"To tell you honestly, I am a lot more hurt and upset by how Twitch handled it during and after the fact."

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[–] 250 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Emiru did a short stream going into additional details about the incident, as well as some other fuck-ups by Twitch staff that weren't mentioned in this article.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_USuIpVAqAw

tl;dw: Emiru calls out Twitch for lying about the situation in their official statements, expresses concern for what sort of response a smaller streamer would've gotten if they were attacked like this, and draws attention to Twitch's lack of security and professionalism. Twitch staffers originally laughed about the situation to Emiru's face, and didn't seem to care until the video went viral. They ran background checks on everybody who signed up for her meet-and-greet event, but the attendees were allowed to bring a plus-one with them, who did NOT have to get background checked. Twitch staff also allowed people to walk around even after their badges couldn't scan properly.

Also, because this isn't anywhere near the first time Emiru has been attacked in public, she points out that she's spent tens of thousands of dollars for her own private security, and wasn't even allowed to bring her preferred bodyguard with her because he's permanently banned from Twitch events due to restraining a stalker during a previous event.

Twitch fucked up big time here.

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  • [–] 169 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Also, because this isn’t anywhere near the first time Emiru has been attacked in public, she points out that she’s spent tens of thousands of dollars for her own private security, and wasn’t even allowed to bring her preferred bodyguard with her because he’s permanently banned from Twitch events due to restraining a stalker during a previous event.

    What the fuck? They banned her bodyguard for protecting her and then asked her to come back without him? It's like they wanted her to get assaulted.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    It seems like they need her at their event for credibility, but she doesn't really need them. They fucked up by not recognizing this, and now they are going to lose her drawing power at future events. And all they had to do was protect a girl from known weirdos. Nice job, dickheads.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In fairness we're taking that comment as face value without knowing what level of violence "restraining a stalker" entailed.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago

    From how she describes it in the video, he apparently held the stalker by the arm until police arrived. It doesn't seem like he roughed the guy up or injured him at all. It really seems like Twitch applied the "no touching" rule to the wrong person.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Press x for doubt

    A bit closer to he got a wee bit violent and a legal bruh ha ha ensued.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    This is the second or third version of this story that I've heard in this comment chain and I'm having trouble searching for articles about the original incident, hits from the new one are flooding the results. Do you happen to have a link to more info?

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It sounds like Twitch staff didn't handle this well and Emiru is calling them out on it. Even though they claim the individual was dealt with immediately, it sounds like it took Emiru pushing for it for anything to happen and that they pressured her to do in person meet and greets when she felt uncomfortable about them. Curious beyond that how could Twitch as an organization make things safer for streamers like her.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago*

    If by dealt with immediately you mean they let him go and just gave him a 30 day ban initially, then yes. She had to talk to her manager who then talked to Twitch who then upped that ban to a permanent one. And I don't even think the police has been involved yet.
    Amazon wanted to brush this under the carpet..
    I really miss the pre-amazon days of Twitch..

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Twitch seems like a shit company that caters to shitty people. So none of this is a surprise

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    On brand for an Amazon property.

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  • [–] 81 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    I can imagine that this type of celebrity attracts the most unhinged obsessed fans with borderline personality disorder and/or other potentially dangerous and antisocial behaviors.

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  • Certainly an environment that encourages a lot of people to just be nice to everyone in stream by default (except when someone is deemed acceptable to be yelled at and laughed at by everyone else for content...) and some people are lonely enough that they read a little too much into "HI [username]!"

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  • [+] -31 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    That's not an excuse to assault somebody

    Hold people accountable instead of blaming the victim

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Pointing out who is likely to be a fan of hers isn't "blaming the victim". It's being realistic about what she has to deal with. It shouldn't happen, but bad people exist. Can't ignore that.

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  • [+] -28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    Let's be a bit honest here, Emiru is literally a bland do-nothing person who cultivated her fan.... I mean cult in a certain way to make it easier for her to fleece money off of desperate men.

    No one's denying it is assault & at the end of the day, the person will go to jail (& he deserves it), but this was a case of their toxic manipulative behaviour backfiring on them.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What you’ve just done here is called “victim-blaming”

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I believe you skipped over the part where I said it was assault & as for victim-blaming, remember Amouranth's case where it was revealed that she staged her "abuse".

    Yeah you're too naive to be on the internet. 2 things can be right at the same time

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Acknowledging it was assault is not the same thing as not blaming the victim. People who say “she deserved to get raped” are acknowledging that a victim was raped.

    I’ve not looked into Amouranth. This thread is about Emiru. Who is not culpable - in any way - for her assault. This is not something “backfiring” on her.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    "To tell you honestly, I am a lot more hurt and upset by how Twitch handled it during and after the fact."

