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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

Good old times.

I could've created the parody OSS license "Programmers of Ni License", nowadays some people would like to expand that word to the hard-R N-word, with an 80+% chance that those people's account are littered with actual nazi shit, not just "liking edgy jokes".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ah, trying to bring back old nerdus obnoxious, eh?

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Life of Brian is arguably better for a ensmuggening Python based education.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Nah, Life of Brian was just decent commentary. Holy Grail was silly in a pointless way that resonated with Nerd Boys in the 2000s.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Does Holy Grail not resonate with Nerd Boys now?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm a Nerd Man now, I can't say.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah me too. I'm just thinking it over when I can introduce it to my boy. He's still too young, but probably a couple of years. I think I was like 11

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I kinda feel like kids these days are exposed to weird shit earlier than we were. I'd worry less about him being too young and more worried about the psychic damage you're gonna take when he thinks it's boring.

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  • I was worried he was going to be like that with Harry Potter. When I started reading it to him he fell in love with it almost right away. I have to cut off the time I spend on it because he'll just beg me to keep reading all night if I could.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I watched it at 11, spent half the movie thinking that I had half a medieval movie on the VCR tape (👴) because it didn't make any sense.

    At the black knight scene I got the joke and rewatched the whole thing several times a month for a while.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah but fewer people get the references

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  • [–] 111 points 1 year ago (36 children)

    Hey, not extinct! There are dozens of us

    Also don’t forget MST3K and Lord of the Rings!

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Cosmos (the original)

    Connections with James Burke

    Secret Life of Machines

    All of David MacAulay’s books

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Its never to early to read The Hobbit to get someone a lifelong addiction to the LoTR. I was trying for in-utero but my wife was not interested.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I’m starting to read the Hobbit to my wife’s pregnant belly. My daughter is due in September so hopefully I’ll have read the full book by then. I’ll then read the Hobbit to her again when she’s old enough to retain it

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    My daughter is also due in September. I know that its just the voice for the first few months. So I got to practice my reading outload. My wife says I rush when reading to her belly. In my defense Heading Home with Your Newborn is important but not the easiest to talk through

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  • [+] -20 points 1 year ago* (26 children)

    Lotr is overrated, there i said it

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Even if you dislike the story, its impact on the fantasy genre is hard to argue against. I personally dislike the series too, but I refuse to call it overrated because it influences basically every aspect of modern fantasy writing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Having a massive influence is just proof of it being overrated, imagine how much more creative stories would be if everything didn't have to force in elves and dwarves and goblins

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    My point wasn’t that fantasy needs elves, but rather that when a fantasy setting does include elves, you likely have a rough expectation of what kind of stereotype they’ll fit. That stereotype is the influence I’m talking about.

    The “elves are old, somber, magical, close with nature, tall and thin, magically graceful, pale, have pointy ears, have delicate swooping architecture and designs, etc” stereotype is what you’d likely expect from elves if they get brought up in fantasy… And that stereotype is largely influenced by LOTR. A setting can still be fantasy without elves, but including elves in your story will have the reader automatically setting certain expectations about how those elves will fit into your world. You as the writer can choose to conform to (or rebel against) those expectations, but there’s no denying that the expectation exists, and is heavily influenced by LOTR.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Youre very welcome to hold your incorrect opinion but please do not try to ruin other peoples fun. You could also tell us why you have your still very wrong opinion

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago

    I don't need to justify my comment to you. I said what I said and now a bunch of yall are acting like the sistine chapel roof is collapsing. It's mediocre at best, 12 hours of dudes larping like dorks

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    God lotr fans are insufferable.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Says a 40k fan.

    At the very least the LotR fandom isn't infested with Nazi's that fail to understand the very basic themes of 40k.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Doesn't like my thing huh, you NAZI.

    i guess i was wrong, lotr fanboys seem really chill and level headed.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You must be completely unaware of the kind of people who gravitate towards 40k.

    I didn't call you a Nazi. I said the fandom was infested with them. Odd that you'd go to such an accusation so quickly.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If you want to put a little note saying 'the movies are overrated' sure, we can have a debate about that. Fantasy films really aren't for everyone, and adapting LotR is definitely not an easy task.

    If you genuinely mean the books as well, idk what to tell you. The history of the fantasy genre after LotR proves you're wrong.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Modern fantasy owners might be standing on the shoulders of giants, but to extend the metaphor, it means their heads are higher than those giants.

