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[–] 56 points 11 months ago (4 children)

“They think we make the attack on each receiver and as soon as one receiver attacks, they try to swap in another receiver and get a signal from another satellite. But when the missile enters the range of our system, we cover all types of receivers,” they said. “It’s physically impossible to connect with another satellite, but they think that it’s possible. That’s why they started with four receivers and right now it’s 16. I guess in the future we’ll see 24, but it’s pretty useless.”

They're just wasting so much resources and don't even know what they're doing. "Just keep putting more receivers, they can't jam them all... can they?"

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  • [–] 41 points 11 months ago

    that’s not even the most incompetent part imo

    the fact that the missile tries to change direction too quickly and just breaks itself apart from the aerodynamic pressure is crazy… it’s literally hobby robotics 101 to put limits on acceleration etc

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    the theoretical reason for doing that is that if you have to split jamming power over broader frequency range, then for every n^2 times increase in bandwidth, here number of channels, range decreases n times. however gnss signals are so weak, it probably doesn't matter, and if you're adding extra power per channel, then it doesn't apply

    now if missile detects that gnss is fucked with (signal too strong, wrong direction, physically impossible location), the correct thing to do would be to fallback to inertial navigation while accepting that accuracy decreases until gnss can be received again, if at all, and acted upon. theoretically speaking, it's a matter of software update, better hardware also can help with that, so idk why would they release this. maybe there's something that prevents this

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    They probably released it because the situation has changed in a way that makes the information irrelevant, probably because it's in the past, or knowing it could somehow damage the enemy. Any communication from a country at war should be treated as propaganda. Or, they know Russia will treat this as misinformation, so they are free to tell the truth.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    plenty of drone teams release geolocated videos day after they happen, but in this case i'll guess that real sauce is classified top secret, that thing is outdated info and everyone is five steps ahead

    ahem

    triple the defense budget

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    This is some Macross level shit.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I was instantly reminded of this. Particularly in the context of this ancient thing that I can't believe is still up. How is Angelfire still kicking? Their parent company is Lycos, which is also somehow not dead.

    https://www.angelfire.com/sd/duo/laws.html

    Number 20. And probably also 17.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    Thats cool as hell, thanks for posting

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    Very cool. Don't search the song's name though, and definitely not who is Bandera.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Is it okay to discuss this publicly? As funny as it I'd, I really don't want Russia to get informed.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Night Watch uses a jamming system called Lima EW [...] Once the song hits, Night Watch uses Lima to spoof a navigation signal to the missiles and make them think they’re in Lima, Peru.Those jerks are dooming those missiles with the worst possible fate: thinking they're being sent to Peru

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Peru is pretty cool, actually.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    For tourists, absolutely. For the average person born and grown there though? The government is unstable, poverty is rampant, and life standards are questionable at best

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  • [+] -13 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Playing a Nazi song to own the Russians isn't as cool as it sounds, I'm afraid.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_father_is_Bandera,_Ukraine_is_our_mother!

    I don't see Nazi shit here. How much do you get paid to spread Russian disinformation? Or do you just do this because you believe in the cause?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Bandera remains a highly controversial figure in Ukraine.[9] Many Ukrainians hail him as an example,[10][11] or as a martyred liberation fighter,[12] while other Ukrainians, particularly in the south and east, condemn him as a fascist,[13] or Nazi collaborator,[10] whose followers, called Banderites, were responsible for massacres of Polish and Jewish civilians during World War II.[14][15]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Yeah that checks out... I probably should have kept digging deeper than just the song. I'm just tired of the whole "Ukrainians are all Nazis and Russia is the real victim" bullshit that gets peddled around here.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    I see you've already been corrected by someone who explained you who Stepan Bandera was. I don't blame you for not digging deeper than the wikipedia article of the song, but I encourage you not to antagonize people with concerns about Nazism and strong opinions about it on the internet.

    As for why the Wikipedia article of a song to Stepan Bandera doesn't start with a warning about him being Nazi (or have a "Criticism" section at the very least), I hope that also makes you reflect on the bias in Wikipedia when discussing topics with geopolitical implications.

    Stepan Bandera is a well known figure that has been discussed heavily since the beginning of the war, and his rehabilitation as a "Ukrainian patriot" completely whitewashing Nazism is extremely concerning to socialists like me, and even to non-socialists in neighboring countries like Poland.

