The capitulation of Senate Democrats in ending the government shutdown without healthcare concessions has sparked outrage. Calls for new leadership and primary challenges are growing. The fight for a Democratic Party that truly fights back continues.

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[–] 98 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Like 90% of the Dems in Congress need to go. Replacing Schumer will be a start but not nearly enough.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    and all of the republicans cow-toeing to dear leader

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    it's also unfeasible since people vote democrat automatically anyways.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Recall them all, reject dem establishment figures in primaries, and call them up to tell them what you think of this cowardly maneuver. Fucking corpo shills.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Perhaps we've ended up where they're all corporate shills because if you aren't a corporate shill and you can make change happen, you end up dead.

    Edit: Or they attempt to denaturalize and deport you...first

    Edit: To be clear, i fear for Zohran Mamdani's life if this stupid deportation thing fails.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I knew Schumer was gonna fuck it up somehow. The last few days I was finally starting to get a little hope he grew a spine and actually listened to DNC constituents only to have this blow up. We gave up effective air traffic, SNAP benefits, furloughed and laid off government workers for nothing in return after all these weeks. If his constituents don't demand a new rep after this then what hope do we have in the Senate for the foreseeable future?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    The hateful 8

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Could you imagine a government with 30% of the politicians being Independent like Bernie? The corporations wouldnt know who to bribe, politicians would actually need to worry about what voters think. 100% Independent would be horrific for corporations ... and exactly how the founding fathers designed the constitution.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    James Madison’s entire reason for creating the Senate was to protect the “opulent minority” (landholders) from the majority (everyone else). The constitution was always designed to protect capital as its prime directive.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago
    [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wonder what he got as a kickback. He does a lot of surrendering these days.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not enough folks know about referendums, and all the cool things they can do.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    US would do well to support third party candidates while building the vanguard.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    The only path to effective opposition in the United States is through the destruction of the Democrat party. It can't be reformed.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It has been before. Many, many times.

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  • Exactly. Ideological flip. Democrats and Republicans were firmly on opposite side of ideological divide before they switched.

    Third party and independents used to be more prominent in congress and senate up until the early 20th century. I think mass corporate media brainwashed people to think within allowable and carefully curated discourse that they can only elect Democrats or Republicans. Hence, manufactured consent.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    And yet, how? This is a problem that's older than most of us.

    I'm tired of hearing people say what needs to happen like they've just rubbed a magic lamp. The reality is that they're are still scores of people okay with this shit.

    The best we can do at this stage is get a progressive to start leading them. I don't know if we'll get this, but people are finally very angry at these clowns, so maybe.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I feel like the better option would be to target the Republican party, since social inertia is gonna mean a few cycles of losing to whoever we don't destroy first. I don't wanna have to dismantle capitalism and christo-nationalism at the same time.

    We replace it with a blue collar "libertarian" party that's just socialism with all the jargon replaced with country songs.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    How would they do well to lose more seats?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    How is it helping to have more seats?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Not when Dems always have the needed number of turncoats no matter what the situation!

    Need two, don't worry, two will fall on the sword and make it (not) happen!

    Need 8? 2 who are retiring and 6 who don't have a re election coming up will make it (not) happen!

    Anything to stop too much progress from being made!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    They've had enough seats to fix these problems plenty of times, but chose not to. They've had majorities twice that I can remember, and spent the entire time building out the systems that the current administration is using.

    So once again I ask: How is it helping to have more seats?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fuck chuck the Cuck

    Kick his ass out!

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    It doesn't matter. He'd just be replaced by another traitor ghoul who would happily do the same thing. It's fucking over. Nothing good is possible in this system anymore. Hell, maybe it never was.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    New York elected Mandami so there is a chance…

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    New York City did. New York State would likely have elected Cuomo.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Cuomo did not do well, but I was surprised he did even as well as he did. It IS a beacon of light that at least one of these pieces of crap got replaced by someone who seems to actually care about something outside of themselves.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Across NY state he would have faired better as he is a known quantity and many liked him for some reason.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Cuomo is one of those politicians whose appeal completely baffles me. He comes across as self-serving to the core. He is exactly the kind of opportunistic, power-obsessed figure people usually say they can’t stand in politics. What’s the draw? The draw must be limited, since NYC rejected him in favor of Mamdani twice, but still.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Really don't know how you have time to comment with all the boots you seem to be licking.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    I genuinely don't know how that makes any sense in response to what I just said.

    I'm over here fucking despairing about being betrayed AGAIN by the group that's supposed to be NOT Nazis, having my life fucked in another new and novel way, and I'm licking boots? Whose fucking boots am I licking?

    Make that bullshit accusation make sense.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah I'm real sure you keep posting like that telling people to just give up and not fight back cause you are sad. Sure buddy. Your post history makes it real clear who you are advocating for.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Again, justify that accusation. You don’t know a thing about me. I’ll give you some information you don’t deserve, and the only thing I want to see in response is either an apology or a real argument explaining what your problem actually is.

    I am married to someone who has an autoimmune issue. Health insurance for my family is mandatory. I get that insurance for her through a job I hate so much I fantasize about getting into a wreck on the way into work because then I wouldn't have to go. Together we developed a plan that would allow me to do a career change that would allow me to switch careers into something that DOESN'T make me dread damn near every waking moment. A plan that relied on the ACA as an insurance stopgap. That just got taken away. Stolen away. Given to Nazis in exchange for NOTHING.

    What about that sounds like “bootlicking” to you? What makes it so unbelievable that I might be upset? Explain yourself, apologize, or just have the decency to stop responding altogether.

