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[–] 97 points 11 months ago (12 children)

Lol. As a software engineer, give me the non-smart version of every appliance, home feature, and television. It's why I went with a projector over a TV.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    I use an Epson and just hook up Roku for streaming or use a nearby PC. It has Android TV, but I never use it.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Wait, so you got a projector to avoid the smart features of a tv, but the projector has the smart features anyways, you just don't use them?

    What was the point of getting a projector over a tv?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    For the size/space, and portability. Plus I'm an Android Developer, so I can play around with the Android stuff and disable a lot of stuff if needed. And I use it to test some of my apps. But never for anything else. But it is far better than the garbage that is Samsung by miles. It's streets ahead.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    How long until we have no real choice? The vast majority of TVs are smart TVs now

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    But at least, for now, they still require you to connect to a network to receive updates and ads. Once they connect with no user interaction, to non-home networks, then we will be fucked!

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    One of these companies is gonna do a cost analysis on how much they could be making in additional ad revenue and how much it would cost to equip all their TVs with 5g antennas and pay for the data.

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  • [–] 42 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    I’m never buying a “smart” appliance for my home if I can help it.

    None of these need this shit. Give me basic ass buttons. I just need my fridge to be cold, make ice, and spit out water. That’s as smart as I want.

    None of these things need a wifi connection.

    This is the old man hill I will die on.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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    I do, but the fridge has colder filtered water.

    I didn’t buy this fridge, mind you.

    But I used to just have a filtered jug in the fridge, the tap is fine but it’s nice to have very cold water when you want it.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I'm all in favor of smart appliances... as long as they don't connect to the Internet. Give me a local HomeAssistant integration. That way, I can check what's in my refrigerator from my bed without worrying about it showing me ads.

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  • [+] -6 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    I just need my fridge to be cold, make ice, and spit out water. That’s as smart as I want.

    Yeah, the same applies to wives. She just needs to be hot, make dinners and swallow rather than spitting out. That's as smart as I want.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)
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    I'm sitting at home in my tracksuit watching my Andrew Dice Clay tapes and an ad comes on but I'm so deep into a quart of Red, White, and Blue that I can't find the fast forward button on the remote. Better post on lemmy

    Call the nurse, smells like grandpa needs to be changed again.

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    I once asked why anybody would want a smart fridge. Most people didn’t seem to know. The most common answer was that it could act as a focal point for a busy family for keeping track of things like appointments.

    So, like a blackboard/whiteboard, cork board, or even a normal fridge, some paper, and magnets.

    I’m no Luddite. I’ve got smart lamps so i can change the lighting in my living room & bedroom without getting up. And I’m looking into heating so i can have my heating come on when i leave work, rather than at a specific time. That saves effort and money.

    But i just see no reason whatsoever for anybody to have a smart fridge.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    "Luddite" has been turned into a slur over time but it is actually a view point that humans should have a say on what technology does to them and for who. They were not technophobes. They were technodeterminists.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child)

    In my country they run ads for a "Smart" line of appliances and there's a part the guy is like "Adjusting thr fridge's temperature from my phone? Now that's smart!"

    Like mf how often do you need to adjust the temp??? I do it once after buying groceries or maybe when the season changes and it's like 1 press of the button at the door, tf?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    In every fucking commercial for a washing machine someone is in their garden and turns on the machine by wifi. How does the dirty laundry get in?

    The only interesting thing might be a notification when it's done.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Do you leave work at different times each day and week that you don't know about until you are at work?

    Unless you do, a regular programmable thermostat would be fine.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    This might surprise you, but some people work jobs with alternating schedules.

    I'd imagine it's pretty annoying to reprogram the thermostat every other week or w/e.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    And it isn't annoying to have to log into your thermostat every day?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Log in every day? Many, if not most, smart thermostat apps have location based features to automatically handle the use case OP had mentioned. You can set it up one time and pretty much never need to interact with it again.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    The smart thermostat that came with my house has that "feature" and I hate it. If I don't walk past the thermostat for a few hours, it assumes I'm not home and then lets the house turn into an icebox.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    So your thermostat is tracking your location by GPS to know when to turn on?

    I mean, I guess at least I can see how someone might benefit from it I suppose. I certainly don't want that though.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Nobody was asking what you want.