    LOTR could be overrated as a piece of fantasy writing for a modern audience, even if it is absolutely key to establishing the modern fantasy genre. For me, LOTR was good, but it was unsatisfying in some ways. Like, Gandalf and Saruman were obviously powerful "wizards", but what is it that they could do? How did their powers work? And there were characters like Tom Bombadil who were confusing and had me flipping pages.

    I greatly respect Tolkien's work. But, unlike some more modern authors, I don't devour everything he wrote. For example, I absolutely couldn't read the Silmarillion.

    So, yeah, I can see how someone would say that LOTR is overrated, even if it was key to establishing an entire genre.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I think that's a lot like saying modern orchestral music stands on the shoulders of classical composers but that isn't really accurate, is it? Moonlight Sonata is Moonlight Sonata. Many classic compositions are still utilized in modern media.

    There's a difference with being disastisfied with certain aspects of a story and that story being overrated. Gandalf and Saruman's powers being vague was the point. Tom Bombadil is such a minor portion of the Shire, is that even something relevant to the narrative as a whole? Fantasy, specifically, has evolved over time through the introduction of power systems sure — does that make them inherently better than LotR?

    Not every book is for every person. You simply cannot deny the level of effort that went into creating LotR on Tolkien's part, nor that it is held in very high regard to this day. The books simply are not overrated.

    Harry Potter, though, absolutely. 100% overrated.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Classical music is a bit different because it's effectively frozen in time. They're not introducing new instruments. They're not using amplification for the most part. It's like doing the same Shakespeare plays over and over again.

    If there were a Beethoven today, he probably wouldn't be composing classical music. He'd be doing popular music of some kind. In fact, the historical record suggests he would have been a keyboardist in a rock band.

    For music, a better example might be Jimi Hendrix. He was an amazing musician and his approach completely shaped modern rock music. But, while his music was influential, are his songs the best rock songs of all time? I don't think so, because other people have built on what he did and have taken it further.

    Tom Bombadil is such a minor portion of the Shire, is that even something relevant to the narrative as a whole?

    No, and that's why a better author (or their editor) would have removed it.

    Fantasy, specifically, has evolved over time through the introduction of power systems sure — does that make them inherently better than LotR?

    Yes. Not just because of their "power systems", but because the authors have used some of the ideas that Tolkien introduced, and told better stories with them, or introduced better characters. Or, because they lack some of Tolkien's key weaknesses, like they're able to write interesting 3-dimensional female characters. IMO the heavy lifting that Tolkien did is to introduce a world filled with all these various kinds of creatures that we all take for granted now: elves, dwarves, ents, orcs, etc.

    He was probably the greatest fantasy writer of his time. But, he's "of his time". He unconsciously brings all kinds of biases and baggage into his writing that a reader in the 1950s wouldn't even notice, but that become more apparent 75ish years later.

    You simply cannot deny the level of effort that went into creating LotR on Tolkien's part

    Nor can you deny the amount of effort that went into The Room but that doesn't mean it's a great movie. LotR is a great book, but it's not because Tolkien put a certain amount of effort into it.

    But, is it overrated? There are 2 ways something can be overrated. Something can be bad and rated as being ok, and so it's overrated. Or something can be good but rated as being the best in the world and so it's overrated. I think LotR is in the second category as a fantasy story. As a foundation for fantasy literature, I don't think it's overrated because it introduced so many things that we just take for granted today. But merely as a book, looking at it through modern eyes, it is probably overrated. I think it's great, but it's no longer the best fantasy book ever written.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's fair, I don't disagree with anything you've said — except for Tom Bombadil, I love the flavor he adds to the story.

    able to write interesting 3-dimensional female characters

    Yeah LotR is a sausage-fest — there is no defending that.

    However, this is ultimately a matter of subjectivity, and I don't think I've referred to LotR as the greatest fantasy story. I don't think there can be a 'greatest' of any genre, no more than someone can be 'the greatest' at any sport, skill, or whatever else you can think of. 'Number 1 on the leaderboard' is an ephemeral position and impossible to guage accurately.

    In other words, to me I would be more likely to call Harry Potter overrated than LotR, and it isn't like JKR didn't have LotR to pull from. A Song of Ice and Fire, again — very overrated. Despite Martin's attempts to seem like a modern day Tolkien (which he certainly is not).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    However, this is ultimately a matter of subjectivity, and I don't think I've referred to LotR as the greatest fantasy story.