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    [–] 33 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Huh, history repeating itself. In WWII, the Soviets had a type of land mine that was detonated by playing three specific frequencies over the radio. The Finns figured it out and blasted a polka tune, Säkkijärven polkka, over the radio for four months straight to jam them

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Please tell me it's a rickroll

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    From the article, link to the song.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Bandera was a genocidal nazi mass murderer. Very unfortunate choice of song.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Tell me you didn’t read the article, without telling me you didn’t read the article:

    Any digital noise or random signal would work to jam the navigation system, but Night Watch wanted to use the song because they think it's funny. "We just send a song...we just make it into binary code, you know, like 010101, and just send it to the Russian navigation system," Night Watch said. "It's just kind of a joke.

    [Bandera] is a Ukrainian nationalist and Russia tries to use this person in their propaganda to say all Ukrainians are Nazis. They always try to scare the Russian people that Ukrainians are, culturally, all the same as Bandera."

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    *Nervously trying to explain my swastika tattoo to a normal person*

    "It's just kind of a joke." 😬

    It's called an irony shield.

    I'm sure the statue of Bandera in Lviv is just a joke too.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    Boy, you must be super pissed at Russia and critical of a lot of their people then. If support for arguably-neo-Nazi figures is the metric. I mean, lots of them speak highly of Stalin, they have statues of him for fuck's sake, and he made a deal with actual Hitler and fought alongside him to invade Poland. He wasn't just a cosplayer.

    According to Vyacheslav Likhachev of the Institut français des relations internationales, members of far-right (including neo-Nazi) groups played an important role on the pro-Russian side, arguably more so than on the Ukrainian side, especially during early 2014.[240][241] Members and former members of the National Bolshevik Party, Russian National Unity (RNU), Eurasian Youth Union, and Cossack groups participated in recruitment of the separatists.[240][242][243][244] A former RNU member, Pavel Gubarev, was founder of the Donbas People's Militia and first "governor" of the Donetsk People's Republic.[240][245] RNU is particularly linked to the Russian Orthodox Army,[240] one of a number of separatist units described as "pro-Tsarist" and "extremist" Orthodox nationalists.[246][240] 'Rusich' is part of the Wagner Group, a Russian mercenary group in Ukraine which has been linked to far-right extremism.[247][248] Afterward, the pro-Russian far-right groups became less important in Donbas and the need for Russian radical nationalists started to disappear.[240]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#Ukraine

    Or is that side of it not a big deal?

    Only the side where it makes Ukrainians look bad in some way? For some reason?

    BTW, I just gave $50 more to Ukraine via https://u24.gov.ua/ on the big "Donate Now" link in the top right. Hopefully they can buy some weapons with it, and keep playing Bandera songs if that's what they want to do while they are blowing up Soviet-era equipment that's trying to kill their people.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    When they tell you who they are, believe them.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    [Bandera] is a Ukrainian nationalist and Russia tries to use this person in their propaganda to say all Ukrainians are Nazis. They always try to scare the Russian people that Ukrainians are, culturally, all the same as Bandera

    GTFO you Russian shill

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I'm afraid you are misinformed. Stalin and Hitler were Nazi mass murderers and best buddies. Bandera, while not an angel, was imprisoned by Hitler and murdered by Stalin.

    "Bandera was a nazi" was soviet and now ruzzian line, this statement is neither true nor false, but repeating it helps spreading ruzzian propaganda.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Eh? The OUN, under Bandera's leadership, repeatedly and actively sought to alliance Nazi Germany during WWII. They formed militias with the express intent of enacting pogroms against Jewish citizens. Their political agenda was absolutely a fascist one. Bandera collaborated with the Nazis directly near the end of the war to fight the Soviets (though he was between a rock and a hard place here, I admit).

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    so first things first. pogroms and volyn were terrible and seems like Ukraine is working through that.

    the point i'm making here is that the binary "worked with nazis" leads nowhere, and we have to bring things into the historical perspective.

    today we have the luxury of retrospective and know what fascism is and its dangers. which, ironically, doesn't seem to stop us from sliding into it.

    things were very different and slightly less binary in 1941. after all, the German American Bund (aka First US Nazi party) was dismantled only in December 1941. to make matters worse, germany, france and poland were all researching on the "re-settling" of jews to madagascar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

    what makes a difference for me is that while the main nazis (germans, italians, japanese and soviets) were all about "we are better, let's enslave the neighbor monkeys", ukrainian nationalists in that time were about fighting against occupation. polish, soviet, nazi and then again soviet. in that order.

    they lost, and as usual with history, it's written by the winners but the fact that (the modern nazi) ruzzia appears to have inherited fear of bandera from the (fairly nazi) soviet union, tells me that it's worth looking at him not only from the ruzzian perspective.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I think that's all valid and well-thought-through, and I perhaps misinterpreted your original message. It seemed to me you were saying that because he was imprisoned for several years by Nazi Germany, he was de facto not a fascist, which would be a very dubious claim.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Fantastic.

    Long live Ukraine!

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