    Edit: Initial draft was uncivil. Cleaned the language up some, not entirely, while maintaining the substance of the initial response.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What's there to get? You are telling people to lay down. Give up. Not fight back. Abandon all hope. It's a very apparent patern in your comments. Don't bother documenting fascist crimes it won't do anyything. Don't bother organizing. Don't bother resisting. Lay down and roll over. Thats the tone. Excuse me if that sounds 100% like exactly what the fascists are hoping people think. Relying on us to behave. Can't imagine a better way to lick that boot.

    Stop doing their work for them, assuming that isn't your goal. Or at the very least have the courage to keep your defeatism to yourself instead of trying to demoralize the rest of us.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    You’re lecturing me for “defeatism” while you’ve said yourself:

    Yeah the thousands of people who are going to die, be bankrupted, and or go homeless in the meantime probably don’t give a fuck about how it might change the elections in a year.

    There was never a time in American history where checks and balances actually protected the rights of anyone. Nothing we are seeing today is new. This is how the system has always worked. Also hierarchical authority is incapable of fighting corruption.

    So when you say it, it’s righteous outrage. When I say it, it’s “bootlicking”? That’s not conviction, that’s ego.

    You’re not defending hope. You’re defending the sound of your own voice. If you can’t tell the difference between grief and complicity, that’s your literacy problem, not mine.

    And coming from someone who lectures strangers about “polite forms of communication” while doing nothing but sneer and posture, you might want to sit this one out.

    Yeah. I can look at post histories too. The difference is, I’ve offered concrete examples, a thing you are oddly reluctant to do, because any of my comments would fall directly under the explanation I already provided, one you’ve agreed with in your own words. One wonders what might motivate your dodging a challenge issued multiple times.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Same shit, different year. Nothing will change. Americans will never learn. And the political system will never be changed.

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Classic, American racist, judging solely by the origin.

    P.S.: I have absolutely nothing in common with the instance. It is just one of many that allows registrations ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How is what they said in any way racist?

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    [–] [S] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The eight senators were Sens. Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, Dick Durbin of Illinois, John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire, Tim Kaine of Virginia, Angus King of Maine, Jacky Rosen of Nevada, and Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, but Levin said many more centrist lawmakers were likely “in on the play.”

    On **MSNBC Monday, Shaheen acknowledged that Schumer was “kept informed” of the eight senators’ negotiations with the GOP regarding reopening the government.

    [...]

    “The coordinated nature of this—none [of the lawmakers who voted yes] are facing voters in 2026—means that either Schumer approved it or failed in his job as Senate [minority] leader to stop it,”

    (emphasis added)

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    No, Schumer needs to resign immediately and never ever have any input to politics again, this was an awful betrayal of everybody who grinned and bore the suffering from the government being closed because they knew it was Republicans holding us hostage.

    Schumer has betrayed us all by normalizing betrayal like this, by encouraging us to take a deal with the strongman out of fear because maybe people won't hold the line when you come under the crosshairs and maybe you will just be sweeped under the rug because your suffering was too cynical for the opposing narrative to handle...

    This is honestly the singlest biggest US policy failure of my life time, I cannot believe how badly Shumer blundered and betrayed my future with this.

    People are going to die because of how Schumer behaved here, many tens of thousands of people. Schumer is a disgrace to the Democratic party and is a living breathing argument as good as any that the issues at the heart of the DNC are terminal and fundamentally resistant to change necessary to survive, the future be damned.

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    His dumb attempt to set this up to try and avoid the blowback he got the last time he caved is infuriating. It's like he can't possibly standup for what he thinks is right. If he believes we should never shutdown the government, he should say so and own the consequences.

    I can't tell if he's incredibly cynical or condescending that he thinks we're all morons that can't see through his lame attempt to frame the narrative.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Schmuck Boomer needs to retire so he can spend more time with his donors.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's not just the rotating eight. It's not just Schumer.

    It's the ENTIRE Democratic Party. This was a cold, calculated act that sent a message to the electorate: vote all you want, but the billionaires are in the driver's seat and they're not giving you an inch.

    Not one goddamned inch. You're down in the shit, and that's where you peasants belong.

    It's a shell game. It's rigged to the hilt. Both parties belong to the same billionaires, body and soul. The point is to keep the proles cheering for whichever cop is promising to save them from the other one, while both beat the shit out of you.

    Funny how Americans forgot the lesson from 250 years ago. The one about the only solution for the Owner class. But then, they've been in control of the classrooms and the media for a long, long time.

    #GeneralStrike #Revolution

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Again. Fuck this guy.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    All of them - plus Schumer - need to resign immediately. Primaries are way too far off.

    That is where the pressure needs to be. Make the cowards crumble before their constituents for once, not just the fascists.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Even after so much disappointment in recent years, this self-own is a new low.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Primary all those cucks. They basically just showed how little they care about the people of this country. Fuck em.

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    You mean the ones in 2029? Other than Fetterman, the ones who voted no are not up for re-election for a long time. That was by design. Their assumption is that we will have forgotten by then.

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    [–] [S] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The eight senators were Sens. Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, Dick Durbin of Illinois, John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire, Tim Kaine of Virginia, Angus King of Maine, Jacky Rosen of Nevada, and Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, but Levin said many more centrist lawmakers were likely “in on the play.”

    On MSNBC Monday, Shaheen acknowledged that Schumer was “kept informed” of the eight senators’ negotiations with the GOP regarding reopening the government.

    [...]

    “The coordinated nature of this—none [of the lawmakers who voted yes] are facing voters in 2026—means that either Schumer approved it or failed in his job as Senate [minority] leader to stop it,”

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