    No, I don't think you have. I just think that some people do. I think the hype around LotR makes kids go into reading it expecting it will be the best thing they ever read, and some come out of that disappointed.

    I agree that Harry Potter is also massively overrated. If you ignore Rowling and her current issues, Harry Potter is a decent fantasy book for kids. But, it became this international phenomenon. I don't know why.

    As for A Song of Ice and Fire, I get that one more. He did things that most other fantasy authors didn't. For example, he was willing to kill off characters in a way that almost nobody else does. That really raised the stakes because you could no longer assume the main character was untouchable. He also did something really interesting in the early books in that they were fantasy books, and there was all this talk about magic and gods and dragons... but for a long time there was nothing in the books that proved that magic really did exist. The dragons were all dead. The stark children had "dire wolves" but they weren't magical wolves, they were just really big. People believed in magic and all these interesting gods, but there was no proof that anything supernatural was happening. I was actually disappointed when the later books revealed that magic was real, and that the gods seemed to exist (or at least there was supernatural stuff associated with worshipping / believing in gods). It would have been really interesting to have a full book series that was "fantasy" without the supernatural element.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    And the music of Weird Al

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I would add Kids in the Hall.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    My son wants to "game" like most other kids at his class. So I got an old laptop, installed linux mint on it with dosbox. He loves lemmings, the incredible machine 2 and rollercoaster tycoon

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I fear that he won’t get many friends this way

    Mainstream might be boring but it’s an easy way to connect with people

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    This was the argument I used in high school when I wanted an Xbox 360. My parents were super reluctant given the cost, and then I told them I have nothing to talk about with friends in the hallways and I'm left out of conversations (I was). They reconsidered and eventually folded, and I was very appreciative

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I didn't get many friends the old fashioned way and I turned out fine in the end.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    maybe you could have had an even better life had it happened

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Unlikely. The reason I didn't have many friends is simply because I didn't get along with them: my interests were not their interests. It's much more fulfilling to find people who align with and elevate you than to seek popular approval.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    If you had access to the same things as them you could have had the same interests?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No, because my interests were "reading books" and "knowing things" and I had very little patience for people who did not understand the basic rules to a game on first explanation, for example. That's still true but it's much easier to select your peer group as an adult.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Column A, Column B

    The trick is to introduce your kid to your taste in gaming while they're young

    And then when they are in their tweens and want to game online with their mates, you set them up for it (with proper supervision and such, of course)

    And they WILL develop their own taste in gaming -- But they will have some common ground with you still.

    .... It worked for me and my dad (avid PC gamer, mostly plays strategy games and management sims though) anyway. Years later I convinced him to get Civ V and he completely destroyed me in it.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Throwing Discworld into the mix

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Don't forget futurama and star trek

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Star Trek is a difficult one. The oldest stuff is very dated, even TNG has some things that are very weird for a modern audience. But, some of the modern stuff is basically unwatchable.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Yea there's some dated episodes but there's also measure of a man, past tense and a bunch of others that still absolutely slap

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, there are some amazing episodes. TOS also has some amazing episodes. Offhand, I can't think of anything since DS9 / Voyager that was that good. There were definitely some fun episodes, but nothing that I kept thinking about for a long time after they aired, like say Picard's living an entire life in The Inner Light.

    ((Also funny about The Inner Light, is that I can't think of that episode without thinking of the really awkward way that they had Patrick Stewart pretend to play the flute by having someone lie on the floor out of camera and pretend that his arms were Patrick Stewart's arms.))

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    Extinct??!?

    We're not dead yet, just old!

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    you don't need to try so hard, just don't let him have weird ideas about gender and hope he befriends at least one girl. that'll be enough. all these idiots need is a female friend going "don't be an idiot that's not how things work".

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Or a sister, or any woman who has the standing to tell you "your teeth are blotchy and your breath is bad, that's why people won't kiss you, go to the dentist"

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I always wonder where are the mothers of these shitty young men?

    Like.

    If I even thought of going into a misogynistic phase during my younger years, my mother would have put me in my place, yanno?

    Are anglo mothers less sprited than latin american mothers?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They're at home, suffering their husbands abuse while their son learns to be just like Dad.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Oof. Hard to read/think about. But I'm pretty sure that's what's happening.

    My kid won't experience that (at least from their parents), thankfully. But we're doing our best to instill an open mind and acceptance for our child.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    It's easy to imagine them however you want. Truth is a lot of those incels probably come across as normal on the surface and have a normal life and are just depressed people looking for something to blame

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