You literally can't do what ICE has been doing and not also do it to citizens. Due process must happen. If an exception is granted to this, then no one is safe.
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The "freedom" part in my country's constitution refers to freedom from random government arrest.
Weird that the secret police force with so much authority is doing anything wrong...
Doesn't seem like an arrest when it's on Illegal grounds. I call it kidnapping. Which is where the actual authorities should be stepping in to do something about it, but I guess they're seeing them as also officers in uniform and hey, got to support the blue, right? No matter what they're doing to people.
What do you call it when a goon drives a car with a US citizen toddler inside away while their parent is taken away? Because I'm pretty sure arresting toddlers isn't acceptable at any level. What possible crime could justify toddler detainment? Seems counterintuitive for the parents rights crowd.
Clearly the toddler was involved in a terrorist plot to subvert the government.
The entire point of dehumanizing immigrants is so that "the parents rights crowd" won't be bothered. "Immigrants aren't human, they're just immigrants." They might not say those words, but that how their brain is processing the information.
Regardless of citizenship, they literally pulled every resident out of their homes at an apartment complex to n Chicago.
Why every single one of us wasn’t rioting afterward in the streets is beyond me.
What would a riot do that those residents were too scared of doing?
Every single one of us should be concerned that ICE is going door to door looking for hidden immigrants.
If they are doing this on US soil can you imagine what they did in the middle east? It's no wonder all those countries are against the USA. Wiki leaks exposed it and nothing happened, Snowden exposed what's going on inside the US and nothing happened. It's a government that has been totally out of control for years
Operation PB success... Cia first operation... F the government
They went so hard against the constitution so early on in chicago. This which is a text book analogy to the story of why illegal search and seizure is in the fifth amendment. England having soldiers come into a community and say there is a criminal so proceeds to break down every door, toss the residences and detaining everyone in the center of town. Last I knew one guy from the complex, which from what I can tell number 100 to maybe over 200 private residences, had a traffice violation and that is the extent of criminals they found. They straight up murdered a guy for driving away in franklin park. Then of course over time they tried to shoot a clergymans eye out, won't tell anyone where people who are grabbed have been taken, including lawyers, filled a woman full of holes who survived by some miracle, won't allow communion or any other religious rite be performed for detainees. Oh and then the random shooting of people with pepperballs and tossing gas canisters around like its one of their ice-mates salad.
Beginning to question the legitimacy of the entire process. Feels like we're just snatching up poor people and criminalizing them for being the wrong skin tone.
Since the article doesn't make it clear, it's important to note that the fourth amendment applies to everyone, not just US citizens.
Skip due process and this is guaranteed to happen.
There’s literally videos of them arresting Americans. One that comes to mind is when they grabbed Rodney roadsteamer from out front of the ice facility in his giraffe outfit for singing a song that hurt their Gestapo snowflake feelings
Those fucks stalked my wife while she was coming home from getting bloodwork a couple weeks ago. My lily white South Dakotan wife. She noticed an ICE vehicle staking out the blood draw place when she left. They start following her when she left through multiple turns including 3 consecutive right turns. She led them through a pharmacy drive thru and picked up some scripts singing loudly now about "Fuck ICE" then ditched them in the maze of one way streets in our neighborhood. Fuck them.
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today thoughts?
So what will be done about it? Until there are actual consequences, clutching pearls over this means nothing.
This is not clutching pearls. It is documenting crimes.
I am american, moreso than most realistically. My family has been texan since before even texas was american. I am brown and have a Latin last name, there's a ton of us the same here in texas. In my family the generation before me was the last that inherited spanish from the family and none are fluent (texmex spanglish at best), at least not without schooling.
This is all to say that my drivers license is on me at all times outside of my house. I carry it everywhere, even on my smoke breaks at work, even when I'm washing my car, even when I'm checking my mail.
I shouldn't be living like this, I don't deserve to live like this, my rights as an American citizen say I should be protected against this, but here we are.
This is so fucked up. America is dying.
its been dying for decades, it was just a slow decline each presidency. cant really survive as the most right wing country amongst other western countries. also the fact that many conservative pundits/politicians cant survive politically in other western come to the USA too.
yeah but in consolation space karen is getting substantially and yet unnoticeably richer
The thing is, unfortunately, they’ll call your drivers license fake and disappear you all the same if their app says you’re not legal. Apparently their facial recognition app is never wrong and no matter what documentation you may have on you at the time, if the app says you’re going on a plane to El Salvador, well buddy I got bad fuckin news for ya.
You are absolutely correct. They've already done it .
Leonardo García Venegas, a Florida-born U.S. citizen with a REAL ID, was forcibly arrested by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at an Alabama construction site after agents claimed his identification was "fake," Venegas told Noticias Telemundo in Spanish on Friday.
I shouldn't be living like this, I don't deserve to live like this...
You're right, and I'm so sorry you and others are going through this.
I've always been critical of the US and the bed of racism it was founded and grown on. I've never been more ashamed of it than I have in the last decade. So many decent folk have been hurt by this administration and those who think like them that it feels insurmountable to come back from.
Rest assured that those perpetuating these crimes will be held to account, even if they have to be hunted down like Saddam Hussein. There will be no quarter, no amount of money, and no mercy to save them from their fate; in life nor afterward.
White many-generational American here.
In addition to license, I've always kept passport card and CBP Global Entry at all times.
Who did you and your friends vote for?
I feel like there is a couple a constitutional amendments specifically for this situation. One in particular.
Hint, hint, Everyone buy a gun...TODAY!
That is completely false about the states, but might be true about the specific citizens
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/03/immigration-enforcement-ice-deportations-states-trump
Houston literally had the highest amount of ice raids lol.
https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-states-ice-arrest-immigration-2107629
Texas is one of the places where ice makes the most arrests lol.
But there has rarely been instances in recent history where gun nuts have used their guns against agents of the government instead of unarmed civilians. They don't like it when they shoot back.
Ex Wells Fargo employee here, back in the early 2010s we used to have unrealistic sales quotas for bankers and high pressure to meet them, with sales phone meetings at the end each shift. The result was the scandal we're familiar with, millions of fake profiles and/or authorized accounts opened by those that couldn't take the pressure. I think something similar is happening, Miller had given them a very high arrest quota, and you can see how this could lead to them arresting whoever they can
Off topic but the fact that anyone still banks there, and that they're even still allowed to operate, is just crazy to me.
also apparently ICe contracts means you have to stay in for a few years or you have to payback the bonuses, or loans, so its a way to ensure some of them will stay on and not leave right away, which would increase the number of faux arrests.
I agree. Without disagreeing with how evil some of the people in charge are, this behavior is entirely explained by unreasonable quotas and lack of accountability.
Individual agents struggle to meet an impossible quota, see a huge bonus dangled in front of them, and learn there are no consequences for taking shortcuts. Clearly designed to bring out the worst in people, to reward bad behavior, yet maintain a veneer of plausible deniability by those who intentionally created the situation
All Americans, even those for whom immigrants are instinctively “other,” should be disgusted by these abominations, which make clear that there is no foolproof protection for anyone, Americans included, from ICE’s rabid tactics.
There is foolproof protection - be white.
Being white doesn't make you immune from being oppressed. Eventually, they will come for you, just like with everyone else.
I was commenting specifically about what ICE are doing right now. The point is that it shouldn’t be a surprise to anybody that American citizens can be victims, because the driving principle is simply racism.
... for now. Trump is going to move on to white people who disapprove of him eventually.
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