    Man, I hate how hard I relate to this. I'm so used to creepy guys that it often becomes part of the background noise of being in public. I remember the first time I went to a kink nightclub, I was startled by how infrequently I was randomly groped; being in such a consent aware space made me realise how many people in a regular nightclub will use the crowdedness as plausible deniability in trying to cop a feel. That stuff is honestly so prevalent that the individual instances hardly bother me anymore (though thinking about how often it happens and how powerless women are to stop it does get to me)

    However, sometimes, something happens that goes beyond this, and makes me feel genuinely unsafe and violated. Often, it's scary because it represents an escalation of harassment, such as a coworker who becomes increasingly invasive. There have been enough times where reporting harassment or an assault has gone ignored (or worse) that now when it happens, I feel desperately anxious in not knowing whether to report a thing.

    Beyond the effect of the harassment on me, I feel that it's my ethical duty to report things like this. It would obviously not be feasible to report everything that was sus, but some things cross the line and need to be reported. However, my greatest fear in reporting something is that it may reveal the organisation to be shitty. The betrayal hurts more than the harassment. Even if it's a big company like Twitch, which you wouldn't necessarily expect to be giving a fuck, there's still the desperate hope that "the system" will respond to flagrant violations of codes of conduct (and also the law). It's demoralising when those in power act like sexual harassment and sexual assault don't have laws against them. This undermines the law, and makes it as though it isn't even there.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    People that have weird sex are huge on consent.

    Like. You don't become a part of that community and stay in it without being super up front about all the implicit shit in other interactions.

    Which may also have something to do with all the neurodivergent people involved in kink .

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  • It's a big part of why I love that scene of delightful weirdos. I actually was only at that nightclub because a friend was nervous about going alone, but I enjoyed the vibe so much that I went on my own a few times after that.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm a gay man afraid of gay bars because men think they can just touch you because you're at bar drinking alcohol.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Gay bars can be super creepy. It's worse for guys, but it's also something I have experience with as a queer woman. Unwelcome groping from women happens less often for me at a gay club than by men at a straight club, but when it happens, it's way more overt.

    I wish there were more spaces for LGBTQ folk that weren't centred around drinking. I'm fortunate enough to live in a city where there are at least some venues and events of that sort, but in some places I've lived, there wasn't even a local gay bar.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    There's a huge problem with queer spaces being consolidated into 2-3 spots. Queer people live in every neighborhood making up 20-30% in my city but we have to travel 30 mins to an overcrowded bar with expensive alcohol. While there's 20-40 straight pubs on my route. While I could opt to erase my identity and it'd be easier to find affordable places to hang it's just bullshit after bullshit. My city had so many gay clubs in 90s and now we just have Club Pitt. Also after queer sports leagues my teams always wind up at bar so there's no winning

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Sorry that you, and other women, have experienced those things. I met my wife via online dating in 2015. She showed me some of the fucked up shit she had to put up with on one of the better dating sites; just in messages from dudes. Other women showed me the same or worse and it made sense why some women would reply to my messages with quick, short 'not interested' replies, likely expecting some sort of backlash from entitled dudes. I'm sure it's only gotten worse out there with these self-proclaimed incels.

    I don't know how I would ever feel safe alone as a woman (being a cis male). Every time I watch a post-apocalyptic movie or show, I just know that being a woman in that world would mean an ever-present threat of rape and abuse to the nth degree, and even more hopeless for any sort of justice or security. The fact that so many women echo this experience now, in civilized society, doesn't bode well for women in any societal collapse.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    A lot of victim blaming in these comments, which I find pretty surprising on a platform that's supposed to be crawling with leftists and socially liberal people

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    This platform is def not "leftist". Liberal for sure.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I can't even watch anything on Twitch anymore. I used to watch moonmoon, gigaboots, cohhcarnage, northern lion, etc and I just stopped months ago. It's not fun anymore. I might tune in to watch desert bus or AGDQ but that's about it and that's just for background noise when those events are happening.

    But the site, overall, just isn't the same. Maybe the content got worse or I just grew out of it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I used to occasionally watch the all MXC channel. Brings me back to 2002.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    The streamers think they're the stars and partners with the streaming company...

    But the company is always going to treat them as products with incredibly short shelf lives under even the best conditions.

    Twitch doesn't view them as real people, and knows even if they do quit or are harmed even killed, millions of barely adults would kill to take their place.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    The problem is kick, that grows up with much better revenue split while Twitch is so incompetent that they may at some point lose the first mover advantage

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Twitch has no competiton. As of 2024 they had 61% of total watch time across all live streaming platforms. It's the kind of share that other industries would kill to have. None of the other streaming markets or even VOD platforms can achieve these numbers.

    Take music streaming, Spotify only has ~32% of the market share even though they are kind of ubiquitous with music streaming at this point.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    As of 2024 they had 61% of total watch time

    Out of curiosity, how much did they have in 2019?

    Edit: Nvm, found article with some data: it was 73%... ... And in 2018 it was 75%

    https://www.gamesindustry.biz/mixer-facebook-gaming-chipped-away-at-twitch-market-share-in-2019

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don’t know where you’ve got those figures from, but according to this source, youTube has over 50% of the live streaming market, as measured in watch-hours. Then it’s TikTok, and then twitch.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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