A 21-year-old tourist has described the horrendous treatment he allegedly received after being denied entry to the USA due to a meme depicting JD Vance as bald being found on his phone

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[–] 180 points 1 year ago (13 children)

This not only has been going on awhile, it's worse than it sounds.

A French scientist was denied entry at the border earlier this year, in March, after officers unearthed messages criticising Trump on his phone.

Mikkelsen explained: "They threatened me with a minimum fine of $5,000 or five years in prison if I refused to provide the password to my phone."

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  • [–] [S] 73 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Any idea if these threats are actionable? He's not a US citizen to just fine or imprison.

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  • [–] 94 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They have "deported" dozens of US citizens at this point. Usually, being a non-citizen makes you more vulnerable to arbitrary bullshit at the border, whereas if you're a citizen you can stand up much more so for your rights if they're trying to push you into something illegal, but as of this year it's starting to matter less and less.

    Everything is actionable once the rule of law collapses. At this point, if you're crossing the border, you're in danger of whatever they want to do to you.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    There's neither even a rhyme nor reason to Trump's fascism (or to fascism in general). But it does correlate with the observation that they are fantasists. They do things out of whim and emotions, disregarding expert advice and opinions. Any promulgation of fascism will eventually lead to its own downfall, because they live in a fantasy world where they believe that their will alone could shape reality; ignoring the basic common sense that reality could never be altered to one's desires.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    they are not legal, as the first amendment applies even to noncitizens. however that doesn’t mean they can’t deny entry for “any” reason. they are fascist after all.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    It has been ruled by SCOTUS that the Constitution specifically does not apply at border entry to non-citizens:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_ex_rel._Knauff_v._Shaughnessy

    the Constitution does not grant aliens any protections when trying to enter the United States.

    https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-3/ALDE_00001263/['article',%20'14']

    an alien "on the threshold of initial entry stands on a different footing" because he or she is theoretically outside the United States and typically beyond the veil of constitutional protection.

    https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/345/206/

    Although a lawfully resident alien may not captiously be deprived of his constitutional rights [to due process], the alien in this case is an entrant alien or "assimilated to that status" for constitutional purposes.

    The Attorney General therefore may exclude this alien without a hearing, as authorized by the emergency regulations promulgated pursuant to the Passport Act, and need not disclose the evidence upon which that determination rests.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Depressingly, SCOTUS has ruled that you really don't have the same rights at border crossings as you do once you've passed through.

    This applies to citizens as well as foreign nationals.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    How do you put someone in prison who has not entered your country yet?

    And I thought it was already ruled that they can't hold someone for that long just for not giving up a password at the border?

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  • [–] 241 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Our leaders are NOT Snowflakes or Emotional!

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  • [–] 108 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This can't be true because conservatives always cry about free speech.

    If this is true then that means conservatives are massive hypocritical assholes.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 103 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    imagine going on holiday in a country where they check your phone for memes

    seeing the grand canyon seems cool but it can wait until that lunatic and his friends are gone

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Absolutely!

    I have family in the US. Uncles and aunts and cousins. One of my cousins have a child who I've never met. I would love to meet them all.

    But there is no way I'm going to the states in the current condition. And even if the administration would be replaced, I think it would take years for the states to recover to the point where I would visit.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Keep in mind that TSA searching peoples' phones was already policy under the last few administrations. Which is part of why I wasnt interested in traveling there even before the lunatic.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    I've been avoiding travel to the US since the Patriot Act that followed 9/11 started that kind of shit and more in general the US started moving away from Democracy and into Autocracy.

    Last time I felt like traveling to the North American continent I just went to Canada instead for a whole month - sea kayaking in British Columbia, hiking in the Canadian Rockies, sightseeing in Quebec . Highly recommended by the way.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That should be against privacy laws in some countries and considering you can sue people from outside the US into the US court because of US rules it would make sense to have it the same with that human rights form one country exist in other countries. Sadly the world isn't built ontop of logic.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It’s also a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Within 100 miles of the border there is a warrantless search exception, but I hear you.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I thought this was the onion but its real... :)

    It seems the mentality of the United States rulership have shifted back to the dark ages.

    I wonder if accusing people of being witches is next.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    seeing the grand canyon seems cool

    Seen it several times since I used to live a couple hours away. Ultimately, it's just a giant hole in the ground in the middle of nowhere. Save your money and your sanity by visiting some other country.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Please be satire, please be satire...

    reads

    ...Oh, fuck.

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  • [–] 80 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The United States is such a shithole country lol

    No one should travel there.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Um excuse me, who else can defend peace and freedom and democracy? They make all the best weapons!

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But, but Elon told me comedy was legal now!

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago*

    Mads Mikkelsen

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Just get a burner to travel. Quit bringing your phones here.

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  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Better yet, don't go at all. Go to a country that's still a democracy.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I refused to travel to the US in the last Trump administration. I'm certainly not going to do it in this one.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    As someone else pointed out in another comment on this thread, US border guards have been searching through phones over multiple administrations now. I'm guessing probably since the advent of smartphones.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    JD Vance meme

    No, that’s just how he looks.

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    He claims he was then strip-searched, forced to give blood samples, a facial scan and fingerprints.

    Imagine having your biometrics taken and your blood forcibly siphoned by state-backed goons with guns for a meme.

    Heads need to roll.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Lets teach that uneducated moron Vance the Streisand effect.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If you are doing any international travel, leave your personal phone at home and bring a burner.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have traveled the world, I just returned from China. Nobody has ever asked for my phone. This is crazy and it's definitely not the norm and is not happening even in very strict regime countries. This is the new USA.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It's not the norm but it does happen quite a bit, especially in authoritarian countries at land borders where the officials are always looking for a way to justify their jobs. It happened to me last year and that was in China, although in that case leaving not entering.

    PS: for info, that was in Xinjiang at possibly the highest security border in the world. I showed the official a bunch of my mundane tourist photos, which was enough to have me on my way. Not a pleasant experience though.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Welcome to the new authoritarian America. Brought to you by craven politicians and a huge group of dipshits who consistently vote against their best interests because they only consume information straight from the sewer pipe that is fox news. Free speech is under threat more with each passing day, and once the Palantir database is complete, they are really going to go all out with their oppression.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Same thing i asked the other guy who posted this.

    Do you have a source that isn’t a tabloid? The only other sources i found were other tabloids.

    I’m sure horrible shit is happening but tabloids aren't news. They are meant to get an emotional reaction via mistruths and exaggeration. And you having a one day old account makes this even more suspect.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Magas hate freedom

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    That's a paddlin'

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