    Nobody here is trying to sell you on one of these, you just jumped in to tell us how you cant fathom why someone would want one and were offered a reasonably common use case as an answer.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Wait until they find out about how cars are tracking your every movement

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Or when they find out that their phone has like 30 other sensors used in conjunction with the GPS for tracking that can't be "switched off".

    Or that switching off GPS is only switching off the transmission of the data, not the collection of it on the device which then stores it all to be transmitted as soon as you turn the toggle back on.

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  • [–] 58 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

    The crazy thing is that most people don't care. They will calmly close all the popup ads, obediently sit through YT ads and happily click on sponsored links on reddit. I know one guy who will close and re-open YT app to skip an add. Sometimes he has to do it 10 times in a row before the ad skips but he still thinks it justifies using YT app. People are weird.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    My parents bought an Echo Show that they pretty much just ignore nowadays, except to set a timer or tell them the weather every once in a while. All it does all day is sit there and show ads for random stuff. It makes a terrible clock because its too busy showing ads half the time to actually show you the time in a font you can read from across the room. I know you can ask it to tell you the time, but thats so much slower than just looking at a normal clock

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    Introducing... the Echo Watch. Never be without your echo devices. Ever. We will murder you if you try to leave us. Also prime costs more now and you need an additional subscription.

    Amazon. Because fuck you~.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    I feel incredibly split on ads.

    On one hand the incessant need to market things can be actually positive, offsetting service expenses, allowing things to be cheaper. Streaming is a perfect example of this, as people don't seem to realise just how expensive it is to maintain the infrastructure for it compared to traditional cable infrastructure, not to mention keeping the apps maintained and bugfixed etc., and then we haven't even talked about things like content licencing fees, residuals, and so on. Residuals alone mean that a single user can stream enough in just one month to "spend" their whole annual subscription fee on a single actor's residuals (this is technically unlikely, as one would need to stream a singular TV show or movie 24/7 for 30 days, but still possible).

    And obviously people want to pay less. The least possible, that is. Netflix at $5.99 was a steal. Disrupting cable, globally. But that price was also only possible because of various venture capitalists investing heavily in Netflix, which allowed them to pay for the service mostly from that money, and keep prices low to acquire more users. The recent hikes (all the way up to what, $20?) are the result of venture capital drying up, as Netflix went from a market-shaker startup to revenue generating machine. Which is the point of capitalism, isn't it? Take an ide and make profit/revenue off it.

    So how do you offset these increases? By involving a third party who's willing to pay you, in return for inserting their service into yours, essentially providing your userbase to them. This would mostly be... Advertisers. Marketing.

    The problem is that advertising is a cutthroat business, with intense (and incredibly dumb) KPIs to fulfill. For which they need targeting, for which they need data. And this constant crusade for absolutely pinpointed ads that result in the most sales is what's making it such a disgusting business. It's not enough to shove ads in your face, those ads HAVE to be perfectly tailored to you, and for that, every smidge of information will be utilised against you.

    And this is where I'm torn. On one hand, taking these fuckers' money to make services we do want, more affordable, is great. On the other hand, them wanting to know literally everything about us, and weaponising it against us, is fucking disgusting.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    They are not showing ads for fun. They are showing them to sell stuff. People save $5 on Netflix and then spend $1000 on stupid shit they saw in the ads. Paying more for content without ads lets you escape the consumerist mindset and save money long term. Of course majority of people don't want that. They are hooked on quick dopamine from buying another toy on Amazon and ads help them find new shit to buy. Other people simply can't afford to avoid ads and are constantly brainwashed by then into buying one brand over another. Yes, I guess they do get cheap content in exchange but I still find it sad. The entire industry could die tomorrow and we would loose nothing of value.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Oh I fully agree with you. Marketing in general is one of the most evil business segments - only a notch above phone scammers, really. All of it is edged out not to actually market a product but to sell it to you no matter what. Doesn't matter if you need it, or if you can afford it, or if what they say about the product is true or not, the goal is to sell sell sell. Nothing else matters but taking your money.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Streaming is a perfect example of this, as people don’t seem to realise just how expensive it is to maintain the infrastructure for it compared to traditional cable infrastructure

