DeGoogle Yourself

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 11 months ago

People have suggested web rings, but most people don't care much.

Most users are kind of learned helplessness and don't really try much different.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago

Math isn't the problem, when you search "tetris attack snes" and the results are all "tetris," and then clicking "did you mean what you actually wrote?" returns "nothing on the internet resembles those three words, you freak."

The Man Who Killed Google Search - Where's Your Ed At blog, by Ed Zitron

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[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 11 months ago

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Feb 14, 2022

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[–] PlanterTree@discuss.tchncs.de [S] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

It has not gotten any better since then?

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[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

Start of AI generated shitsites?

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

I'd be interested to see if reddit has "peaked" since then.

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[–] TomMasz@piefed.social 12 points 11 months ago

I haven't heard anyone say Google is the best in a very long time. But people keep using it because they either don't know or don't like change. Deals to make it the default in many browsers certainly help keep it going.

[–] PlanterTree@discuss.tchncs.de [S] 6 points 11 months ago

I can suggest marginalia search as an alternative, it is sponsored by NLNET and based in europe. https://nlnet.nl/news/2023/20231016-marginalia.html

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Article is from 2022-02 and the last I heard is that Google search is up.

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Google search has been shit for several years, this isn't a shock.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

Can't there be an alternative like a user-curated search engine? Users could label their favorite sites with the proper keywords and then the community could up/downvote the results for quality control.

[–] heftig@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

Would be just as vulnerable to automated SEO unless there's a significant barrier to being able to label and vote, such as invitation-only groups.

And don't we have this already, almost? Filter Mastodon hashtags for links or add UI for hashtags to Lemmy. Or use full text search.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It really is, it is intense to see it happen so quickly and decisively in recent years.

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[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

And they still have the underlying data to make it not suck, kagi licenses their crawl and provides a functional search.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 point 11 months ago

Right but then how do you sell AI if your search engine is far more trustable!

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[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

Why are you creating new accounts on a new instance every week or so? That's very suspicious looking behavior!

[–] cm0002@libretechni.ca [S] 0 points 11 months ago

From a different reply:

Shopping for a new home instance
Exploring the Threadiverse from different perspectives (the "hot" feed you see can vary quite a bit depending on the instance you're on lol)
Learning that the bot intended to better interconnect instance comms may not be doing as good of a job
Interconnecting wayward or much smaller instances, a couple of them are missing even the big comms, one I was on the other day I needed to manual have it federate with every comm I posted to
For the creation of comms on fitting instances or just among a regular rotation of general instances so I'm not making a whole bunch on any one instance
Prevention of a reoccurrence of my imposter problem

Trolling .ml (or Why am I cross-posting .ml content?

I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.

Megathread on the issue

Some highlights from the link:

"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068

"NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

"If you don't support Russia then you just don't understand geopolitics" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda

On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like "Lemmy? Isn't that the place with a bunch of tankies?" Or "Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left". The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.

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