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[โ€“] 226 points 1 year ago (22 children)

I hate paid time off. Itโ€™s one of the greatest crimes of modern life. I think Iโ€™ll campaign to have my union dismantled and my pay cut in half because the current model is clearly ripping off my employer.

Keep in mind that the guy complaining about PTO hasnโ€™t worked a day in his life.

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  • [โ€“] 38 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I actually have coworkers who were complaining about a day off, and saying "everybody's lazy, nobody wants to work anymore". Take the day off, and shut up!

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  • [โ€“] 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    How old are they? I feel like old people have nothing other than their jobs. They never had many hobbies and they never had to raise their kids.

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I find its more often they need those hours to afford to live. Sometimes due to poor life choices like owning 5 dirtbikes that don't run and buying a 6th, but often its just due to how unfair the economy is to low income families.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You mean Americans don't get paid on holidays?

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Sometimes they get paid more if they do come in, typically time and a half, so they feel like they are missing out if they don't. Sometimes is based on if they are full time or not. The same rhetoric is true for just regular weekends, my boss considers anyone who works less than 6 days a week unmotivated and lazy.

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  • [โ€“] 66 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    "Yeah, PTO is gay!" - Guy who works part-time at Dollar General.

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  • [โ€“] 32 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    FOR REAL THOUGH. Like every person I have ever heard that has complained about PTO, are people who are in positions that either don't accrue it, or accrue it so slowly that it's never usable, or make enough that they don't need to ever worry about being paid vs unpaid when they take holiday.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I work nights from home, so I hardly ever need to take PTO. Kinda nice at the end of the year though when I typically take November and December off to burn the PTO I canโ€™t carry over into the new year (limited to 40 hours).

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We used to do this at work. But it would turn out the company basically shut down after thanksgiving because so few people actually took vacation thru out the year.

    Now we are on "permissive time off" which means there is no set amount you can take or really... have to take. So in general, people just work more and are pissed off about it

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Disclaimer: USA perspective here, I know its less bullshit in many other parts of the world.

    People who don't like PTO don't like it because:

    It is implemented in a bullshit way that is often literally illegal...

    And it is implemented by idiot/cheap managers who don't have enough actual staff hours to cover anyone being sick or taking PTO.

    The bog standard norm for every kind of min wage tier job is that the manager will just unapprove your vacation that you accrued and scheduled weeks or months ago, and then oops, that also makes it so you haven't been accumulating more PTO because you hit your max and didn't use it in time.

    Or just any manager that says you can only have a sick day, vacation, or any kind of emergency if you find a replacement for your shift.

    That one is particularly amazing because... that is literally the manager's job, to do that, not yours.

    But they just gaslight you into doing their job for them, for no extrs pay, of course.

    But this kind of (again, often literally illegal) bullshit is so totally common and normalized amongst these shit ass jobs, that most workers don't even know how bullshit it is, and will rabidly attack and malign their coworkers instead of blaming their petty tyrant boss.

    These people are basically, generally correct in identifying PTO as basically bullshit in these situations, but they're too overworked and uninformed to put together that... it could be organized/executed in a not bullshit way, and it's their boss's (or corporate's) fault that it isn't.

    Shitass retail managers routinely pull this bullshit and enforce a culture of blame being on all your fellow workers, and will go out of their way to intentionally stoke interpersonal drama amongst coworkers... it is very, very rare to find a low level franchise manager or small business owner who does not do this.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, and unfortunately, like you said, that entire practice is fully illegal in the states. However, most employees are unwilling to report it and then file the evidence of why it was done. Because while there is no mandatory vacation time in the US, if you are provided It as a benefit, it must be something that you can use. And if they are regularly denying your PTO because they don't have the people to be able to cover it, then they are denying you a benefit which they are legally obligated to provide since they offered it as part of your benefits.

    The amount of times that people just decide, oh well it's only PTO. It's no biggie. I don't want to rock the boat. It's insane. Like my mom lost over 600 hours of PTO because the business closed up and she didn't fight that they needed to pay it. She doesn't put two and two together that she's overall getting paid less because she has the benefit of having that PTO. So if they were to not offer the PTO, they are just paying less.

    Your PTO, if offered, is part of your benefits package, meaning that it's part of your hourly wage calculation. So if you are given PTO and then not being allowed to use it, you are voluntarily being given a demotion.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago*

    ... and this is why non corrupt unions need to exist.

    A single person likely can't afford the legal costs or even just simply the time and headache of pursuing justice, and there is just a massive ass backward culture in the US of it being rude to discuss money and finances with basically anyone...

