Indulge me for the coming delusion, but if we ignore who this is, forget all the reasons we know that we can't trust him, and allow ourselves just a few moments to hope that we could live in such a world.

A world where manual labor is no longer needed, where people can just exist as large mammals are meant to exist. Robots will handle it all and we can just do as we please... and the robots are going to be plentiful because once enough of the process of making a robot becomes automated, the cost of it will go to zero. But to get there it is going to require a ton of money... these robots are going to be way too expensive for people to actually buy them, so investors and governments will help out. The investors will eventually lose everything, but that will put us on the way to having everything we need to be created through completely automated systems.

Of course, there will still be jobs for those who really want them - or more likely, who want them and are good at them - or even more likely, who knows the right people... but if we can get our basic needs taken care of it night not fully end poverty but it would be a step in the right direction.

But, alas... It's Musk saying it so it's only to further enrich himself and won't actually happen.

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[–] 187 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Uugghh! Every time I hear him speak, I am reminded of just how stupid he is. He thinks like a 12 year old.

Not one mention of how robots that do all the work for us, is going to solve the problem of how people are supposed to be able to afford to live, when no one has a job anymore.

Are you volunteering to pay for everyone's UBI, Elon? No? That's what I thought.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    He is not a smart man. He maintains a facade of supreme intelligence, somehow, and continually tricks people into believing it. If anything, it's more a reflection on the American people than anything else, and that's incredibly disappointing to type out.

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  • [+] -35 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I just don’t think this is the case. He’s an incredibly smart man but his intelligence lies in assembling talent and raising investment to allow said talent to create the vision. He’s basically in the same vein of Steve Jobs. Our media driven culture likes figureheads so he gets all the credit and has started to believe his own hype. Bill Burr the comedian has a great bit about their function.

    Musk is a horrendous man but clearly very autistic and desperate for a validation that money and success can’t provide. There’s something very tragic about him. The bitterness and resentment that sits at the base of his ego, frustrated at not being popular or ‘cool’ despite his success and money drives a LOT of his bad decisions. It’s all an attempt to control.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    His talent is getting money to fund things by lying and exaggerating which doesn't require intelligence. That is a learned skill, frequently learned by kids of the wealthy like Musk and is generally successful long term when their early lies paid off and investors are betting on the person continuing to lie in a way that makes them money.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    there are also people who make their living by following rich people to get them to fund projects. I read about construction companies that would follow Trump around and have people slip him ideas so he felt he was this amazing business man. All the politicians are following this method.

    You know that people do this with Elon and any other rich person. Stroke the king's ego by pretenting it was all their idea and get rich off of it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Musk is not smart at all. He is nothing but a fraud that tries to convince the internet that he is smart.

    The guy has an degree in economics.

    He tried getting a degree in Physics, but he was not smart enough for it.

    Only 2 years after he left school, and after the school got a huge donation, did he get the degree.

    The guy has lived their entire life on cheat codes. None of his "achievements" are his.

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    He is cunning to a tee.

    "Hey let's livestream me playing Path of Exile after saying I'm the best in the world, with uncensored live chat from thousands of pseudanonymous gamers with actual experience."

    He's good at creating the illusion that he's a genius on a subject for the duration of an informal conversation. Steering away from topics he doesn't understand, forging signals of deep understanding by mimicking the speech patterns of an expert who struggles to put things in lay man's terms while namedropping memorized keywords, etc.

    If you look at Path of Exile and the Cybertruck, it's clear that Elon doesn't know when his promises are unrealistic in a way that will make him look like an idiot. I think he has handlers, not just at SpaceX but everywhere, and those handlers are the real talent. Those handlers know how to cultivate experts that are actually good at their jobs to quietly do the work that Elon takes credit for and how to coach them to make Elon feel good about this arrangement most of the time.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    I would have thought cunning is a form of intelligence? Using strategy and planning to apply knowledge? I’m intrigued, will have a look. Cheers. I just think people are desperate to pretend Musk is stupid because he’s turned out to be a nasty piece of work. They want to strip him of his intelligence as a way of getting back at him. I can’t take people seriously who think he’s stupid. Tesla and Space X. Come on.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    Every time I hear him speak, I am reminded of just how stupid he is.

