in ages, and Linus Torvalds seems like such an excellent, genuine guy. He gives really thoughtful answers to even some of the silly joke questions, and it's great. I super appreciate his perspective, and he interviews excellently.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Something gets popular, people have to demonstrate how unique and sparkly they are by going against it, it's a tale as old as time. I watch their videos occasionally and understand he's neither demon nor god. But try listening to their WAN Show podcast and tell me he's not (mostly) genuine and open...

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago

    The channel has no technical depth and has had one too many controversies to be considered valid. It's a way for large companies to "give" the newest most expensive shit to have it featured for viewers to see and want to buy the newest most expensive shit. He is a sales person.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    He spent a lot of years shitting on Linux on his channel before he pulled his head out of his ass and got halfway conciliatory about it. The few times he tried Linux it seemed like the entire show was designed to fail using linux to push people away. And considering how mercenary he has been throughout the years, it wouldn't surprise me if he was paid to do that.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    LTT was a big supporting factor for why I degoogled and switched to Linux when I did. It was partially because of their work I jumped over to self-hosting, open source, or other less "evil corpo" apps.

    I'm not really interested in defending the channel or the guy, especially in areas so polluted with hate for the guy, but there's no way they were paid by Microsoft to slander Linux and tbh I never took their Linux videos as overly critical or completely thorough examinations of the Linux experience. Idk, just feels like over exaggeration on the part of people who have too much fear a bit of non-perfect coverage will hurt their darling product.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If it helped you, that's great. We can dislike LTT for our reasons and appreciate the positive impact when they have it.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Which is totally valid... And also the entire point of my comment. This video had Linus Torvalds in it, giving a pretty decent interview, while building a Linux PC and this thread was nothing but hate. Literally no appreciation for the positive impact LTT was having in a community that, at least on paper, should be over the moon.

    I don't see much Torvalds stuff on camera, so this was nice. I'm not asking people to like LTT, it's just the dialogue around them on reddit and Lemmy feels extremely immature and outspoken and in this instance felt detrimental to the space and the supposedly shared hobby.

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    • [–] 65 points 11 months ago* (46 children)

    I refuse to watch a video with Linus Sebastian. I'll get better tech advice from my cat tripping on catnip.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I'm more concerned about the sexual harassment.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Are you referring to the sexual harassment claim that was alleged to have happened via another employee, but never substantiated?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Yes, and I appreciate that you pressed the issue because I never heard what ultimately transpired, since I never really cared for the channel before that. But I see they hired a 3rd party to investigate and the conclusion was that none of the allegations were substantiated. Though I haven't found any mention of a further response from the employee that made the allegations.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (36 children)

    Do you mean buying computers worth thousands of dollars doesn't make you a computer expert? I'm shocked. Shocked!

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  • [–] 56 points 11 months ago (35 children)

    You know, I was fine with LTT for a while (many years ago). I knew they were clowns, but they seemed genuine and well intentioned. Their first Linux challenge made me raise my eyebrows at them, because I was a long time Linux user and knew much of what they said was either off the mark or disingenuous.

    Then their storage server video came out and I almost fell off my chair with the levels of bafoonery I had watched. Even the real experts that helped them out had a hard time keeping their words civil while discussing the postmortem of the situation. That's when I lost respect for LTT and Linus Sebastian as a tech "expert".

    Then all the other stuff about the lies, the made up metrics, the years of garbage test data from negligent and lazy practices, and the cherry on top which was the Billet Labs thing. The arrogance of Linus Sebastian to do the test in bad faith on a GPU that was explicitly stated by Billet Labs to not be the target device, and then Linus whine on the WAAAH Show that it would cost him too much money to do a proper retest, and then just selling off the prototype. Then doubling down twice in a forum post that LINUS SEBASTIAN is somehow the victim in all of this! Poor Poor Linus Sebastian.

    And the moron couldn't even do an apology video without making some wise-ass joke. Couldn't read the room the one time he needed to do it.

    He's just an ass-hat.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago

    Thanks for summarizing all that. I knew most of it but forgot some of those details. He is an asshat indeed. I've been saying that for a couple years. Somehow every time I comment about him online multiple people jump in to say he did nothing wrong. Surprised that's not happened here yet honestly.