    Get the masses fighting with each other, distrustful of each other, so they don't rally against the real, common enemy.

    Oldest tactic in the book, divide and conquer, but you'd have to undo over a century of brainwashing that has now just become a cultural norm amongst morons who think one day they'll be able to be the asshole boss.

    Or, even just that if they acquiesce to every absurd demand and insult, they'll be seen as a reliable employee. The reality is that none of that matters, we are all just homogenous human capital to them, especially so at such unspecialized, entry level retail jobs.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Also we should bring back prima nocta for the holy job creators, and really just bring back slavery. I mean, people can't afford their own homes and such anyway, imagine how much more EFFECIENT it would be if we could cut through the red tape and get similar results.

    -Republicans, unironically^

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  • [โ€“] 381 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And then he went golfing. True story.

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  • [โ€“] 135 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    What a fucking moron along with all his voters

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's likely he doesn't actually believe it, but instead he's starting a disinformation campaign so that he can let his lackeys start to start doing some illegal shit because it will benefit him.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nah, he is just that stupid. Doesn't prevent his lackeys from using the distraction, of course, but he's just that dumb.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't mean to imply he's not stupid. You gotta be really fucking dumb to say that at all. I just think he doesn't care what he says, because the content of what he says is not important. It's more of a method of controlling the conversation.

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  • [โ€“] 119 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    "the workers don't want it"

    The fuck we don't

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  • [โ€“] 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Imagine being this guy and trying to speak for the working class

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'd love a few floating "celebrate your bullshit when you choose" days instead.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 1 year ago

    Not from US, but I'd love to see mine and other multicultural countries have a box to tick when you get a job for what set of cultural holidays you want. No change forms those who celebrate Christmas and Easter (either religiously or traditional cultural reasons), and gives other cultures a chance to enjoy their holidays.

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    [โ€“] 106 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I doubt he cares about holidays at all, but he very much cares about removing a holiday that is specifically relevant to not white people.

    I was taking with a family member yesterday and said I'd be shocked if Juneteenth is still a holiday next year.

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  • [โ€“] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I doubt he notices a holiday TBH, it's just the same as the previous day.

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  • [โ€“] 88 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    As a Dane, I have always been fucking shocked at the slave-like working conditions Americans work under. They barely get any time off as it is. What do you mean too many holidays?

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The problem is that in Germany, our Chancellor is currently on the same trip saying that 'the people don't work enough' even though most people (who have a full time job) already work about 40 hours and many woman would like to work more but can't because there are not enough daycare centres and retirement homes.

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 1 year ago

    My wife worked for Siemens-Gamesa for a long time, and German managers were always surprised how the Danes would just straight up decline meetings after 16 and leave early if they had to pick up kids.

    They didn't worry about that at all, of course, because their wives generally didn't work full time.

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  • [โ€“] 83 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We have the least mandated PTO in the developed world and a good portion of the underdeveloped world.

    Our federal holidays aren't even days off for most people. Lol

    My opinion of him can't be lower but man I keep realizing how fucking stupid his supporters are with every one of his asinine comments.

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  • [โ€“] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah I called Juneteenth getting axed over a month ago and one of my co-workers chimed in that Juneteenth was a Trump holiday. It isn't, it was signed into law by Biden his first year in office. Trump lied about it while campaigning.

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  • [โ€“] 76 points 1 year ago*

    America produces way more than enough to allow everyone to live comfortably and enjoy life. But the fruits of all that extra productivity is being hoarded by a tiny portion of the population while workers are being increasingly stretched and strained to extract as much value from then as possible while paying them as least as possible.

    The scarcity of wealth and the need to always work harder and longer hours to barely make it is an illusion maintained to exploit the workers.

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  • [โ€“] 75 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    One of the country with the least amount of paid vacation in the world. And that's the hill he decides to climb on. He excels at making himself look increasingly moronic.

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  • [โ€“] 66 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And the fact he posted this on Juneteenth is just coincidence, right?

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    [โ€“] 59 points 1 year ago

    He says on the holiday dedicated to the freeing of the slaves. Itโ€™s no coincidence this the one he complains about.

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  • [โ€“] 54 points 1 year ago

    Kind of telling to be complaining about this on a day which celebrates the end of slavery.

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  • [โ€“] 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Workers. Hate. Paid. Holidays.

    We've been saying it for years, but nobody listens. The liberal nanny state keeps forcing me to stay home, spend time with my family, or even go on vacation, when all I really want to do is stare at spreadsheets for another eight hours.