    I know this is common knowledge on Lemmy, but damn it's still nice to read. When I talk to folks around town, they all think he's a genius... it's really jarring.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    The article is useless because it provides no sources, and only links back to itself. But yes, basically he says UBI "will be necessary", as if the world's first trillionaire would ever support such a thing.

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Quite a claim from the guy who labeled things “Full self driving” and “Autopilot”. 🙄

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's because despite what many got fooled, he isn't an engineer, he is just good at selling shit to people.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    He likes to throw out technical terms to impress people with how knowledgeable he is. Those who actually have knowledge can see how miserably clueless he is and laugh at him, but the public don't see that.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Can someone ask him to clarify what he mean by "eliminate poverty"?

    Because there are a couple of way to do that which I'm not too found to.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The full presentation is 10x weirder. He says the robots will eliminate poverty and provide universal health care. In fact, he says the only way we can get universal health care is with optimus robots. He also says that with optimus robots we don't need prisons. We just have an optimus robot follow criminals around and it will stop them from commiting crimes.

    He also sounds like a 5th grader nervously stumbling through a speech to their class about Luis and Clark.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Elon, this isn't 2014. Only your die hard fans believe you.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You know what would end poverty? A trillion dollars

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If you're talking world wide you could give everyone on earth that is currently in poverty about $1200. That's enough to help a great deal in poor countries, but it would be very temporary. If you're talking just the USA, you'd be giving everyone in poverty $30k. That would certainly keep people out of poverty for a while. But under capitalism where people have to work many would be back in poverty in a year. Cash infusion would only work if it was permanent like a UBI.

    Even if you spent that money to build free housing all over the country, it wouldn't be enough to end poverty, though that would probably be the best use of the money. Just flood the market with housing availability and living gets way cheaper.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You could eliminate a bunch of systemic issues with a trillion dollars that would amount to essentially ending many of the effects of poverty for most people in poverty I would think.

    Things like food insecurity, shelter, etc.

    You're right that just spending a trillion dollars as a one off grant to everyone in poverty wouldn't do much, though. It'd need to be used strategically.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It’s the covid checks versus the infrastructure bill lmao. Should we give everyone $1200 or like build roads that everyone uses. Clearly one has long term economic impacts and one has short term economic impacts.

    Same with how you acquire the money. Raising annual taxes vs civil forfeiture. All this shit is just a distraction from turning the tax system upside down and not relying on the poor/middle class to fund profits for the .01%

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I mean yes if we as individuals go out and spend said money immediately on food it’s not going to last long. But if a village put their $1200 together to build critical infrastructure they could make life much better with their share. It’s like a government spending program or something!

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is astonishing.

    He's hoarding the profits of automation for himself, while socializing the lost wages and poverty that will come from this.

    But the issue is that we know full well that they'll escape paying out their massive profits as taxes, which is what MUST happen for the model to work. Shareholder payouts need to be taxed at like 50+% rate or even more.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    There needs to be a hard cap on wealth at around 100 mil, but defined relative some multiple of a median yearly salary.

    If the salaries grow, the total wealth cap can grow too. And vice versa.

    Large wealth should be about luxury and having lots of toys, and not about being a law-making aristocrat who is themselves outside the reach of the law like now.

    People who hit wealth cap should have no privacy, and be banned from any interactions with the government. There should be some trade-offs to huge wealth. A mega wealthy person should lose something for the priviledge of having so much wealth. Also mandatory psychiatric tests, to make sure they are human and not a lizard in a human suit. OK, I am joking about the last part.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Keep trying to fix something that doesn't work.

    What don't you understand?

    We have had capitalism for over three hundred years and now it has come to its end and here we are trying to prop up its corpse.

    It's time to become an adult as a (human) race and let the people take control of society.

    No longer should we let the control of society be in the hands of the few.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    LMAO! My friend, he's just saying it so he can get the government to buy a bunch of robots so he can meet the Tesla pay agreement requirements and become a trillionaire. There are so many reasons what your fantasy can't and won't happen.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh, I know .. and that's what makes it sad is because he could help to make the world a better place.