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago (33 children)

    He's also vocally anti-labor organization and anti-union.

    Arguably he's also pro workplace sexual harassment, but hey, he made an apology video so that's no big deal.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    He’s also vocally anti-labor organization and anti-union.

    I hear this all the time but people who say this can never seem to find a source for it. What he has said is that if his employees felt like they needed to form a union, then he would have failed as an employer. He's gone on the record as pro-union many times.

    Arguably he’s also pro workplace sexual harassment

    This one though, that's new. I don't suppose you have a source for that one either?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    That's an entire post about nothing but the testimony of a single employee.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child)

    And 8 months later the results of the investigation were posted here:

    https://xcancel.com/LinusTech/status/1793428629378208057

    There were a series of accusations about our company last August from a former employee. Immediately following these accusations, LMG hired Roper Greyell - a large Vancouver-based law firm specializing in labor and employment law, to conduct a third-party investigation. Their website describes them as “one of the largest employment and labour law firms in Western Canada.” They work with both private and public sector employers.

    To ensure a fair investigation, LMG did not comment or publicly release any data and asked our team members to do the same. Now that the investigation is complete, we’re able to provide a summary of the findings.

    The investigation found that:

    • Claims of bullying and harassment were not substantiated.

    • Allegations that sexual harassment were ignored or not addressed were false.

    • Any concerns that were raised were investigated. Furthermore, from reviewing our history, the investigator is confident that if any other concerns had been raised, we would have investigated them.

    • There was no evidence of “abuse of power” or retaliation. The individual involved may not have agreed with our decisions or performance feedback, but our actions were for legitimate work-related purposes, and our business reasons were valid.

    • Allegations of process errors and miscommunication while onboarding this individual were partially substantiated, but the investigator found ample documentary evidence of LMG working to rectify the errors and the individual being treated generously and respectfully. When they had questions, they were responded to and addressed.

    In summary, as confirmed by the investigation, the allegations made against the team were largely unfounded, misleading, and unfair.

    With all of that said, in the spirit of ongoing improvement, the investigator shared their general recommendation that fast-growing workplaces should invest in continuing professional development. The investigator encouraged us to provide further training to our team about how to raise concerns to reinforce our existing workplace policies.

    Prior to receiving this report, LMG solicited anonymous feedback from the team in an effort to ensure there was no unreported bullying and harassment and hosted a training session which reiterated our workplace policies and reinforced our reporting structure. LMG will continue to assess ongoing continuing education for our team.

    At this time, we feel our case for a defamation suit would be very strong; however, our deepest wish is to simply put all of this behind us. We hope that will be the case, given the investigator’s clear findings that the allegations made online were misrepresentations of what actually occurred. We will continue to assess if there is persistent reputational damage or further defamation.

    This doesn’t mean our company is perfect and our journey is over. We are continuously learning and trying to do better. Thank you all for being part of our community.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    if his employees felt like they needed to form a union, then he would have failed as an employer

    This is a standard anti-union line. It aims to maintain a union-free status quo. Employees in a non-coop union-free workplace have very little leverage to get more of the profits they generate. The workplace environment might be alright, employees might be paid alright. That doesn't mean they're paid fairly for the value they create. When there's no union, employee pay is set by the labour market, regardless of how much value they create for the employer. If an employee creates 10x what they're paid and they ask for triple pay, their employer would say there's another candidate to take their place, that it would be a bit of hassle to train so they'd give the employee some marginal raise, to not deal with that. A union on the other hand creates the negotiating leverage to get much more of the value employees create, by threatening a significant financial and reputational loss for the employer. Linua doesn't want that. Most employers don't.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago*

    This is a standard anti-union line.

    I mean, it may be, combined with other anti-union sentiments. It's also completely fucking true.

    I understand how unions work but thank you for the mansplanation.

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  • [+] -10 points 11 months ago (25 children)

    He's also vocally anti-labor organization and anti-union.

    Arguably he's also pro workplace sexual harassment…

    Untrue on both counts, but I’d love to see a source that proves me wrong

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (24 children)

    You realize that most of us here have watched plenty of LTT content, right?

