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[–] 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Wolf also was spouting about how great Trump is and how "woke" shit is ruining society or whatever in January IIRC. I briefly trawled through their social media when I was investigating their keyboard, Grayjay, and Immich and promptly decided to never, ever give them money.

Note that their keyboard doesn't require network (at least as of now), so if you don't give them money or promote it to other people, they don't really benefit.

EDIT: Also, there are claims Rossman has a Kiwi Farms account and is at least somewhat active there. I haven't investigated those very thoroughly though.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Interestingly, according to one of his recent-ish comments, he left FUTO in February.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, not sure how much he's distancing himself from FUTO related things though. He brought up grayjay recently, but only specifically to talk about the devs comments on recent Texas app store legislation. Kind of a wash.

    Given he is playing politician now, I don't think he's going to make a public statement about it. Not only would it hurt his influence but it would probably stall out any ongoing negotiations regarding right to repair. Shit sucks in general.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago
    [–] 76 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    Why does every mobile keyboard developer have some controversial shit? I just want to text in peace.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The only thing I dislike of heliboard is their swipe function requires Google binaries. Most FOSS keyboards either lack some feature I use or are immersed in wild controversies.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And the implementation is nowhere as good as gboard.

    Futo's keyboard isn't much better for slide to type. I find myself switching keyboards back to gboard when I'm not using voice to text or two thumbs.

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Same, I switched over yesterday and I found it actually does all the things I was hoping for!

    Reducing keyboard size, removing suggestions bar, adjusting timing on holding for symbols or numbers, emoji key, theming, and swipe typing can be enabled (its just a file that they cannot or have chosen not to install with the app, as the rest is open source as far as I understood).

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    May I recommend Thumbkey its awesome and a bit different from other keyboards. Its concept is interesting ✨

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    It looks neat but what an absolutely stupid take from a keyboard author

    Because it trusts you to write what you meant to write.

    Butch if I didn't let it correct me I'd have to actually mook st the keyboard and who the fuck wants to do thatm.

    Phones are tiny and humans are clumsy. I absolutely never mean what I type, as you can see above.

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  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Just use Gboard and block any google telemetry

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Good luck with that on anything that has a locked boot loader or stock OS.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Just use wireguard and block all connections that aren't going over VPN. Ezpz

    Also if you're on a stock device then you're already feeding them plenty of data

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Using a VPN does absolutely nothing to protect from their apps scraping up and phoning home telemetry.

    It's still YOUR phone. It's still YOUR GPS location. It's still YOUR data connection. A VPN is not a catch-all solution to privacy.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    VPN to your box somewhere else with proper filtering.

    I figured that was obvious

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That's literally not how VPNs work nor are you aware of what you're talking about.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You literally don't know what you are talking about.

    You're like a computer novice that is only aware of commercialized VPN products thinking you know what you're talking about but unaware that the commercialized products are open source things that anyone can run, and you're only paying for the company to run them on their boxes.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    rofl you offer no evidence, only insults. Yore a pathetic joke and you're trying to make it my problem. Move along, loser.

    My comment wasn't about how open or closed VPNs are, you fucking moron. It was about how they're not a silver bullet for protecting privacy.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    They are if you control the network of the egress point which is what the first person said.

    And I don't need evidence for that. If you don't understand those words, you don't understand how the internet works.

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    [–] 90 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    They're openly disdainful of all things Open Source and OSI, and their software is not Open Source.

    They're a fully for-profit company using consumer rights kind of rhetoric to manipulate people in service to FUTO's own pocketbook. Don't fall for their use of the .org tld or promises to "never abuse customers".

    I've written many times about what assholes FUTO is. I'm fully convinced they're way more part of the problem than part of the solution and they're not to be trusted.

    They've soured me on Rossman. Back when he was doing coverage of things like the court cases around right to repair and tractors and stuff, I watched a few videos of his and thought he was awesome. And then he got involved with FUTO and started billing Grayjay as "Open Source" and I've gotten sufficiently disillusioned with FUTO that I haven't followed Rossman at all. I've got coworkers changing their avatars to Clippy and shit, and I believe their hearts are in the right place, but I can't in good conscience really get behind anything or anyone associated with FUTO.

    Edit: Oh. I honesty didn't even see this OP was a link to an article. Lol. Now I'm very interested to go read that article.