    Enough is enough!

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Before resting, I go to work tired tomorrow. After resting, I go to work angry tomorrow.

    Without tasting freedom for a day or two I would not be angry about losing it.

    Defund weekends, they are some DEI bullshit!

    /sarcasm

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago

    I know right? ALL I want is to make money and not for me but for some idiot who has control of the market and that means that if my labor is worth $200 an hours all I want is to work work work and especially for a fraction of that.

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  • [โ€“] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The workers don't want it. What workers actually want is an end to holidays, weekends, and time off in general. I mean, what good is being a "worker" if you're not working every waking minute of your life? /s

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In all fairness, Trump is just a moldy, hollowed-out Golem. Every Juneteenth, Stephen Miller shmooshes his shiny dome straight into Trump's rear end and starts flicking and vibrating his tongue across Donnie's prostate like it's a musical instrument carved from rotting cheese, inducing a flurry of nerve impulses that spread through Trump's spine and into his abnormally short, sticky sausage fingers, where they smear out the latest batch of vile racist garbage.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Like everything he says/does there is a slight truth buried deep in there.

    Some 'workers' really don't want it. They are called corporate middle management. They don't want the wage slaves to disrupt profit or crowd the spaces that they will be using because management will still take the day off.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nah, the people who don't want it are hourly workers who are living paycheck to paycheck, which is tens of millions of workers.

    The sad truth is he's right, but the reason is that for these people, missing out on $80 could be the difference between paying the water bill or not this month.

    It's not that people love to work so much that they hate missing a day, it's that they can't afford to not work a day.

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  • [โ€“] 46 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    What a piece of shit post. He's using the date to signal solidarity to his racist voters.

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  • [โ€“] 52 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    He posted it on Juneteenth, i.e. the federal holiday that commemorates the end of slavery.

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  • [โ€“] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's... I'm speechless. I tought it was idiotic when it "just" suggested that workers beg to work more. It had a brazen "abuse and ridicule working people" spin on it. But it not about economic slavery... It's about the acctuall slavery? That is... we need a word for idiotic and evil and the same time.

    Thanks for the context.

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Thought slavery is still legal in the US..

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  • [โ€“] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Chattel slavery is illegal. It's true that you can be enslaved, or at least enslaved in all but name and forced to work, as punishment for a crime. I.e. as part of your incarceration. This is per the 13th amendment.

    I'm not enough of a legal eagle to explain what would happen or what your recourse would (or would not) be if you refused, though.

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 1 year ago

    'Best' case scenario for refusing to be a prisoner slave is you would lose all "privileges".

    No yard time, probably placed into solitary. No commissary access - so things like soap and toothpaste would be withheld.

    Food is also restricted to "basics" along the lines of bread and water.

    Of course the reality is they will straight up torture you for not playing by their rules. Aka complete withholding of food and interaction and cleanliness as they either 'forget' you in solitary or just have an 'accident' with you.

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  • [โ€“] 38 points 1 year ago

    Said the guy who spends 1/3 of his time golfing

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  • [โ€“] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nah F that, most Americans barley get any paid time off if any. If anything we need MORE.

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  • [โ€“] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, it's hilarious to hear "workers want less" when what they really mean is less forced unpaid time off, obviously if they want money they'd want to work. I'm sure those people would prefer paid time off to having to work.

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  • [โ€“] 38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It would be fun to make Trump work a job for 90 days. Nothing major. Maybe answering phones for a help line.

    9 to 5 desk job.

    Monday through Friday.

    If he misses a day he has to "find a new job" and start over.

    The dude would fucking CRACK like he was being waterboarded!

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  • [โ€“] 15 points 1 year ago

    And then for evenings and weekends, he has to: do chores around the house, fix shit instead of hiring someone else to do it, pay bills, contact businesses because they billed you incorrectly and you can't afford to pay the extra hundred they're charging you, go grocery shopping, meal prep, do taxes, and all the while be a good husband, father, and person who takes care of themselves.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This should be a requirement for holding public office.

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  • [โ€“] 37 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Come for the racism, stay for the contempt of working people in general.

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  • [โ€“] 36 points 1 year ago

    King Cuck says no more holidays while golfing his presidency away.

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  • [โ€“] 33 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    life is not created for an economy

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago

    Almost!

    The economy is not made for living beings.

    Life exists, and there is no will nor force that can make it compatible with "the economy". Certainly not in all the ways that its deranged acolytes are calling for.

    But the other way around? Let's give it an honest try, shall we?

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