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[–] 113 points 1 year ago (1 child)

They get health care, we don't. That's the plan. It's always been the plan.

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  • [–] 79 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    They haven’t had a health plan in more than a decade. Trump has claimed since he came down the escalator he’d be releasing his health plan in “two weeks.” The plan is repeal Obamacare. That’s the only plan.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    The Republican healthcare plan was Obamacare. That's what it was once it was clear something had going to change. The Dems let the Republicans basically gut and change whatever they wanted. The insurance industry wrote the damned thing.

    That's why there's no other plan, and they never repeal it, we already have their plan.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Do you remember what the Trump administration promised to deliver two weeks ago?

    That's why it works.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The thing is, they’re not making any promises anymore. They don’t have to. They don’t answer to anyone right now: not voters, not courts, not Congress. It’s blame Dems for the shutdown, while Trump builds a ballroom at the White House and gets gifted a crown by foreign leaders.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago

    Yep they do. The lower the income, the more billionaire deductible you will pay while not receiving care.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The plan is to let people die in the streets if they can't afford them grotesquely inflated prices of the healthcare system.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Ironically that's the opposite of what the healthcare industry wants. It costs a lot of money to die with health insurance. Lots for both you and the insurance company.

    They push preventative healthcare options all over the place and provide hundreds of dollars of incentives each year to people to do the bare minimum because it's cheaper to prevent issues from the beginning than to treat big ones when it's ignored.

    They want to pay as little as possible, but also get as much as possible out of individuals and company benefits, there's a balance they have to maintain. Single payer would actually make them more money probably, if it weren't subject to the same government spending cuts Republicans always want to do as well.

    Also, dead people often can't pay their bills. The average estate often isn't large enough for medical bills to recoup everything.

    The Republicans making these decisions however, aren't just doing what the insurance companies want though, they're grifting from everyone so it all results into a balanced evil end where no industry gets what they really want, but the consumer always gets fucked.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    Been saying this for over a decade, all through Obama’s 8 years after he passed a republican health plan they had no republican plan to replace it.

    Repeal and replace is a lie you have heard for almost a decade, why believe it now?

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    They've been trying to tell us they have this secret plan since the ACA passed in 2010. Fifteen years of swearing up and down that it's some great plan that will help everyone, maybe including poor people if they think it'll help convince anyone but definitely including insurance companies and pharmaceutical giants.

    The problem is, the ACA was already their idea. The 2006 Massachusetts law that he proposed and signed into law as governor was an early version of Obamacare, including the Individual Mandate and a penalty for businesses that didn't provide insurance to their employees. It was a stopgap measure to overhaul the system so that patients wouldn't use the ER for health care and run up huge unpaid bills when they could just pay for the care from the correct provider; but unintentionally, it also got 98% of Massachusetts residents insured.

    But by the time Romney started campaigning for president in 2012, the GOP had already started moving dramatically to the right, to the point where this lukewarm, milquetoast excuse for a solution was seen as radical. And since the GOP can't risk doing something that will reduce their voters' hardship (because paradoxically then they might stop voting for them), they are terrified of coming up with anything that might actually help.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    And the Romney plan was based on the Republican counter offer when Bill Clinton was trying to get universal health care passed. Clinton rejected it as not good enough.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Clinton rejected it as not good enough.

    And Hillary's plan was a convoluted, compromised, unworkable mess. She took universal healthcare off the table as soon as she started.

    So we got nothing from that half-assed effort, which was exactly what the predatory for-profit health-demial industry wanted. Fuck Republicans and fuck centrists.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    And he was right. Still, I wonder how things would've been different had Clinton accepted the counteroffer and tried to iterate on it afterwards. The 2004-and-beyond GOP playbook has been to keep the Republican base spiked with anxiety and fear, blame Democrats for it, and use that cortisol to bring out the vote; but if the fear and anxiety about health care had been toned down and reduced their overall fear, maybe maga would've had more trouble gaining traction.

    Or maybe it would've been successfully repealed in 2016. Who knows.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Nah, we still would have had 9/11, which is unrelated to healthcare and was the catalyst for making the endless fear mongering being ramped up to overdrive.

    Get everyone primed up on hating "Middle Easterners" genericly, normalize more.and more surveilence and errosion of rigbts in the name of protecrion, start strapping in other groups to hate as people lose interest.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Probably. I mean, I'm super interested in alternate history as a storytelling concept, but I recognize that it's probably not a super helpful thing to get caught up in unless you're actively looking for fiction. The Butterfly Effect is just too strong to be certain about anything.