    Edit 2: Shite. I've now read the article. I knew FUTO was assholes in a lot of different ways, but now I know how deeply, completely irredeemable they really are.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    EDIT: Apparently louis left futo some number of months ago, thank you to another user for letting me know in a reply below

    This is informative, and unfortunate.

    I will be honest, I don't really expect louis will wade into this issue at all, since he seems to be very uncomfortable with any of the "political" or partisan aspects of the issues he covers.

    I can empathize with why one might be that way, but I hope I'm wrong, it would be rather disappointing.

    Maybe it's time for me to open some feature requests on the helicopter repo for futo keyboard features I'd really miss if I left it behind... It'd be good for both projects to be feature rich and competitive anyway

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    On the upside, Louis left FUTO last February

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wait, he did? I had no idea

    Is that what "fulu" has been about?

    I wish my comment included that context for all the people who saw it but I was completely unaware

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He's not uncomfortable with it - He hates the cognitive dissonance of being a capitalist and hating the results of it

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    I'm gonna be really honest, to me that feels like it strays really far into reading people's minds and headcannoning what's going on on them. But perhaps you've seen more from him than I have, and you're basing that assessment on greater familiarity.

    I do think it's worth being mindful about how much we assume we know the inner workings of random people through a screen, though.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I've always had a weird feeling about FUTO, but I thought them giving money to open source projects can't be that bad. Now I hope they don't fuck up Immich.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Luckily thanks to their licensing model they basically cannot. Immich has according to github as of now 1606 contributors. Changing the license so that there could even be a proprietary fork would require basically the ok by every contributor (that made a relevant code contribution)

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    And even if they did somehow manage to get permission to switch the license, all previous versions would still be open in perpetuity so a fork would come easily. Immich source isn't only open, and not only GPL.. but AGPL-3.0 which is as copyleft as you can get.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Maybe Louis Rossman will see this and beat FUTO back into shape? Maybe? Please? I just want one good outcome here!!

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    WHY. GODDAMN WHY is it lately that any organization behind products i like turn out to be extreme assholes? we're on a streak atm i feel like

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Son of a BITCH! I'm so fucking tired of this... Everywhere you look you gotta examine EVERYTHING about a company/group because they might be fascists now...I love Grayjay, it was working so great and I loved the proclaimed mission...I was even trying to get FCast to work since I lost casting ability when I moved to Linux...

    I'm just gonna take a break over here for a bit.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I'm with you. It's so goddamn hard not to be black pilled these days. Everyone is either greedy and looking to take you for all you are worth, a misogynist, a rapist, a fascist, or some combination of all 4 and some other horrible 5th and 6th thing that I can't think of right now. Lies and disinformation are so prevalent and there are so few consequences that it feels like nothing is what it seems.

    If you care about some random issue "A", there is an entire industry ready to take your money in exchange for the lie that your contribution or patronage is helping "A" when it's just lining someone's pockets.

    Want to make sure you can buy a thing that isn't made with child slave labor? I hope you did your research because of the 8 companies "certified" as child-slave-labor free, 3 still use child-slave-labor and just paid for certification, 3 use a supplier that uses it, 1 only uses it part time, and one is legitimately what it claims to be... oh no, wait, they were just bought out by a pro-child-slave-labor corp... I hate everything.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    FUTO is also involved with Immich 🫤

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They just bragged with v2 release how they "survived the controversial move to join FUTO" ...

    I love Immich & use it a lot :(.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    God fucking damnit. I just like the on device speech-to-text functionality. Anyone have any recs for another service that does the same thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    IIRC they all kind of suck. There's Transcribro or whatever, but I don't think it supports many languages (maybe only English?). I used to just use Google's and then revoked network access.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I found that Gboard refuses to work when internet access is not available, even though I previously had offline only voice to text.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    With the voice model already downloaded? That sucks, but honestly kind of expected with everything Google's been doing lately.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yep, it was my daily driver until one day voice to text stopped working. Restored internet access to it and lo-and-behold, voice to text is back. Tried redownooading the model, etc and had no success in getting it working with internet disabled.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Oh god dammit man.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Gross. Fuck FUTO.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    FUTO is more or less openly fascists

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I had no idea. Now I have to find a new keyboard...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    How so? I'm not doubting, I just didn't see any of that evidence in the article.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Have you read the same article?
    The founder hosted a debate with an open fascist then gave him a platform on the FUTO YouTube channel.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (11 children)

    Do words mean anything anymore? That is an argument for them being fascists. But how are they "openly" fascist? Where is their statement, where they openly state "we are fascists"?

