TL&DR; there's a local win but it's not over yet. We need to push so that even "voluntary" surveillance is not allowed. Full post below.

The Danes will seek to propose a voluntary detection regime in the CSAM proposal, instead of controversial mandatory detection orders

The Danish Council presidency is backing away from pushing for mandatory detection orders in a legislative proposal that aims to tackle the spread of online Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM), the country’s justice minister said on Thursday.

Earlier in their presidency, Denmark had revived a controversial provision in the draft law that would mean online platforms – such as messaging apps – could be served with mandatory CSAM detection orders, including services protected by end-to-end encryption. However opposition from several other EU countries derailed any agreement in the Council.

Today, Danish Justice Minister Peter Hummelgaard told local press that the Council presidency would move away from mandatory detection orders – and instead support CSAM detections remaining voluntary.

The presidency circulated a discussion paper with EU country representatives on Thursday, aiming to gather countries’ views on the updated (softened) proposal in a bid to find a compromise, Euractiv understands.

The Danes are concerned that if no agreement is reached on the proposal even voluntary scanning will not happen once the current legal scheme that enables that runs out in April 2026.

The CSAM proposal – dubbed “chat control” by opponents – has repeatedly failed to achieve support in Council, which has spent years trying and failing to agree its negotiating mandate.

Earlier this month, Germany’s justice minister came out against the plan, with a strong-worded public statement that attacked “unjustified chat monitoring”.

The mandatory detection orders contained in the original Commission proposal have proven to be the biggest sticking point – triggering major privacy and security concerns.

Critics warn that such an approach risks opening the door to mass surveillance of European citizens, as well as pointing out that it would run counter to existing EU laws that seek to ensure data protection and the privacy of communications.

If the Danes manage to find a compromise in Council on a version of the CSAM proposal that strips out mandatory detection orders the draft law could progress towards trilogue negotiations with Parliament, finally moving on from years of deadlock.

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[–] 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Danes

As a Dane myself, assuming the entire country is pro-surveillance annoys me to no end. Just a few weeks ago there was enough signatures to send in a proposal to folketinget to stop this insanity.
It ends with:

Når Rusland indfører masseovervågning, ryster vi på hovedet og kalder det diktatur. Når EU vil gøre det samme, er det “for børnenes skyld” og forventer, at alle bare nikker.

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When Russia introduces mass surveillance, we shake our heads and call it dictatorship. When the EU wants to do the same, it is ‘for the sake of the children’ and expects everyone to just nod in agreement.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I’m an expat living in Denmark and it confused me how this was not only supported but led by the Danish presidency! From a close outsider perspective, it didn’t feel like it matched what I know of Danes, but came from politicians.

    My Danish is not very good yet so I’m not very plugged into grassroots feelings. It felt weird that this legislation would be led by a country with an overall high digital literacy and respect for private life. I assumed the rather high trust in public institutions was a significant factor, but it’s not like the people I know are blindly trusting.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    It will be back. Stay alert.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Its a way to get something through so that the next "addon" will feel less scary. Do not fall for it.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago*

    Any mechanism for spying on citizens private communication will be missused by whoever is in power. The data will be hoarded and leaked. The mechanism will be compromised and exploited by criminals and foreign powers.

    To preserve a free society, we need a right to private communication.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Don't forget the name: Peter Hummelgaard. It is the asshole that was pushing it against people's will, and now he is backing off because his ass heated. FIRE HIM, he should not be dscisive about anything because he is dangerous, if he goes against democratic country will he should not deserve for any high status, don't forget the name.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's not a full ending yet. It's a local win. But the possibility for the proposed "voluntary" surveillance is still discussed. We need to push until April 2026 to make sure this sh*t doesn't get through in any shape or form.

    I've also edited the post slightly, adding a TL&DR; on top.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What does voluntary surveillance mean in this context ?

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Good question, and I'm not fully sure. I think it may be the messengers, E2E or not. I hope it's not the hardware providers such as Samsung/Apple, because those wouldn't be trustworthy.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    @Eq0@literature.cafe

    they made it lawful a few years ago for companies to check your messages for CSAM and report it to authorities if they want to do it. it was meant as a temporary measure until they make it mandatory, and it will expire sometime next year. they want to renew it, and that's what this is about.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    You love to see it.

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    [–] 37 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Good. And now stay vigilant as this will come up again in a year when people have forgotten.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Exactly… the next 3 presidents (Cyprus, Ireland, Lithuania) all support the legislation, and the three afterward (Greece, Italy, Latvia) are undecided, but their indecision doesn’t seem to come from a moral standpoint. This puts us in 2029 before the leadership (Luxembourg then Netherlands) actually rejects broad privacy invasion on principle.

    This assessment assumes no sentiment changes on the national levels, which is of course a wrong assumption. It’s important to keep respect for private life on the minds of politicians to prevent delay another attempt. 🫩

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Skummelgaard will be back, and in greater numbers."Skummel" means creepy in Danish.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What does it even mean that they propose a voluntary system? Who would want to voluntarily let themselves be monitored? How would that be beneficial to the supposed goal of detecting CSAM?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I believe it means that it is voluntary for the service providers to implement such measures, not that users can opt-in. This means that any E2EE message service providers wouldn't be required to implement client side scanning, but that any provider not offering E2EE could still scan server side and report.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Don’t forget this guy is controlling.

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Meaning they still don't understand that it's morally disgusting to scan everyone's private communications. They're just annoyed that people care.

    Their proposal should be explicitly outlawed, privacy should be a human right.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, it happens surprisingly often.

    Even for people that aren't too knowledgeble or care about it, it's usually a good indicator if it's a "bad thing" when the ministers themselves are exempt from what is being proposed.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Right, until next time they propose it again.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    These guys should uhh take a long skiing trip to Norway, right guys?

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Don't worry, chat control will happen.

    They retry it every few years and they only need to succeed once

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    And how do you know, do you see the future? They will abandon as well if we keep pushing. Nothing is guaranteed of course - even that your country will not become a dictatorship. But you can push, and keep fighting for your rights while you have them.

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