    Much of the cost of streaming for platforms like Netflix, and especially YouTube, are due to the need to centralize it to allow for more data collection. The cost of streaming also gets overblown, by a lot. Companies like Google and Netflix are spending huge amounts of money trying to build out new features and offerings, like games, that make it look like maintaining the streaming service is far more expensive than it is

    But that price was also only possible because of various venture capitalists investing heavily in Netflix

    Netflix has never needed to rely on venture capital for their streaming platform. Netflix has made a gross profit every quarter since 2011 when this data starts. They have also had a net income all but one of those quarters, which is absolutely insane for a new tech company investing that much in R&D + licensing

    The recent hikes (all the way up to what, $20?) are the result of venture capital drying up

    No. They're the result of perpetually increasing profit margins. They were very profitable before the price hikes. Their expenses have gone up far slower than their revenue. It's simply extracting more wealth without providing additional value

    as Netflix went from a market-shaker startup to revenue generating machine

    It's a bit pedantic, but Netflix wasn't a startup when they got into streaming. They were an existing business that was profitable to fund their pivot to a technology platform

    So how do you offset these increases?

    Netflix has had an operating income (revenue - operating expenses) of $12.6B over the past 12 months. With ~300M subscribers, that's about $3.50 per subscriber per month. Subscription prices are much lower in most countries than in the US. For the ~80M US subscribers, that is probably $6 in profit. The $5 cheaper ad tier is probably about what we'd expect their prices to be if they had simply continued to make a couple billion a year in profit. Also keep in mind they would probably get and retain more subscribers with a lower price, and their increased operating expenses includes them building out tons of stupid mobile games most people don't want, and one-off necessary expenses like building out their original content capabilities

    Note: This last bit is doing some napkin math and is subject to error. I didn't feel like digging deep enough into their financials to get more exact numbers (such as the average subscription price for the rest of the world)

    TL;DR -- Much of the price increases and addition of ads can be attributed to increasing profit margins, not increased operating costs

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    [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Dave , Daaaave . You've had too much ice cream tonight Dave. Eat some vegetables Dave, they are good for you

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    "Start watching", like anyone would wanna watch a series on their fridge, lol

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    A fridge lifespan is measured in tens of years? That tablet on the door is deprecated in something like 5. Make it make sense (and I don't mean the capitalist sense of see ads and buy a new fridge everytime the tablet is done for)

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    Modern fridges last less than 7 years.

    I like smart devices and IoT but I hate that for normal people this has been diluted down to cameras and screens on everything with no consideration about privacy or boundaries.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yes screens on fridges are stupid but... The display will definitely last more than 5 years. I'd even go so far as to say that it will last longer than the compressor of the fridge. Where do people get the idea that displays fail very easily?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    It’s not that the display will fail, it’s that the tablet that powers it will be hopelessly outdated in 5 years and likely not even receive security updates anymore, so your “smart” fridge will probably end up getting a virus while browsing the Internet or something like that.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Why would you need a smart fridge ?

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    We need individual names and faces of executives, publicly linking them to their deeds.

    "The corporation" didn't do it.

    They didn't do it because "it's their job"

    They had a "screw humans over" button in front of them and knowingly pushed it when they themselves know they didn't have to.

    Corporations cannot act. People can, and they are the ones responsible.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    Any idiot that bought one of these fridges deserves what they get.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Gotta appreciate the choice of ad, though.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    And I'm just here using a fridge that's been going since before the fall of Yugoslavia...

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Kill it with fire

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I only know about this thing because louis rossman made a video on it and it's just... Do you really go to your fridge to watch movies or listen to music? Do you really need cameras on the inside of your fridge? It's so weird

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    It's our fault for buying these pieces of shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I have a theory; each person in this show is a neuron.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I have a Samsung smart TV and apart from suggesting I watch stuff on their own Samsung channel thing I don’t think it shows me any adverts. Maybe it’s because I’m not in the US?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Yeah I have a smart LG tv and I turned that crap off even. I got sick of ads for shows on various apps showing up when it’s waiting for an input. Now it just shows me the apps I have installed and my various hdmi inputs, it’s nice.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Wow I have never felt the urge to strangle a refrigerator. I am feeling new emotions everyday thanks to innovations in ad targeting

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago

    I didn't think these existed in 2000. I thought they were only around recently.

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