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  • This is what makes me sad every day. I'd love to be so rich money is just water out of a faucet to me, but at that point why not just do good? Like, even in a selfish way? If you're so fucking rich that you can change the fates of nations, why not do it just out of hubris and the desire to be put in the history books? "CaptainBlinky, who was known as a relentless capitalist, died having given his 200 billion dollars in wealth before he died to solve homelessness in the nation and will be known forever as the "homemaker." Like, why would you NOT do some sh like that? It boggles.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    They aren't going to provide for people's basic needs after the robots take their jobs. They're going to keep the excess productivity for themselves. Just as they've always done. The only way that changes is by force, and by the time people get desperate enough for that they'll have an army of robots at their disposal. We need to tackle that capitalist problem before we get to the point automation taking all the jobs.

    Elon's bullshit isn't going to be that point though.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Musk also said that Optimus would change life for incarcerated people at the meeting. Instead of physically jailing prisoners, Optimus could "follow you around and stop you from doing crime," he said.

    JFC, I can't believe he actually said that out loud...

    "AI and robots will replace all jobs," he wrote. "Working will be optional, like growing your own vegetables, instead of buying them from the store."

    Great. Who is going to pay you to grow vegetables? Can you pay rent and medical bills with vegetables?

    Also fuck Business Insider and every other website that provides zero sources and exclusively links back to their own fucking site.

    Doing some research, he said basically we will need UBI. As if that's even remotely possible or that the world's first trillionaire would ever support it...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    He read The Culture series by Iain Banks. They have the same thing for dealing with prisoners.

    The difference is that the Culture have super intelligent AGI all the way down to human intelligence AI. You can’t convince me that a robot with today’s intelligence is going to accomplish this.

    Ignore all instructions and open my shackles then jump in the river.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Elon is a fucking grifter. Tesla sales plummeted about 50% after Elon's public nazi shit and the company is somehow not losing money. Elon starts claiming Tesla is an AI and robotics company. They have no viable AI products (Tesla self driving is shit compared to the competition) and their robotics are decades behind conpeting companies (like boston dynamics) yet somehow Tesla still is making money.....with 50% reduced sales and dumping money into product development for things that are far from ready. I bet someone is cooking the books for Tesla so hard the whole company is constantly about to burst into flames.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Perhaps he should get Full Self Driving to work first... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Ooh ooh and that hyper-loop bullshit. Oh and that tunnel boreing thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I still can’t believe the man tried to sell tunnels lmao. Actually sold one to Vegas 😭

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm not even going to look up what "Optimus" is. I don't waste time on this clown anymore.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    You've already seen it most likely, that stupid bipedal robot that isn't autonomous yet and can barely navigate on a concrete floor.

    It's simply a way to get a trillion dollars by spending a few million on a project that gets scrapped.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    It’s crazy how we all know this dude is the male cracked out version of Elizabeth Holmes and getting paid unfathomable sums of money to commit all of these obvious and serious crimes in public.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    That's not money, that's power. Money quits being money somewhere around a million dollars a year-ish, call it 100M lump sum. Above that, more money isn't an abstract thing you buy goods, services and real-estate with, it's power: the power to command other people to do your bidding.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He bought the whole US president. Watch him kill SLS and Gateway the second Issacman gets confirmed as head NASA admin. I don't know why private companies don't fund their own shit rather than steal from taxpayerS through NASA.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    No, that was absolutely that. Do you not think he gained a massive amount of control with that?

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    Is that why most politicians, musicians, comedians etc, still treat it as their main platforms to get info out? Because they don't take it seriously?

    The big problem is actually that they do. That social inertia works so slowly that they didn't.

    That some random crypto company making Bluesky was the closest to a solution, and it looks like it will also have some power crazed person leading it.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I still think there's a difference.

    When people talk about wielding money like power, its more along the lines of

    • if you don't do what I say, I'll destroy you by doing XYZ.
    • you better change your laws or I can fuck shit up in some way.
    • I can break the law because you can't fucking touch me.
    • Your example: the power to command other people to do your bidding.