    I don't know if you would call it a regular occurrence, but on more than a few videos I've watched he has made explicitly anti-union comments, including saying that organized labor is unnecessary.

    And looking at your comment history, you're an avid LTT viewer, so you already knew that.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (23 children)

    Burden of proof is on the accuser.

    I can’t prove a negative, but he has stated multiple times that he is pro union.

    Additionally, the 3rd party law firm that investigated the ex employee’s claims against LMG (the company) found that:

    Claims of bullying and harassment were not substantiated.

    Allegations that sexual harassment were ignored or not addressed were false.

    You should also note that the former employee never accused Linus Sebastian (the individual) of being a sex pest. Certain people lie about this constantly on the internet, and others believe it is true without verifying the facts

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Having seen multiple videos of him ranting about unions, I find your claim laughable.

    But wow, I wasn't aware that a law firm they paid said they did nothing wrong, that changes everything.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I guess the accuser really should have been the one to pay tens of thousands to a third party right?

    I’m fairly sure that nothing could change your mind at this point, but by all means keep spreading your misinformation.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    We investigated ourselves, and found nothing wrong.

    Oh I'm sorry, let me fix that:

    We paid someone to investigate us, and once our payment cleared, they found nothing wrong.

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  • [+] -6 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    What alternative was there? This is such a disingenuous take.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    You just claimed Linus was pro-union, when all of us have watched the videos of him ranting about his distain for unions and saying they're unnecessary.

    Forgive me if I don't take your critique at face value.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Show me the proof where he said he is anti-union.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (9 children)

    Dude, get real.

    Do you think I saved the video titles and timestamps for his anti-union comments?

    I watched his content religiously for years, and it looks like you still do, which means I know you're lying.

    But I definitely don't care enough about this to spend the next 8 hours digging through his old videos to find the various clips just to prove it to you on Lemmy.

    Tell you what though, if you go find me proof of his pro-union stance, I'll be happy to take that into consideration.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago* (8 children)

    For all anyone knows reading your comments you are either fabricating or twisting something said to fit your narrative. If you can’t or won’t find a source for your claims, that is totally fine, but I’m calling bs on those claims.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (7 children)

    Does that also apply to your claims that he's pro-union?

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    Yeah, burden of proof is on me there.

    If I felt like this was a genuine discussion, I might try to dig up clips of him talking about it, but at this point I feel like I’d just be talking to a wall.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    You probably would be, because again, I have seen him on multiple different videos making anti-union comments.

    But, depending on how vocally he was supportive of unions in any clips you showed, I could be persuaded to think better of him.

    But it would be insane for you to spend hours of your life digging them up for that purpose, which is good for you because I don't think they even exist, so I'm giving you an out to pretend that they do.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    11 hours of silence after this one lol, I guess even with proof they just didn't want to change their mind

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago*

    The playbook is generally to move the goalposts afterwards, but I’ve been surprised on Lemmy before so who knows? It takes a lot more energy to refute someone’s claims than it does to make them, so if a discussion is happening in bad faith it’s really not worth having.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Burden of proof is on the accuser.

    The burden of proof is on the party making a positive claim. This is true when in a debate, or maybe a professional setting.

    But this is the internet. No one owes you anything here, besides, Linus Sebastian's statements are generally known. And often he directly contradicts himself from show to show.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    …Linus Sebastian's statements are generally known.

    Apparently not based on your comments. Another explanation is that certain individuals know the facts, but twist the truth in an effort to manipulate others.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Ah. You're that guy I'd been expecting to hit this thread. Ya know you can still like his content without trying to tell other people they are completely wrong about a thing they've clearly thought about more than a little.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Then don't watch it I guess

    I don't really see a reason to announce it here

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Virtue signalling is very important to some people.

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    • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Is there somewhere i can watch this without giving Fake Linus monetary gain?

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    • [+] -13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Why does any even watch Linus Tech Tips, it feels like most his facts are based on his opinion, rather than any grounded reality, while he will flaunts it as fact. Then goes and make noob mistakes with his setups, while acting like computer Jesus. A fake interview only perpetuates this state of him making up content, to what ever pleases his himself and his patron audience. Truth only gets in the way of a good story, and this guy seems to know how to spin the tallest of stories

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