    Would 9/11 have actually happened? Or is there someone who died in 1999 due to lack of healthcare access who might've been able to stop it, had the ACA come a decade earlier? If 9/11 is a "canon event" a la Spider-verse, would having a few years where the political "heat" was a bit lower first have helped us maintain that solidarity that was so brief in our actual version of history? Would history have proceeded more or less as it did in reality, but with Republicans abandoning their attempts to kill health care in the late-00s because by that point it was too established and "from the before times?" Would they have replaced those legislative attacks with something worse? (Almost certainly yes)

    I'm intrigued by the possibilities. To some extent because we can learn for the future by thinking about the past; but mostly just in a "huh, that's interesting" way.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    On the hypothetical side, I think its more likely Clinton's ACA would have pushed Gore to a decisive win, and Gore would have done something about the intel Bush was ignoring.

    Or if you want a conspiracy angle, 9/11 was an inside job that never happens under Gore.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Interesting. That's potentially a really valid point. And then, does the Gore presidency mean that there's no Obama presidency (since he campaigned on a much more moderate platform as reaction to Bush) and thus no Trump presidency?

    Hmmm.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Trump literally got elected claiming to have concepts of a plan. No doubt the rubes believe them

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    [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Finally, those Concepts of a Plan have been realized!

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    Spoiler alert… they don’t

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just like the last time Trump was in office. "Repeal and replace" "With what?" "After we repeal, we'll tell you"

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    They'll release it in two weeks.

    Or at least, that's what they started promising in 2016.

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    They do have a plan: pay or die.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Their plan is the same as it ever was. Rich people can afford the best care. Everyone else can die. This plan is not super marketable so that is why they wont make this more transparent.

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    They had none in 2017 and don't have any now.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Not having a Healthcare plan is their plan.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    "You wouldn't know my health care plan. It lives in Canada."

    Except even the Canadian system is better.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Hint: not you

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    Their plan is to take it away so that you become forever indebted to shareholders the moment you get sick. They want to milk you for every red cent they can squeeze out of your miserable existence.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Everyone the plan is quite obvious! Embrace nurgle! Once we all follow American leadership to recieve his blessing and reach peak body like the plague father we will know true happiness.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Their plan: The poor should just die already.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ooohhh I know this one!

    This must be the same as that one they had like 7 years ago that would be ready in two weeks and would be the best healthcare plan ever?

    And then crickets?

    Just in case if anyone is still in doubt: there is no healthcare plan. Not beyond "get sick and become a slave or die"

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Is it the same as what they had in 2018?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Remember when Republicans complained about the ACA for years, then got control and brought a healthcare plan to the table that was so bad John McCain famously voted it down? Then, instead of reworking it and trying again, they just gave the fuck up? Kind of like how they did with infrastructure before Biden stepped in and got that done immediately?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Die.

    That's it. That's the plan.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    their plan is what alan grayson said it was nearly 16 years ago:

    the republican healthcare plan is DON'T GET SICK. and if you do get sick DIE QUICKLY.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Still coming, in two weeks, for sure. /s

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Don't be eager. They'll tell you in about two weeks.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Because their plan is take away your healthcare plans and make you pay three times as much to get even less! And then, when it's time to need your plan, they are going to let them just drop you instead and/or delay any possible care until you die and they keep all the money you give them. Suckers!!!!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    It’s. A. Concept.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Step one, you pay us

    Step two, we shoot you in the crotch and call you a stupid poor

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    They never have told us what it is and they never will tell us what it is because their healthcare plan is for you to die in the street like the trash they see you as.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Is it death by neglect?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    shredding what we do have now is still 'a plan'

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Shut up trump totally is going to announce Epstein Affordable Care any minute now!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I'm rewatching Veep and sometimes I really don't think it's a satire

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    It’s in the binder

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    This is the same plan that Trump has been talking about for ten years, then.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I think its pretty clear by now that repuglicans lie more than your average politician

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    The plan is to lay it out there that they're going to shut down healthcare plans and wait for money to roll in from all the insurance companies to stay in business. In exchange for the money, they'll be allowed to operate anyway they see fit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    It’s to wreck America for health of GQP.

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    [–] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The reason they can't answer is because they know that even their rabid MAGA base doesn't want to hear, "if you can't afford whatever private insurance wants to charge you, get another job", which is their actual 'plan'.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Gee, where I have heard that one before?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Their plan is "go die lol"

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