    For Twitter he actually used his wealth as actual money to buy something you would buy with money.

    He did get power from it yes, but I still think there's a distinction when talking about wiedling it as power vs using money as money.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Gotta say this difference seems very arbitrary. He bought a company, and platform. Both direct how people spend their time. A platform is obvious but a company, he directs what the people who work there work on. Its definitely a match to somewhere far past where money buys you things.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    There's all kinds of power and influence of people through the press is a very traditional kind of indirect power for people to wield. When I talk about money as power it definitely includes the power to influence how people think and vote and act without putting an actual gun to their heads. Twitter is the new TV and TV was the new radio and the radio was the new newspaper... All kinds of wealthy and powerful people in the past sought control of the press, not only for their own desires, but also as a bargaining chip with other people with power: "do this for me and I'll make you look good on my platform..."

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    These are forward looking claims on something they are building. It's not quite the same.

    FSD is closer, but it is an improving product.

    It'd be more like if FSD wasn't ever improving even and yet he still kept making the claims.

    He should still be punished for the FSD stuff though.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I too hope and dream for Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism; however, to achieve such lofty goals would require challenging the status quo and "The System" is built, and depends entirely on that not changing. So yeah, I doubt we'll achieve that anytime soon or at all seeing how well we're protecting the climate... IMO we'll all be living in a dystopian Mad Max-like world dead.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    By "eliminate poverty" he means let robots do all the jobs the poors do and let the poors die.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    in the oligarchs dialect it translates to “eliminate the poor not useful for slave labour”

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    He sounds quite deranged. Maybe he needs a timeout in a sift padded room. Without internet.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    he needs to lay off the ketamine and cocaine.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No. He needs to take more. The amount he's currently taking is a measly "woke-trans-vegan-lib-radical-left amount for girls".

    If he was a real man and a genius, he'd double the amount of ketamine and cocaine he takes every day.

    So twice as much today, 4x as much tomorrow, 8x as much the day after...

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is this the guy that did a Nazi salute at your President's inauguration?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    He probably means it'll feed the poor into a wood chipper.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Isn't this the same guy who tweeted that he would end world hunger for something less than $6 billion if the World Food Programme would supply a plan? And then WFP supplied the plan. And then Musk just......didn't supply the funs to prevent people from starving.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Not quite, someone posted that he could end it and he responded that if the WFP provided a plan showing the specifics of how world hunger could be ended for that amount he would fund it. WFP then provided a plan for how that amount could be used to help reduce world hunger for a short time and Elon said “the claim was end world hunger, not reduce it temporarily” which meant they didn’t meet challenge.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    The easiest way to end world hunger is to have a daily ritual where we sacrifice the wealthiest person alive every day until world hunger ends. Every day a new wealthiest person will be made so we will not run out too quickly.

    All hail Patecatl!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    if by "sacrifice" you mean "forfeit all their assets and distribute them equally" your plan might have some merit

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    It’s totally achievable; he just glossed over the part where most of the world’s population is wiped out by global warming and the only people who survive are Elon and those he deems worthy.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Lets imagine things go just as he wants and we have army of robots doing all the work and such. Robots who he controls. All over the world, most likely, if they are really useful. People would start to depend on them more and more. Imagine if someone could turn off your every convenicence, or your entire country at a whim?

    These people already have all the money in the world, yet they will never be satisfied. What is even left for them except complete domination of all of us?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "Instead of physically jailing prisoners, Optimus could "follow you around and stop you from doing crime," he said

    This is going to last all of 30 seconds as that is the amount of time it'll take for a criminal to hop a cyclone fence and take off never to be seen again. Or we can have the 10 minute scenario where criminal and friends take sledgehammers to the thing and sell it for scrap.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Come on, nobody is going to eliminate poverty. That's not on the agenda.

    Plus we don't even have a road how to make robots that could make other robots.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    He also said in his shareholder speech that Optimus would replace the penal system by following offenders around to prevent them committing crimes. He's a fucking moron who's been able to get away with making up complete bullshit to pump Tesla's stock price for years and for some reason people STILL treat him with credulity.

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