How to legally discriminate against anyone above the age of 40?
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"Our application statistics show everybody has IG and TikTok accounts."
I don't have either one of these. Jesus.
I technically have an IG. It has 1 photo of not me and I've never commented
And it's required. I genuinely have neither. Am I not welcome to apply?
You're on an fbi list for not having one and another list for having neither
Anyone asking for your full address at the job application stage isn't usually legit either. Just don't. You can give that to a BG check company after an offer is made and accepted.
Source - am HR
where I live, there is a street near mine that is locally famous for being a trouble making poor area.
Felony Flats is one of the nicer nicknames that neighborhood has. The street I live on is also famous, but it is famous for being the road with the old historical houses and generally upper class atmosphere, the popular walkway/trail runs alongside it.
Everything being equal and it came down to splitting hairs, if someone was to see the street names and addresses and knows the area, they would absolutely give me an opportunity vs my neighbor of just a few blocks away.
Felony Flats is one of the nicer nicknames that neighborhood has.
Please tell me there's also a Misdemeanor Manor somewhere in your city.
It's less an issue of getting a job and more an issue of data miners masquerading as job applications.
That really depends on the jurisdiction.
In the UK, it is mandatory to provide your actual address for most positions, for example.
What?
It seems pretty resonable for my employer to know where I live...
Here in Sweden, they get all of that info via our personal number which we submit to them when accepting the possition
Not one employer of mine knew or cared where I lived. They knew whether I did the job or not.
But do they need to know when you apply, or only after you've been hired?
Why would my employer need to know where I live? That makes no sense.
It's anecdotal, but back when I was on Reddit, I saw someone say that a prospective employer actually required your full credentials so that they could check your private information as well.
That not only sounds illegal and shady, it would be the dumbest thing you could do.
Now somebody else has your account, uploads some Epstein material for shits and giggles and you can go to jail
That is an immediate "Nope the fuck out of there, you do NOT want to work in het place"
You slipped out a bit of Dutch at the end there.
Doesn't sound illegal at all. Immoral sure. But there's no way governments have created a law to make asking for social logins illegal
Small company overreach.
They probably also ask you a bunch of illegal questions in the screening
That makes sense, because any government agencies that actually have a need for intimate knowledge of your social media footprint don't actually need your password to harvest ALL the data that network has on you public and private.
They just buy the data en masse from data brokers. All of the process is civil rights theater.
I mean maybe if they have an investigation and they want to use that information as evidence sure that would be illegal to use but for background checks any of that information is fair game if they are able to get it. Like if your terms of service specifically say they wont give any information out for any reason, maybe you can sue them if you can prove they got the information with your name attached directly instead of it being sold after being anonymized in aggregate then another company/data broker aggregating other data on you to infer who's data belongs to who with device footprints then selling that to the government as a service which i mean good luck. But most likely the terms you sign say they will hand over data for criminal investigations or matters of national security to government entities which they can state background checks for high level clearance positions is a matter of national security.
No country is publicizing what checks they do for a high level security clearance check unless they want to give bad actors and easy way to beat their checks. What country is this and whats the exact law you are referencing? If you can provide me direct evidence for that I'll eat my words but I think you are misunderstanding something if im honest.
There's no need to involve the courts when the social media networks are complicit. It's not as if "how" they obtained the data will ever be tested in court, they only need the data for their own internal investigations. Courts and spy agencies don't have anything to do with it.
If that illusion makes you feel safer, then I don't care enough to argue with you about it.
My boss worked at IBM before his current role. He said a former colleague of his listed him as a reference for his security clearance and he "got to meet with some men in suits with no sense of humor" as part of it.
Honestly I'll probably never go for any jobs that require a security clearance because honestly that's just a level of stress that I don't need
Yeah but this is asking for their credentials which is an absolute direct NO, as that would be extremely risky for me
I don't even have a TikTok account, lol.
You shouldn't have an Instagram account, either. Meta is more evil than Google.
A decade ago I would've agreed. Now I'm not too sure there's enough difference to be significant.
I mean the second part of your comment. Obviously I agree with not having an IG lol
These are evil companies, but I am curious what metric you're using to say one is worse than the other when their objectives and methods are similar.
I feel like any company that seriously wants an employee doesn't want an answer to either question.
I do not have a TikTok account because I'm not 6 years old, and do not care about what the current trend is.
Maybe it's an intelligence test: if you supply them, you're too dumb for the job.
The red star indicates a required field.
Sure sure. Or go with the old standby
I used to use fuckoff@aol.com or fuckyou@aol.com whenever some page forced an email address for access. Sadly, those don't seem to work anymore, so I've transitioned to getfucked@hotmail.com or if I'm feeling spicy I just feed them whatever email address I can find listed on their own site.
I usually just do "marketing@sitename" for whatever site it is. Let marketing sort out their own spam. Sometimes I'll just do "postmaster@sitename" or "admin@sitename" but marketing is usually my go to.
Many forms simply do the most basic regular expression possible of looking for alphanumberic characters with an @ sign before a period somewhere in the mix, so you can enter entirely nonexistent domains, but some are a little more in-depth
While entertaining, the point is that they are collecting it to check the account so I could just put in some celebrity's handle and explain it later or put in gibberish and explain it later.
So?
They can require these things all they want, the correct reply is N/A or / - meaning "I don't have an Instagram or a Tiktok account" (and if you do have accounts, it's not a crime to pretend you don't).
And that should be the correct reply for a decent employer to rate the candidate above those who stupidly provide the information.
Conversely, if the employer thinks not having social media accounts is a minus, it's probably not an employer you want to work with anyway.
This is probably rage bait TBH.
since this is required..I'm sure the position involves some type of social media presence on insta and tiktok
I’ve had first-hand accounts of in-person interviewers turning their laptops to the interviewee and asking them to log in to their social media accounts.
I’ve also had first person accounts of interviewees laughing and leaving immediately.
"Required" doesn't mean you have to provide account credentials. It just means you have a provide a string of characters to complete the form. None or / are strings of character.
I don't have a tiktok and I think I deleted my Instagram because I never use it and they were sending me email. I'm betting those aren't the only two services they ask about. You could enter None for each but seems like if they're asking for these, they're going to take a lack of answers as a strike against you and probably reject the application.
So best to reject the job listing first
Looking forward to the day I'm unemployable for not having those accounts instead of just for being really easy to find out I'm a communist
Report them, the only solution.
... To whom?
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