    Because they might be, but I don't think they ever openly said so.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Yeah, because thieves go around making public statements of "we are thieves!"

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Exactly my point, and yet the commenter claims FUTO do that, even though they obviously aren't, because who would.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    But if your roommate says he isn't a thief, however he always hangs around with the local gang and continuously brings used stuff that he has no way of legally acquiring since he doesn't even have a job. I don't know man, you have to start asking questions.

    Mike is not a nazi, he just goes to the nazi bar because he likes the beer.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    says he isn't a thief

    Well that's the entire issue, isn't it? If he says he isn't a thief, then he's a thief who clearly isn't open about it. Just like Mike isn't openly a nazi, he's just a nazi who's lying about not being one.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Mike is "more or less" openly a Nazi if he frequents the nazi bar. Don't need them to outright say heil Hitler to see what crowd they promote and attract.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    By that logic the word "openly" is meaningless.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I mean, if they're entering the front door, not a hidden entry somewhere at the back, it's pretty open. Like an open secret

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'll take a look at the interviews later tonight.

    A few minor items stuck out as a bit disingenuous to me:

    The donation page that FUTO used includes this explanation: “This offer is for individuals, and may be available to small organizations on request. Commercial entities wishing to be listed as sponsors should inquire by email.” It’s pretty clear that there are special instructions for institutional donors who wish to receive musl’s endorsement as thanks for their contribution.

    It DOES say that, but literally only for the "monthly contribution > 150 section. For a one time grant of 1000 dollars, it doesn't appear to say anything.

    FUTO appears to list efforts it has donated to (and use their name/logo), under the title, "Our sponsored grant programs". Which to me seems more of a semantic argument of whether they can say they've donated to something or not.

    The inclusion of a logo without permission is a good critique, nonetheless. Likewise, if they are lying about donating to some of these projects, that is a problem.

    • The author makes a point of complaining about a video posted to odysee. There are not many great options for posting videos outside of Youtube. That FUTO would post videos to multiple other youtube alternatives, including odysee and peertube does not seem like a surprise to me. Not saying anything about the video though, until I've sat and watched.
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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    So, I'll start by saying that I think FUTO may have changed their messaging on their website TODAY Regarding this. They now have three split sections,

    1. what they develop/fund
    2. "sponsored grants" (logos used)
    3. "donations, ~60K" (logos not used)

    That seems more sensible if they have small donations to OSS efforts or individuals who maintain them. It would be excellent for every group listed to review if they or any developer received donations from FUTO and publically decry falsity (as the 3 in the article mentioned)

    Videos:

    I don't know Yarvin, don't know shit about him. But wikipedia entry on him is not heartwarming. It does seem an odd choice to have the two videos posted by FUTO. The one is fairly mundane, but the interview with Rossman is just strange as hell in general, and disconcerting. rossman mostly just seems uncomfortable as heck. And Yarvin seems like an insufferable know it all who wants to explain everything and not give anybody the chance to complete their thought.

    So I'd say endorsing this video is a dark side to FUTO. It should have been easy to stay mostly apolitical and focus on ownership and software. Not conversations about the efficacy of monarchy.

    FUTO manifesto/open source:

    I can at least palate that a group could think that open source is not working. There are successes and failures. Linux is a great success. Android is becoming less so as it is dominated more by vendors & Google. Talent, resources, time is continually sunk into would-be inferior software at companies. Those softwares that have closed source, harvest our data, and ultimately don't have our interests in mind - are often more polished, and attractive to the majority of users out there. One or two people primarily heading an open source repo can often make an awesome competitive software, but perhaps not as polished and with the threat of losing time to maintain it, archive the repo, etc. In that regard, offering optional licenses to pay base wages to attract talent while still letting you verify the code you execute - could still be appealing if successful.

    I believe in FOSS, and will embrace & use it til I die, but I'm willing to entertain they have a difference in opinion on what will most advance our interests.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Shit I really liked them. Their keyboard is incredible and Grayjay is hard to replace on desktop. But I'll get started on replacing them. Any ideas on a good keyboard that's open-source? Not anysoftkeyboard or mantis. Tried them.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Replaced their keyboard with heliboard and went back to newpipe. Sucks. Fucking fascist.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Aw man I knew there was something wrong here. I gave them money for the keyboard and the voice talk and immich bcz I was a Rossman fan. They played him and me. Fuck these fascists.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    FFS, so what's a keyboard that isn't shitty and invasive?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Great article.

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